Woolwich Ferry Roundabout

swords_alive

OhMyGodden said:

iainment said:

TelMc32 said:

iainment said:

I’m a resident of the borough and I’m very happy that cycling is being taken seriously by the council.

Is it taking it seriously? 18 months to put in 2.5km of cycleway? Losing parts of bus lanes along the route, forcing them to share one lane with all other traffic? Perhaps if they actually got on with the Greenwich Masterplan, they could have included a cycle way that didn’t interrupt one of the main South East London traffic arteries. As it is, all they are doing is clogging it up for everyone.

Any roadworks cause interruptions, I cycle from Plumstead up to Shoreditch via Woolwich and Charlton at least 3 times a week the sections without cycle lanes are dangerous for cyclists. Having cycle lanes will encourage more people to cycle which means fewer cars on the road and consequently freer flowing traffic.
Win win I think.

Or will encourage more red light jumping and trying to knock pedestrians down at zebra crossings

One such death in 7 years according to a report of some sort i heard on the radio last night*, versus several hundred fatalities for cars going through red lights. Hard to argue against cycling these days, unless you're in favour of cars for some reason or a climate change denier. Sure it could be implemented better but Woolwich is exactly the kind of area that needs these improvements.  

*(This was in response to an alarmist article in the Telegraph where a reporter claimed to have witnessed 170ish(?) red light breaches by cyclists in central London during 'field research'. Contrary to popular interpretations against cyclists the 'research' could be used to support the view that cyclists should be given a priority for safe moving off when lights are red, e.g. left turn when no traffic).    

sam3110

Most of the wazzock cyclists in Charlton and Greenwich don't use the existing cycle lane and choose to cycle down the road anyway, so it's all a bit of a waste of time

TelMc32

iainment said:

TelMc32 said:

iainment said:

I’m a resident of the borough and I’m very happy that cycling is being taken seriously by the council.

Is it taking it seriously? 18 months to put in 2.5km of cycleway? Losing parts of bus lanes along the route, forcing them to share one lane with all other traffic? Perhaps if they actually got on with the Greenwich Masterplan, they could have included a cycle way that didn’t interrupt one of the main South East London traffic arteries. As it is, all they are doing is clogging it up for everyone.

Any roadworks cause interruptions, I cycle from Plumstead up to Shoreditch via Woolwich and Charlton at least 3 times a week the sections without cycle lanes are dangerous for cyclists. Having cycle lanes will encourage more people to cycle which means fewer cars on the road and consequently freer flowing traffic.
Win win I think.

Not if you have boroughs like Greenwich making a complete balls up of it, switching cycle lanes from one side of the main A road to the other, ridiculously dangerous bus stop islands for example. Regardless, additional cyclists will be a drop in the ocean and will have a negligible effect in reducing car volumes…what will do that, is boroughs making a mess of their road networks and seeing cars as cash cows if they want to actually park anywhere. 

Diebythesword

Isn’t this going to give a segregated cycle lane from Woolwich to Tower Hill? If so happy days. 

arthur

Crusty54 said:

arthur said:

cafckev said:

We already struggle to make progress in our Ambulance when on blue lights between Charlton and the Woolwich flyover because of the single lane in each direction because the buses stopping on the road.
I bet the 20 or so bikes that will use those cycle lanes will be very happy though, so that’s ok.
I may have to try to get a Road tax rebate at this rate because we are losing Road space at pace. Maybe it’s time to make cyclists pay to use the roads seen as though they are getting more and more tarmac now days.

The far west end of the road is a mess but the new bit will be fine and isn't reducing the number of car and bus lanes so will work much better. The car lanes will be a bit narrower but there is plenty of space for that.

It may be in jest, but, suggesting cyclist pay "road" tax is a daft argument. Apart from road tax doesn't actually exist.... It's unenforceable even if it was introduced and would cost more to run the system than it would raise. Traffic problems in London are down too many cars. As for your point on road space... LOL!

The centre island is being removed to allow for the cycle lanes. The remaining road width will be reduced.

And the road is plenty wide enough to accommodate this.