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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,536
    edited June 26
    cantersaddick said:
    Some of us are important enough to have a place in the governments top secret fallout shelter. Unfortunately, due to HS2 there is a shortage of concrete so its not due to be finished until 2079. 
    Would you really prefer to be locked up in a fall out shelter for the rest of your life with a bunch of duff MP's who helped cause the fu*kin' problem in the first place...🤦‍♂️
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    Oggy Red said:
    Gribbo said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    If there is a nuclear wipeout, you can guarantee we will be 4-0 up away at Millwall with 5 minutes to go when it happens.
    What a way to go though 
    What, and be denied bragging rights over the Scum for the first time in more than 30 years....? 
    Plenty of time in Valhalla
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,127
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    Have you looked around Camden Market, there’s a great selection there. 
    You could probably replace them all up there although some will be quite pricy these days
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Gribbo said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Gribbo said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    If there is a nuclear wipeout, you can guarantee we will be 4-0 up away at Millwall with 5 minutes to go when it happens.
    What a way to go though 
    What, and be denied bragging rights over the Scum for the first time in more than 30 years....? 
    Plenty of time in Valhalla
    And we'll beat Millwall again when we play them at The Valhalla


  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,884
    And of the world is 13th September or 24th jan
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
    Lots of disgraceful MOD shenanigans historically. My dad was in the Royal Navy as a young man. He died aged 66 from Mesothelioma. A disease more commonly known as asbestosis. He was exposed to the asbestos while serving on board various ships over his service. The pipes and parts of the ships were lagged with it as a fire retardant. The ships were full of the dust from it. Had he been exposed in a factory or in any industry my mum could have sued and claimed significant compensation for his death. Not as a sailor though. You can’t sue The Crown. As a widow she gets a small top up on her state pension. Still makes me mad now after 25 years.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
    Lots of disgraceful MOD shenanigans historically. My dad was in the Royal Navy as a young man. He died aged 66 from Mesothelioma. A disease more commonly known as asbestosis. He was exposed to the asbestos while serving on board various ships over his service. The pipes and parts of the ships were lagged with it as a fire retardant. The ships were full of the dust from it. Had he been exposed in a factory or in any industry my mum could have sued and claimed significant compensation for his death. Not as a sailor though. You can’t sue The Crown. As a widow she gets a small top up on her state pension. Still makes me mad now after 25 years.
    A lot of the gaskets we made and replaced were asbestos based, plus we used to manufacture our own ferobestos strips for the missile hoists. Lots of people on ticking time bombs.
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  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,725
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    saw newsnight special the other day where they had veterans from those atomic tests. there was three, two who were there and one who was the son who was there on Christmas island. they have over a hundred different cancers between them. the MOD wont give them the time of day. they ask for their own medical reports and have been fobbed off. They are going to court but it can take years and a lot of the survivors are reaching or into their 90s. the MOD will be using tax payers money to defend itself. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
    Lots of disgraceful MOD shenanigans historically. My dad was in the Royal Navy as a young man. He died aged 66 from Mesothelioma. A disease more commonly known as asbestosis. He was exposed to the asbestos while serving on board various ships over his service. The pipes and parts of the ships were lagged with it as a fire retardant. The ships were full of the dust from it. Had he been exposed in a factory or in any industry my mum could have sued and claimed significant compensation for his death. Not as a sailor though. You can’t sue The Crown. As a widow she gets a small top up on her state pension. Still makes me mad now after 25 years.
    A lot of the gaskets we made and replaced were asbestos based, plus we used to manufacture our own ferobestos strips for the missile hoists. Lots of people on ticking time bombs.
    As some of you know I worked in cancer care in a number of hospitals over the years but significantly for this I worked at Kent Cancer Centre at Maidstone Hospital. The highest incidence of Mesothelioma (asbestosis) in the country was seen in Kent. This was a direct consequence of Chatham Dockyard which was a refit base for many RN vessels. The fitters, engineers and many other professions were exposed to asbestos and I agree it’s still a ticking time bomb for many of those employed there. I think it’ll reach its peak about now. Mesothelioma is a horrible disease that turns your diaphragm to concrete. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,010
    DaveMehmet said:
    golfaddick said:
    Well it ain't going to happen so you can carry on about your day. Read on another forum someone was going to blow everything, max out their credit cards & have a final swansong. Advice there was to not be so stupid, otherwise in 6 months time the bailiffs would he knocking on your door & you'd be up shit creek. 

    As the mug & t-shirt say.... ..keep calm & carry on. 
    Bollocks, I’ve just shagged Jenny from accounts as I thought the end was imminent. I’m going to have trouble explaining this to the wife. 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwu08Sc2vA&ab_channel=TheKillers-Topic
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    DaveMehmet said:
    golfaddick said:
    Well it ain't going to happen so you can carry on about your day. Read on another forum someone was going to blow everything, max out their credit cards & have a final swansong. Advice there was to not be so stupid, otherwise in 6 months time the bailiffs would he knocking on your door & you'd be up shit creek. 

    As the mug & t-shirt say.... ..keep calm & carry on. 
    Bollocks, I’ve just shagged Jenny from accounts as I thought the end was imminent. I’m going to have trouble explaining this to the wife. 
    At least it ain't Rachel from accounts, who's shagged majority of us......


    😉
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,169
    Covered End said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    golfaddick said:
    Well it ain't going to happen so you can carry on about your day. Read on another forum someone was going to blow everything, max out their credit cards & have a final swansong. Advice there was to not be so stupid, otherwise in 6 months time the bailiffs would he knocking on your door & you'd be up shit creek. 

    As the mug & t-shirt say.... ..keep calm & carry on. 
    Bollocks, I’ve just shagged Jenny from accounts as I thought the end was imminent. I’m going to have trouble explaining this to the wife. 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwu08Sc2vA&ab_channel=TheKillers-Topic

  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,127
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
    Wow. There’s a twisted leap and a half. 
    Probably trying to get this thread closed as well you freak….
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,536
    edited June 28
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Covered End said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    golfaddick said:
    Well it ain't going to happen so you can carry on about your day. Read on another forum someone was going to blow everything, max out their credit cards & have a final swansong. Advice there was to not be so stupid, otherwise in 6 months time the bailiffs would he knocking on your door & you'd be up shit creek. 

    As the mug & t-shirt say.... ..keep calm & carry on. 
    Bollocks, I’ve just shagged Jenny from accounts as I thought the end was imminent. I’m going to have trouble explaining this to the wife. 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwu08Sc2vA&ab_channel=TheKillers-Topic

    Bless you!...
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,367
    edited June 28
    One of my favourite films and books. Nevil Shutes On the Beach. Set in Australia post nuclear war. They all die in the end. 

    I believe the threat of nuclear war was greater than now growing up in the 60’s and 70’s. It never bothered me as a kid and not now as I approach retirement. I now I believe it’s only a matter of time before some freak decides to chance his arm. 
    If we were targeted it would likely kill us all very quickly hopefully, except for the great and the stupid. They will shuffle out of their shelters and die a few months later. 
    The living will envy the dead, as someone once said. 
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
    Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

    I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

    Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent
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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    Fumbluff said:
    Chippycafc said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 
    Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.
    Wow. There’s a twisted leap and a half. 
    Probably trying to get this thread closed as well you freak….
    OMG
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,909
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
    Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

    I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

    Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent
    Where do you draw the line though mate ? Times were different then. In the 70’s and 80’s I worked in Woolwich Arsenal and it was openly recognised that some of the chemicals used in some of the explosives were very carcinogenic and to be fair they did give us suits etc to wear but many didn’t bother I often wonder how many people have departed early
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,625
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
    Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

    I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

    Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent
    Interesting development so thanks for the link. As I previously posted my dad died of an industrial disease (mesothelioma) when he was exposed to asbestos dust while serving in the RN. My mum wasn’t able to sue the RN as you can’t sue the Crown. Perhaps this persons claim is because he was a civilian worker. As I said interesting.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    edited June 28
    AndyG said:
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
    Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

    I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

    Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent
    Where do you draw the line though mate ? Times were different then. In the 70’s and 80’s I worked in Woolwich Arsenal and it was openly recognised that some of the chemicals used in some of the explosives were very carcinogenic and to be fair they did give us suits etc to wear but many didn’t bother I often wonder how many people have departed early
    You draw the line for taking responsibility for due care for your employees. The HASAW act (1974) was around then. Many companies including the MOD failed to follow recommendations in that act. principally due to the cost.

    Many and i agree short cut the provision of PPE and approved processes, but that doesn't stop the employer being accountable for their actions.

    We recently had a case here where a guy lost 50% of his compensation where something hit him on his head falling from a gantry. He wasn't wearing a hard hat in a mandatory hard hat area., lucky to be alive, as it glanced from his head.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,743
    charltonkeston said:
    One of my favourite films and books. Nevil Shutes On the Beach. Set in Australia post nuclear war. They all die in the end. 

    The book that inspired Dancing With Tears in My Eyes - by Ultravox (I think). 
  • jose
    jose Posts: 624
    If a person or country is in a suicidal frame of mind, or feels they have their back against the wall, then they will use nuclear weapons if they have them.
    Mutually assured destruction doesn’t matter in that instance.
    I don’t believe there is such a thing as a battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon, maybe somebody can point to the situation where they certainly exist.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,860
    jose said:
    If a person or country is in a suicidal frame of mind, or feels they have their back against the wall, then they will use nuclear weapons if they have them.
    Mutually assured destruction doesn’t matter in that instance.
    I don’t believe there is such a thing as a battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon, maybe somebody can point to the situation where they certainly exist.
    Google “battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon”.
  • jose
    jose Posts: 624
    SporadicAddick said:
    jose said:
    If a person or country is in a suicidal frame of mind, or feels they have their back against the wall, then they will use nuclear weapons if they have them.
    Mutually assured destruction doesn’t matter in that instance.
    I don’t believe there is such a thing as a battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon, maybe somebody can point to the situation where they certainly exist.
    Google “battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon”.
    Yeah I did that.
    According to the internet the UK has them.
    What I read said this:

    ‘Trident is designed to be a deterrent weapon of last resort. The UK maintains a single submarine at sea at all times, which carries about 40 warheads, each with the destructive power of about six times the 15-kiloton (kt) Hiroshima bomb. The weapons are only to be used in the highly unlikely scenario where a surprise, all-out nuclear attack destroys the UK and its way of life. In theory, the weapons on a Trident submarine have the destructive power to destroy major cities such as Moscow or Beijing, and so act as a deterrent.’

    I found this article from ‘Scientific American’

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/limited-tactical-nuclear-weapons-would-be-catastrophic/

    Essentially it seems to be about degrees of destructive power.
    I reads like enough to destroy the planet, up to enough to destroy the planet hundreds of times over.

    One part of the argument seems to be that if people think they can use nuclear weapons in a ‘limited’ way, then there will be more temptation to use them.






  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,027
    SuedeAdidas said:
    charltonkeston said:
    One of my favourite films and books. Nevil Shutes On the Beach. Set in Australia post nuclear war. They all die in the end. 

    The book that inspired Dancing With Tears in My Eyes - by Ultravox (I think). 
    Good knowledge!
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,150
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

    I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

    There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 
    Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

    I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

    Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent
    Interesting development so thanks for the link. As I previously posted my dad died of an industrial disease (mesothelioma) when he was exposed to asbestos dust while serving in the RN. My mum wasn’t able to sue the RN as you can’t sue the Crown. Perhaps this persons claim is because he was a civilian worker. As I said interesting.
    He was a fitter just like me and was a civil servant. he went from a being a fun guy to work with to being very moody over a few months. Then someone said get yourself checked out, then they discovered he had leukaemia. 

    He worked in the reactor compartment of the sub. When they removed the reactor it used to go away (to sellafield I think for re-processing) and it used to sit outside out rest cabin for days on a special adapted railway carrier. We used to duck round it as it was quicker to do that than go round it. The stainless steel cooling pipes used to just sit on the dockside before removal. We often queried this but they used to say its fine as it hadn't been in contact with the core...mmm.

    As you know where i work, we used to have whole body monitoring on a yearly basis that measured your yearly and lifetime dose, they have stopped doing it now, as they reckon they have other means of checking your exposure based on other equipment you use when visiting certain area's. A backward step in my view.
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