I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
Four of the new teams in the Championship this season facing off against each other, that's not "luck of the draw"!!
Same in League One with Luton vs Wimbledon... Its a common theme over previous seasons as well
The probability of there being at least one match on the opening day of fixtures in a 24-team league is a promoted team v a relegated team is 51.5%. In other words, it would be more likely to happen than not.
However, it's not completely random. Certain fixtures are restricted from being on the opening day of the season, e.g. local derbies. So, when there are derbies excluded from the possible opening fixtures, that 51.5% is increased, slightly.
Why can’t local derbies be on the opening day?
They can. It's an example of some certain fixtures that the requirements of the police are taken into account.
Then I don’t get it in this context.
Why would the police say no to a derby that happens to be on the opening day of the season to make your maths work?
What real world constraints exist with local derbies beyond perhaps adjusting the kick off time?
Again I’m challenging in the context of your analysis on likelihood of certain matches cropping up.
If it's totally random, then the chances of one or more relegated v promoted matches on the first weekend of the season is 51.5%. Therefore it's more likely than not.
However, it's not totally random. There are outside influences that dictate some matches, for example local derbies, don't take place at certain times of year, for example, when there's a higher proportion of police on leave.
So, in the case of Charlton, if there police place this restriction on the EFL (and I don't know whether they have), then there Charlton have three relegated clubs they could play on the first weekend of the season or eighteen others. If there were no such restriction, the numbers would be three and twenty.
So, in answer to both your questions, the Met might want to avoid derbies when there is a higher proportion of police on leave.
I would be very surprised if that is a real constraint and an active dictat to prohibit a derby in early August.
The one I could see is anything across late August bank holiday with the Notting Hill Carnival. That is a huge met police no no for leave requests.
I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
Four of the new teams in the Championship this season facing off against each other, that's not "luck of the draw"!!
Same in League One with Luton vs Wimbledon... Its a common theme over previous seasons as well
The probability of there being at least one match on the opening day of fixtures in a 24-team league is a promoted team v a relegated team is 51.5%. In other words, it would be more likely to happen than not.
However, it's not completely random. Certain fixtures are restricted from being on the opening day of the season, e.g. local derbies. So, when there are derbies excluded from the possible opening fixtures, that 51.5% is increased, slightly.
Why can’t local derbies be on the opening day?
They can. It's an example of some certain fixtures that the requirements of the police are taken into account.
Then I don’t get it in this context.
Why would the police say no to a derby that happens to be on the opening day of the season to make your maths work?
What real world constraints exist with local derbies beyond perhaps adjusting the kick off time?
Again I’m challenging in the context of your analysis on likelihood of certain matches cropping up.
If it's totally random, then the chances of one or more relegated v promoted matches on the first weekend of the season is 51.5%. Therefore it's more likely than not.
However, it's not totally random. There are outside influences that dictate some matches, for example local derbies, don't take place at certain times of year, for example, when there's a higher proportion of police on leave.
So, in the case of Charlton, if there police place this restriction on the EFL (and I don't know whether they have), then there Charlton have three relegated clubs they could play on the first weekend of the season or eighteen others. If there were no such restriction, the numbers would be three and twenty.
So, in answer to both your questions, the Met might want to avoid derbies when there is a higher proportion of police on leave.
I would be very surprised if that is a real constraint and an active dictat to prohibit a derby in early August.
The one I could see is anything across late August bank holiday with the Notting Hill Carnival. That is a huge met police no no for leave requests.
So that’s new information to me. First I’ve ever heard of it. The key bit being:
The opening day is considered a key date – along with Boxing Day, New Year's Day and the final day. We try to avoid local fixtures on these dates to allow clubs to minimise costs. Doing so helps to keep the profile of the fixture down, so the police categorisation, and therefore cost, is relatively low. Clubs prefer to avoid local derbies on key dates because they will be well attended regardless of when they are played.
I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
So to try and prove a point you pick the one fixture that shows me wrong and ignore the fact both Wrexham and Birmingham are playing teams relegated this season, and Luton are playing AFC Wimbledon in League 1? Ok
The one fixture?
In League One, you picked the one out of 3 yourself. Cardiff and Plymouth aren’t playing promoted teams.
A good example is that I'm sure it's not just a coincidence we play Pompey at home on 6th Dec, and has been the nearest game to 5th Dec in previous seasons too.
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The opening day is considered a key date – along with Boxing Day, New Year's Day and the final day. We try to avoid local fixtures on these dates to allow clubs to minimise costs. Doing so helps to keep the profile of the fixture down, so the police categorisation, and therefore cost, is relatively low. Clubs prefer to avoid local derbies on key dates because they will be well attended regardless of when they are played.
So every day is a school day it seems.
The one fixture?
In League One, you picked the one out of 3 yourself. Cardiff and Plymouth aren’t playing promoted teams.
To be frank, you’re talking bollox.