Would VAR have ruled out Carey's winner against WBA?
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No. Deflection goes to the keepers left while TC (?) is moving out to the right to get out the way. TC has no influence on the goal at all2
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Don’t care!!😜10
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This exact question is why I wouldn't be as happy getting promoted to the prem as I should be!9
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Might the VAR have decided that TC was in direct line of sight of the goalkeeper when the ball was played and therefore effecting influence?fenaddick said:No. Deflection goes to the keepers left while TC (?) is moving out to the right to get out the way. TC has no influence on the goal at all
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Not bothered really...mores the point "What is TC doing standing there in the first place??0
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Then good we do not have the VAR nonsense in the Championship, one of the things I would not look forward to if we are ever promoted to the Prem.2
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exactly - how am I meant to enjoy our 4th goal at Arsenal, knowing there could be a 2 minute review of the goal to comemsomerton said:Then good we do not have the VAR nonsense in the Championship, one of the things I would not look forward to if we are ever promoted to the Prem.6 -
No, there’s a defender in exactly the same eye lineChizz said:
Might the VAR have decided that TC was in direct line of sight of the goalkeeper when the ball was played and therefore effecting influence?fenaddick said:No. Deflection goes to the keepers left while TC (?) is moving out to the right to get out the way. TC has no influence on the goal at all1 -
You can never be sure but I think what beat the keeper was the deflection.1
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Possibly but football is art not science and VAR the antithesis in that respect.0
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that would be too sensible. VAR rules this out 9 times of 10 methinks.fenaddick said:No. Deflection goes to the keepers left while TC (?) is moving out to the right to get out the way. TC has no influence on the goal at all1 -
Easy to say that now, but it'll be a problem for us to deal with this time next yearSword65pf said:Don’t care!!😜
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So, you dont really want to get to the Prem coz of VAR?...sigh.Kinsella87 said:This exact question is why I wouldn't be as happy getting promoted to the prem as I should be!2 -
I think looking at that, that it probably would've......but who cares1
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No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this0
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100% they would'veTodds_right_hook said:No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this2 -
They check every goalTodds_right_hook said:No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this3 -
Just to justify their very existence...fenaddick said:
They check every goalTodds_right_hook said:No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this1 -
He’s not impacting the keeper’s ability to make a save so no.3
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The WBA player that cleared the rebound from Doc’s pen encroached so perhaps VAR would want it retaken .. swings and roundabouts9
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I've seen suggestions on this site that the player who cleared the ball after Doc's missed penalty may have been encroaching, so maybe it would have been retaken.3
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Putting the keeper off.eastterrace6168 said:Not bothered really...mores the point "What is TC doing standing there in the first place??2 -
Or, to answer Chizz’s question as Chizz would
Good question — this is an area of the Laws of the Game that often causes confusion, especially in cases of potential offside or interference with the goalkeeper’s ability to make a save.
Here’s a breakdown of the relevant law and how it’s applied in practice:
⚖️ Relevant Law
Law 11 – Offside (IFAB Laws of the Game)
The key clause states that a player in an offside position is penalized only if, at the moment the ball is played or touched by a teammate, they are involved in active play by:
- Interfering with play,
- Interfering with an opponent, or
- Gaining an advantage from their position.
The “interfering with an opponent” section includes “clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision” — this is the part that directly applies to blocking a goalkeeper’s view.
🧤 What Counts as Obstruction of the Goalkeeper
A player is considered to be interfering with an opponent (the goalkeeper) if they:
- Are in an offside position (i.e., nearer to the goal line than both the ball and the second-last defender when the ball is played); and
- Block or significantly distract the goalkeeper’s view or movement toward the ball.
If both conditions are met, even if the offside player doesn’t touch the ball, the goal is disallowed for offside.
For example:
- If a player is standing directly in front of the goalkeeper when a shot comes in and the keeper cannot see it until too late → offside, goal disallowed.
- If a player in an offside position is near the goalkeeper but does not block their view or movement → no infringement, goal stands.
🚫 Not to Be Confused With:
- Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct (Obstruction/Impeding the Progress of an Opponent):
This law covers physical obstruction or impeding movement without contact, e.g., a player deliberately standing in front of the keeper to prevent them from jumping or moving. That’s an indirect free kick, not offside.
But this rarely applies inside the penalty area unless the interference is clear and deliberate — most cases involving a blocked view are handled under Law 11 (offside).
🧠 Practical Application
Referees and VAR look for:
- Line of sight: Could the goalkeeper clearly see the ball?
- Positioning: Is the player in an offside position when the shot was taken?
- Movement: Did the offside player attempt to play the ball or make a movement that distracted the keeper?
If the answer to those is yes → the player is offside by interference.
If not → goal stands.
Would you like me to include a few real-world examples (e.g., Premier League or Champions League decisions) where this specific rule was applied for context?
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Watching on the highlights, he was in the box as doc strikes the ball.killerandflash said:I've seen suggestions on this site that the player who cleared the ball after Doc's missed penalty may have been encroaching, so maybe it would have been retaken.0 -
As Carey said, if you don’t shoot you don’t score.
All that needs to be said really.0 -
It’s really that simple isn’t it yet it’s astonishing how many players just don’t ever pull the trigger.jose said:As Carey said, if you don’t shoot you don’t score.
All that needs to be said really.2 -
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Based on the rule break down above the goal stands.
Perhaps more telling was the reaction of the WBA players, not a hint of protest, indeed the keeper who might have had the most to say was still on the turf crying his eyes out when the game was just about to restart.
I think we can be sure that if they thought it was off side the ref and the linesman would have heard all about it2 -
How very dare you! There's no way I would have spelled it "penalized"!Callumcafc said:Or, to answer Chizz’s question as Chizz wouldGood question — this is an area of the Laws of the Game that often causes confusion, especially in cases of potential offside or interference with the goalkeeper’s ability to make a save.
Here’s a breakdown of the relevant law and how it’s applied in practice:
⚖️ Relevant Law
Law 11 – Offside (IFAB Laws of the Game)
The key clause states that a player in an offside position is penalized only if, at the moment the ball is played or touched by a teammate, they are involved in active play by:
- Interfering with play,
- Interfering with an opponent, or
- Gaining an advantage from their position.
The “interfering with an opponent” section includes “clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision” — this is the part that directly applies to blocking a goalkeeper’s view.
🧤 What Counts as Obstruction of the Goalkeeper
A player is considered to be interfering with an opponent (the goalkeeper) if they:
- Are in an offside position (i.e., nearer to the goal line than both the ball and the second-last defender when the ball is played); and
- Block or significantly distract the goalkeeper’s view or movement toward the ball.
If both conditions are met, even if the offside player doesn’t touch the ball, the goal is disallowed for offside.
For example:
- If a player is standing directly in front of the goalkeeper when a shot comes in and the keeper cannot see it until too late → offside, goal disallowed.
- If a player in an offside position is near the goalkeeper but does not block their view or movement → no infringement, goal stands.
🚫 Not to Be Confused With:
- Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct (Obstruction/Impeding the Progress of an Opponent):
This law covers physical obstruction or impeding movement without contact, e.g., a player deliberately standing in front of the keeper to prevent them from jumping or moving. That’s an indirect free kick, not offside.
But this rarely applies inside the penalty area unless the interference is clear and deliberate — most cases involving a blocked view are handled under Law 11 (offside).
🧠 Practical Application
Referees and VAR look for:
- Line of sight: Could the goalkeeper clearly see the ball?
- Positioning: Is the player in an offside position when the shot was taken?
- Movement: Did the offside player attempt to play the ball or make a movement that distracted the keeper?
If the answer to those is yes → the player is offside by interference.
If not → goal stands.
Would you like me to include a few real-world examples (e.g., Premier League or Champions League decisions) where this specific rule was applied for context?
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