Woolwich Ferry Roundabout
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One such death in 7 years according to a report of some sort i heard on the radio last night*, versus several hundred fatalities for cars going through red lights. Hard to argue against cycling these days, unless you're in favour of cars for some reason or a climate change denier. Sure it could be implemented better but Woolwich is exactly the kind of area that needs these improvements.OhMyGodden said:
Or will encourage more red light jumping and trying to knock pedestrians down at zebra crossingsiainment said:
Any roadworks cause interruptions, I cycle from Plumstead up to Shoreditch via Woolwich and Charlton at least 3 times a week the sections without cycle lanes are dangerous for cyclists. Having cycle lanes will encourage more people to cycle which means fewer cars on the road and consequently freer flowing traffic.TelMc32 said:
Is it taking it seriously? 18 months to put in 2.5km of cycleway? Losing parts of bus lanes along the route, forcing them to share one lane with all other traffic? Perhaps if they actually got on with the Greenwich Masterplan, they could have included a cycle way that didn’t interrupt one of the main South East London traffic arteries. As it is, all they are doing is clogging it up for everyone.iainment said:I’m a resident of the borough and I’m very happy that cycling is being taken seriously by the council.
Win win I think.
*(This was in response to an alarmist article in the Telegraph where a reporter claimed to have witnessed 170ish(?) red light breaches by cyclists in central London during 'field research'. Contrary to popular interpretations against cyclists the 'research' could be used to support the view that cyclists should be given a priority for safe moving off when lights are red, e.g. left turn when no traffic).1 -
Most of the wazzock cyclists in Charlton and Greenwich don't use the existing cycle lane and choose to cycle down the road anyway, so it's all a bit of a waste of time0
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Not if you have boroughs like Greenwich making a complete balls up of it, switching cycle lanes from one side of the main A road to the other, ridiculously dangerous bus stop islands for example. Regardless, additional cyclists will be a drop in the ocean and will have a negligible effect in reducing car volumes…what will do that, is boroughs making a mess of their road networks and seeing cars as cash cows if they want to actually park anywhere.iainment said:
Any roadworks cause interruptions, I cycle from Plumstead up to Shoreditch via Woolwich and Charlton at least 3 times a week the sections without cycle lanes are dangerous for cyclists. Having cycle lanes will encourage more people to cycle which means fewer cars on the road and consequently freer flowing traffic.TelMc32 said:
Is it taking it seriously? 18 months to put in 2.5km of cycleway? Losing parts of bus lanes along the route, forcing them to share one lane with all other traffic? Perhaps if they actually got on with the Greenwich Masterplan, they could have included a cycle way that didn’t interrupt one of the main South East London traffic arteries. As it is, all they are doing is clogging it up for everyone.iainment said:I’m a resident of the borough and I’m very happy that cycling is being taken seriously by the council.
Win win I think.2 -
Isn’t this going to give a segregated cycle lane from Woolwich to Tower Hill? If so happy days.
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And the road is plenty wide enough to accommodate this.Crusty54 said:
The centre island is being removed to allow for the cycle lanes. The remaining road width will be reduced.arthur said:
The far west end of the road is a mess but the new bit will be fine and isn't reducing the number of car and bus lanes so will work much better. The car lanes will be a bit narrower but there is plenty of space for that.cafckev said:We already struggle to make progress in our Ambulance when on blue lights between Charlton and the Woolwich flyover because of the single lane in each direction because the buses stopping on the road.
I bet the 20 or so bikes that will use those cycle lanes will be very happy though, so that’s ok.
I may have to try to get a Road tax rebate at this rate because we are losing Road space at pace. Maybe it’s time to make cyclists pay to use the roads seen as though they are getting more and more tarmac now days.
It may be in jest, but, suggesting cyclist pay "road" tax is a daft argument. Apart from road tax doesn't actually exist.... It's unenforceable even if it was introduced and would cost more to run the system than it would raise. Traffic problems in London are down too many cars. As for your point on road space... LOL!0 -
People cycle, people drive, people walk. All have, probably, the same proportion of idiots.OhMyGodden said:
Or will encourage more red light jumping and trying to knock pedestrians down at zebra crossingsiainment said:
Any roadworks cause interruptions, I cycle from Plumstead up to Shoreditch via Woolwich and Charlton at least 3 times a week the sections without cycle lanes are dangerous for cyclists. Having cycle lanes will encourage more people to cycle which means fewer cars on the road and consequently freer flowing traffic.TelMc32 said:
Is it taking it seriously? 18 months to put in 2.5km of cycleway? Losing parts of bus lanes along the route, forcing them to share one lane with all other traffic? Perhaps if they actually got on with the Greenwich Masterplan, they could have included a cycle way that didn’t interrupt one of the main South East London traffic arteries. As it is, all they are doing is clogging it up for everyone.iainment said:I’m a resident of the borough and I’m very happy that cycling is being taken seriously by the council.
Win win I think.Have you never seen a motor vehicle driver be stupid?2 -
A reminder for people driving, bus passengers & pedestrians going to the game tomorrow & for the next 18 months, these works will cause delays & disruptions to the journey to/from the Valley.
At the moment Bus Stop E Charlton Station / Woolwich Road is closed & will be until the 25th October.
This will affect Woolwich bound buses on the 161,177,180 & 472 routes & the 486 bus route on diversion before/after the game.
@AFKABartram Maybe the title of this thread could be altered to Woolwich Ferry Roundabout to Charlton Church Lane roadworks.
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or Traffic Issues around The Valley.0
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Yes and mentioned in the Swan thread.. there are temp traffic lights in the Village near the Bugle. The traffic was backed up to Cemetery lane during rush hour this morning.1
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Don’t forget cyclists to get your two wheels out when it is pissing with rain, windy and the temperature is around zero. Approx three months per year when the lanes are almost empty.
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You’re quite right, apart from a bit of rain the winter months are my favourite months for cycle commuting. Fewer cyclists makes it more pleasant.R0TW said:Don’t forget cyclists to get your two wheels out when it is pissing with rain, windy and the temperature is around zero. Approx three months per year when the lanes are almost empty.0 -
More temp traffic lights on Woolwich Road, gas main emergency repair just outside Rose of Denmark, more closed bus stops either side of the road, highly unlikely it will get fixed overnight, mess.2
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Can you keep us updated from your bar stool mate. CheersRock Spectacle said:More temp traffic lights on Woolwich Road, gas main emergency repair just outside Rose of Denmark, more closed bus stops either side of the road, highly unlikely it will get fixed overnight, mess.
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It’s a fucking 💩 storm. Unbelievable.2
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The following changes will take place from Saturday 25 October 2025.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 161 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 177 widening the frequency of the service to every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 180 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
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Always remember one of the boats was called the Ernest Bevan1
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What’s the definition of ‘temporary’ in this instance I wonder? ☹️😉clive said:The following changes will take place from Saturday 25 October 2025.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 161 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 177 widening the frequency of the service to every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 180 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
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"widening the frequency" 🤣2
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Potentially until the works are complete in 2027.valleynick66 said:
What’s the definition of ‘temporary’ in this instance I wonder? ☹️😉clive said:The following changes will take place from Saturday 25 October 2025.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 161 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 177 widening the frequency of the service to every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 180 widening the frequency of the service to every 11-12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays. No change during the evenings or on Sundays. This timetable will be in place until works on Woolwich Road are complete.
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What the fuck does widening the frequency mean? They make it sound like a good thing, but it's less buses per hour, correct?
So in the past few years in this part of London they've reduced the speed limit to a blanket 20mph, reduced train frequencies, made trains shorter, cut train routes, diverted bus routes, cut bus frequencies, dug up a bunch of roads to build barely used cycle lanes, refused to build a second entrance at Woolwich Crossrail, tried to add a blanket CPZ across the whole borough and built a honking great new tunnel really close to the existing one and charged us for the privilege. At what point do they turn around and tell everyone in SE London they'd rather we all fuck off out of the area?1 -
Try asking the mayors side kick Will Norman. He is the brains behind all of these around London.sam3110 said:What the fuck does widening the frequency mean? They make it sound like a good thing, but it's less buses per hour, correct?
So in the past few years in this part of London they've reduced the speed limit to a blanket 20mph, reduced train frequencies, made trains shorter, cut train routes, diverted bus routes, cut bus frequencies, dug up a bunch of roads to build barely used cycle lanes, refused to build a second entrance at Woolwich Crossrail, tried to add a blanket CPZ across the whole borough and built a honking great new tunnel really close to the existing one and charged us for the privilege. At what point do they turn around and tell everyone in SE London they'd rather we all fuck off out of the area?0
