No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
You're deffo a double agent Millwall fan, surely at some point you are gonna get bored 😂
Recent sign up, username, profile pic. Come on ffs.
I’m a genuinely not! It’s just that the ardent Millwall haters are such good fun 😂 & coming from such a big Millwall family (bar the old man) I can have fun with it!
I will get bored tho. That bit is true.
But you can’t be mean to me. I even complimented you on your vlogs a few months ago!!
I'm not being mean, I just think you're Millwall on a wind up. Gonna need to see some brief
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
You're deffo a double agent Millwall fan, surely at some point you are gonna get bored 😂
Recent sign up, username, profile pic. Come on ffs.
I’m a genuinely not! It’s just that the ardent Millwall haters are such good fun 😂 & coming from such a big Millwall family (bar the old man) I can have fun with it!
I will get bored tho. That bit is true.
But you can’t be mean to me. I even complimented you on your vlogs a few months ago!!
I'm not being mean, I just think you're Millwall on a wind up. Gonna need to see some brief
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
This is one of my favourite things about the championship. The away followings are nearly always top notch and can really add to the atmosphere.
You’re going to really miss that when you’re back in L1 for the 26/27 season.
50 quid to the Upbeats (or Millwall charity of your choice if you win) we finish above yous?
You’re on!
Actually, while we’re on this subject, does anyone have a link for the donation page for the Upbeats?. I’ve still got to pay the bet I lost last season. Can’t find a simple donation link. The last time I lost one of these bets I couldn’t find anything then either and had to end up sponsoring some random woman I found online who was doing a sponsored walk for them.
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
I think palace’s ground was within the London boundaries in their very early days when they played at Crystal Palace park but when they moved to Selhurst they was in Surrey until the boundaries changed further in 1965 as you say.
I never class them as a SE London club. Sure they’ve got an SE postcode, but that’s only because the SE postcodes have to end somewhere before the SW postcodes begin.
Just look at a map. They’re not in SE London. Sure they’re in south London (just) but not SE London. That’s why I always say Millwall v Charlton is the only genuine SE London Derby.
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
I think palace’s ground was within the London boundaries in their very early days when they played at Crystal Palace park but when they moved to Selhurst they was in Surrey until the boundaries changed further in 1965 as you say.
I never class them as a SE London club. Sure they’ve got an SE postcode, but that’s only because the SE postcodes have to end somewhere before the SW postcodes begin.
Just look at a map. They’re not in SE London. Sure they’re in south London (just) but not SE London. That’s why I always say Millwall v Charlton is the only genuine SE London Derby.
When they played at Crystal Palace Park, they were actually playing in Kent.
So, just like their colours and nickname, they cannot decide if they are a Kent, Surrey, Greater London or proper South London and proud club.
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
I think palace’s ground was within the London boundaries in their very early days when they played at Crystal Palace park but when they moved to Selhurst they was in Surrey until the boundaries changed further in 1965 as you say.
I never class them as a SE London club. Sure they’ve got an SE postcode, but that’s only because the SE postcodes have to end somewhere before the SW postcodes begin.
Just look at a map. They’re not in SE London. Sure they’re in south London (just) but not SE London. That’s why I always say Millwall v Charlton is the only genuine SE London Derby.
When they played at Crystal Palace Park, they were actually playing in Kent.
So, just like their colours and nickname, they cannot decide if they are a Kent, Surrey, Greater London or proper South London and proud club.
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
I think palace’s ground was within the London boundaries in their very early days when they played at Crystal Palace park but when they moved to Selhurst they was in Surrey until the boundaries changed further in 1965 as you say.
I never class them as a SE London club. Sure they’ve got an SE postcode, but that’s only because the SE postcodes have to end somewhere before the SW postcodes begin.
Just look at a map. They’re not in SE London. Sure they’re in south London (just) but not SE London. That’s why I always say Millwall v Charlton is the only genuine SE London Derby.
When they played at Crystal Palace Park, they were actually playing in Kent.
So, just like their colours and nickname, they cannot decide if they are a Kent, Surrey, Greater London or proper South London and proud club.
No. But four league wins at The Den & seven at The Valley in 124 years of league football suggests it’s a pretty powerful one.
We've only been playing league football for 103 years and plenty of them have been in the top flight and the scum have been nowhere to be seen
Ah yeah, typo. In 74 seasons of SE London derbies then.
We’ve only had 37 seasons in the same league as the displaced team from north of the river
Good spot! And how we have missed them!!
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
Anyways, both clubs swapped positions across the Thames and so never got to play the fixture as a SE London derby. The closest they came was in a 1909 FA Cup tie, which Millwall won. Millwall crossing the river in 1910. Arsenal in 1913.
Now, I do not count Crystal Palace as a proper SE London club. And certainly not before 1965, as they literally were not.
So the first SE London derby wasn’t until 1921. Which I am sure you know. And I am sure you also know Charlton actually won it, in front of 25,000 at The Den. They also won the return at The Valley in front of 18,000. Remarkable to think that 20% of Charlton league derby wins came in one season & the first ever season the derby was contested!
I think palace’s ground was within the London boundaries in their very early days when they played at Crystal Palace park but when they moved to Selhurst they was in Surrey until the boundaries changed further in 1965 as you say.
I never class them as a SE London club. Sure they’ve got an SE postcode, but that’s only because the SE postcodes have to end somewhere before the SW postcodes begin.
Just look at a map. They’re not in SE London. Sure they’re in south London (just) but not SE London. That’s why I always say Millwall v Charlton is the only genuine SE London Derby.
When they played at Crystal Palace Park, they were actually playing in Kent.
So, just like their colours and nickname, they cannot decide if they are a Kent, Surrey, Greater London or proper South London and proud club.
Having not been to the Valley for thirteen years (where does the time go?) I'm looking forward to making a long overdue return to watch a game or two. The games against Sheff Wed and QPR appeal most because I can bring down close friends who support them, and I'd like quite like to be there when the circus comes to town again. Need to see which games fall when in the season first though.
Packed out Covered end and Jimmy Seed stand and average crowds of 20k 🤞🏻
The sense that we are back as a 2nd tier club and it's where we belong despite the bookmakers making Cafc favourites for the drop, so every draw is a gained point and not two points dropped as was the case in the mediocre League 1.
That our wealthy American owners who looked enthusiastic at Wembley with the hugging of Nathan, Lloyd, Macca, Doch etc back Jones and Chapple with incoming players who they feel are capable of improving the team so we are nearer to mid table 14th than 24th.
It's a totally different mind set for CAFC fans in the Championship and every win will be massive and will help towards our goal of being a Championship team at the end of the 25/26 season.
The end of CAFC fans saying "Pub League" and "Shit League" and when they say"good time to be alive" they actually mean it.
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If you ain't fair enough 😂
Interestingly (putting my football history geek hat on), the original SE London club Woolwich Arsenal had a strong (but friendly) rivalry with Millwall in the 1880s and 1890s. The games attracted big crowds, especially at Millwall’s Athletic Ground, prompting both to turn professional & set up the Southern League. Arsenal stabbed Millwall in the back, however, by accepting the Football League place offered to Millwall. The FL was trying to stop the Southern League rivalling their competition before it even got started.
The sense that we are back as a 2nd tier club and it's where we belong despite the bookmakers making Cafc favourites for the drop, so every draw is a gained point and not two points dropped as was the case in the mediocre League 1.
That our wealthy American owners who looked enthusiastic at Wembley with the hugging of Nathan, Lloyd, Macca, Doch etc back Jones and Chapple with incoming players who they feel are capable of improving the team so we are nearer to mid table 14th than 24th.
It's a totally different mind set for CAFC fans in the Championship and every win will be massive and will help towards our goal of being a Championship team at the end of the 25/26 season.
The end of CAFC fans saying "Pub League" and "Shit League" and when they say"good time to be alive" they actually mean it.
Happy days 😀
And not these ones…
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Nooo.
I'm still trying to grow my eyebrows back after the semi-final after being just a few rows back 🤨