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Winter-January 2026 Transfer Window Rumours ...(Final Day p213)
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We literally built a promotion winning squad? Can’t see how that isn’t viewed as anything but a huge successBigDiddy said:
I think we will need massive changes whether we stay in this division or not. For me the real question is whether NJ will stay the course and how the owners might react to the inevitable fallout that will happen if we do get relegated.thenewbie said:
I think the trap is believing that what they did this time will be what they always intend to do, which is not necessarily the case. By all accounts, their aim for this season was survival, no more and no less. We can quibble about the way they've gone about it but SO FAR its working - we've not actually been in the relegation spots once. Its not entertaining or much fun but they've spent enough and got the results they wanted until this point.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Now the question then becomes if/when we do stay up what do they do next. If we assume that they are happy to just tread water indefinitely then you're right that history suggests that isn't sustainable forever. But it's also possible that once they've secured survival the next step is starting to build and spend accordingly to become an established Championship team long term.
The Wrexham and Birmingham model is throwing obscene money around to chase Premier League payouts as soon as possible - and if it works then they do very well out of it. But if they don't, it could go badly wrong pretty quickly.
I think last summer’s transfer window was not that great, so how will the owners look at more investment given a few of our expensive signings have not worked out yet. Buying old timers from Luton has not entirely worked out either.
This window was OK, but as i have said all along, the midfield is weak with no real creativity or pace.
Will they trust NJ with another £10m + in the summer ?
I have no interest in the stupidity of other clubs, but can we stay and thrive in the Championship with NJ in charge?
I am 50:50 on that question, but it would be good to hear what others think.
Jones has had huge influence on recruitment, which has got us to where we are now. Can obviously see with Sichenje that Chapple is starting to have more influence now which will only improve things and widen our scope. It’s not been perfect and we’ve made mistakes, but if our recruitment was really bad we wouldn’t have gone from 18th in the league 1 to 18th in the championship
The only 7 figure fee that’s been a total disaster is Ahadme. For the rest it’s way too early to judge properly. The club see these players as assets, yes Apter and Olaofe haven’t worked out for us this season, but if they do well between now and the summer then we will probably recoup a good amount of that investment, particularly if Bolton and/or Stockport get promoted and want to keep them.Kelman and Knibbs I still think can become good players for us, and then you have Carey. Carey is now on 7 goals for the season, if you can get him scoring 10+ consistently at this level the he will probably be worth enough to pay for nearly all of our outlay on the others. We took a gamble on a few league 1 players in the hope that maybe 2 or 3 of them would come off
As fans we view the signings as a success if they do well for us. For the owners it will be about the balance sheet, from the Apter, Olaofe, Knibbs, Kelman and Carey league 1 gambles I still think there’s a good chance we end up in profit from that spending or at least breaking even13 -
Think we are hoping we can get by for the rest of the season by continuing to bypass midfield and then sort it in the summer. To be fair getting a top class CM in January is always gonna be tough. But 100% needs resolving in the summer.J BLOCK said:We have the worst central midfield in the league.11 -
The "load of bollocks" is literally your words, quotedBraziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
I'm merely pointing out how you sound in your original post. The fact you now have to elaborate quite a lot on your point shows that it's pretty ambiguous at best, and can be interpreted in many ways.
Not arguing with you, you literally asked someone who said that, and pointed out how your post comes across as saying that8 -
Cannot warm to Rodwell, feels like a slimy characterfenaddick said:Do think it's interesting that two January's in a row we've failed on a last minute deal for a player at Sunderland. To me that reeks of Jim Rodwell asking his contacts for a last minute deal10 -
We also need to remember that the 3 clubs promoted from League One next time will not have the spending power of Wrexham and Birmingham.elbiglad said:
I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻7 -
Looking at this window and the summer window as a whole I think loosing out in Galbraith will be the biggest what if.He had the potential to really elevate this team more than any single player we’ve been linked with.16
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Problem is a player that good is always going to have an established championship team in for them. If we stay up, we will then actually be able to sign those players as we won’t be seen as a high risk of relegation teamAberystwythAddick said:Looking at this window and the summer window as a whole I think loosing out in Galbraith will be the biggest what if.He had the potential to really elevate this team more than any single player we’ve been linked with.2 -
Millwall? Sensible and slow can definitely get us there, if it’s done correctly.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻3 -
I was sorry to see Apter go but all in all our Winter Window has been a success, with the caveat that the signings of Clarke, Chambers and Coady (the 3Cs) are all loans, as is Fevrier. Chambers is obviously here for a work out before possibly graduating to the Liverpool first team squad, Clarke and Coady unfortunately could well be recalled by Ipswich and Wrexham if they are consistently good for us
In the meantime, let's hope that the 3Cs have a great few months with us, and help to drive us up the table0 -
Jones recently signed a five year contract. I think that’s evidence enough that our owners have confidence that Jones is the correct man for their plan to progress the club over that period. Even a relegation in my opinion, would not result in the manager losing his job. After years of unbelievably disastrous owners we can confidently say that our current owners are careful and measured in their approach. I think many of us, myself included got a bit carried away with the club spending £10 million in the summer. It seemed like a very good amount of money because we’d been starved of any sort of real expenditure for years. The reality is that £10 million in this league was really peanuts and allowed us only to get in a squad that NJ thought could compete. Sadly I think our strategy of securing league one’s better players has appeared to have been mostly unsuccessful and there’s a lesson there if nothing else. I’m sure this has not gone unnoticed by Jones himself.BigDiddy said:
I think we will need massive changes whether we stay in this division or not. For me the real question is whether NJ will stay the course and how the owners might react to the inevitable fallout that will happen if we do get relegated.thenewbie said:
I think the trap is believing that what they did this time will be what they always intend to do, which is not necessarily the case. By all accounts, their aim for this season was survival, no more and no less. We can quibble about the way they've gone about it but SO FAR its working - we've not actually been in the relegation spots once. Its not entertaining or much fun but they've spent enough and got the results they wanted until this point.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Now the question then becomes if/when we do stay up what do they do next. If we assume that they are happy to just tread water indefinitely then you're right that history suggests that isn't sustainable forever. But it's also possible that once they've secured survival the next step is starting to build and spend accordingly to become an established Championship team long term.
The Wrexham and Birmingham model is throwing obscene money around to chase Premier League payouts as soon as possible - and if it works then they do very well out of it. But if they don't, it could go badly wrong pretty quickly.
I think last summer’s transfer window was not that great, so how will the owners look at more investment given a few of our expensive signings have not worked out yet. Buying old timers from Luton has not entirely worked out either.
This window was OK, but as i have said all along, the midfield is weak with no real creativity or pace.
Will they trust NJ with another £10m + in the summer ?
I have no interest in the stupidity of other clubs, but can we stay and thrive in the Championship with NJ in charge?
I am 50:50 on that question, but it would be good to hear what others think.This window has brought in loans that the club think patches up the squad enough to get us over the line and retain our Championship status. The club have said that Sichenje was not in this years plan but one for next year. Perhaps we were concerned that other clubs throughout Europe might have started to show real interest. I’m assuming, no hoping that we’re still a Championship club next season and it will be very interesting to see how our transfer strategy changes as a result of the lessons learned this season. I’m much happier that Phil Chapple is now fully on board with recruitment and I’m expecting to see a few more overseas players hit SE7 for next season. For now it’s shoulders to the wheel for all of us to get to the magic safety number of points. We need to make The Valley a real hostile place for teams to visit because I get the feeling that the 12th man might be as important as the other 11.20 -
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He's just speaking facts mate. Just the way it is apparently.elbiglad said:
Your words: it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. My comment: I don't think aiming for sustainability means a lack of ambition.Braziliance said:
Choosing to interpret the post as you want it.elbiglad said:
I don't understand how being a well run sustainable football club - and hopefully with that, stability at a level above where we have played for the majority of the last decade - equates to a lack of ambition?Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
I have said on and off here many times "I am happy to be a Championship side for the next 20-30 years" and I am being serious, as I don't expect us to ever strike gold like the likes of Wolves, Wrexham, Birmingham, Ipswich and have ridiculous transfer windows like them.
The problem is, I just don't think we will based on our wages offered etc. We have done the absolute bare minimum to be a competitive Championship side, it just hasn't blown me away, that's my view, can't be swayed otherwise. 👍🏻
Anyway I won't reply anymore on this subject, fingers crossed it's enough and I will be celebrating in a few months time.
Everyone has their own view and the point of this forum is to give people a chance to voice those views. At some point you have to consider that maybe you aren't putting your message across in the way you intend it if a lot of people are misinterpreting it.
If you don't agree you're either putting words in his mouth or you don't understand how it is.8 -
Looks like we missed out on 3 targets .. two the clubs changed their minds on letting the players leave the other was a permanent one Cadamarteri I believe was our main target .. we wanted a number 10 whether we pulled the plug on the Sunderland cause we felt we had the players already like Fuller Berry or Kelman that could play that role …time will tellossie64 said:Jones admitted we needed midfield upgrades then delivered none. Now, for the rest of the season we have little or no pace from where we are desperately slow. Yes, the squad overall looks 'stronger' but have to admit feel a little disappointed
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Millwall, Coventry, Derby, Bristol City, Luton, Sunderland, Sheff Utd…Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
All of these teams were in League One in the recent past and none of them spent beyond their means immediately upon promotion and yet they’ve all built something very competitive while within the frameworks that it’s apparent Charlton want to use.
I think getting promoted alongside Birmingham and Wrexham and seeing them spend £5m, £10m, £15m at a time may have warped perception on what is required for newly promoted sides.27 -
And that is the big problem with loans....95% of the time they go back to their parent club and we have to look again in the summer. Which leads to the usual churn of players that we have been accustomed to over the past 10 years.Lincsaddick said:I was sorry to see Apter go but all in all our Winter Window has been a success, with the caveat that the signings of Clarke, Chambers and Coady (the 3Cs) are all loans, as is Fevrier. Chambers is obviously here for a work out before possibly graduating to the Liverpool first team squad, Clarke and Coady unfortunately could well be recalled by Ipswich and Wrexham if they are consistently good for us
In the meantime, let's hope that the 3Cs have a great few months with us, and help to drive us up the table
So in the summer, just for the basics, we need a RWB, a LWB (maybe just for cover but you never know how Edwards will get over his injury) and a couple of Midfielders. Then there will be the inevitable sale / release of a few strikers (Ahadme, Tanto and a replacement for Dykes) as well as the sale of Gillesphey & Alex Mitchell
Thats roughly half a dozen before you start on upgrading the players we already have that have played the majority of matches this season.7 -
The Scandinavians certainly served us well under Curbs.ShootersHillGuru said:
Jones recently signed a five year contract. I think that’s evidence enough that our owners have confidence that Jones is the correct man for their plan to progress the club over that period. Even a relegation in my opinion, would not result in the manager losing his job. After years of unbelievably disastrous owners we can confidently say that our current owners are careful and measured in their approach. I think many of us, myself included got a bit carried away with the club spending £10 million in the summer. It seemed like a very good amount of money because we’d been starved of any sort of real expenditure for years. The reality is that £10 million in this league was really peanuts and allowed us only to get in a squad that NJ thought could compete. Sadly I think our strategy of securing league one’s better players has appeared to have been mostly unsuccessful and there’s a lesson there if nothing else. I’m sure this has not gone unnoticed by Jones himself.BigDiddy said:
I think we will need massive changes whether we stay in this division or not. For me the real question is whether NJ will stay the course and how the owners might react to the inevitable fallout that will happen if we do get relegated.thenewbie said:
I think the trap is believing that what they did this time will be what they always intend to do, which is not necessarily the case. By all accounts, their aim for this season was survival, no more and no less. We can quibble about the way they've gone about it but SO FAR its working - we've not actually been in the relegation spots once. Its not entertaining or much fun but they've spent enough and got the results they wanted until this point.Braziliance said:
What a load of bollocks 😂sam3110 said:Braziliance said:
Who said that?NabySarr said:
I think that’s a big overreaction. The club’s policy seems to be spend in the summer and then just look at temporary fixes in January. That is a good policyBraziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
They spent more than nearly all of us expected in the summer, no reason to suggest they won’t be backing us properly as we head into this summer. Don’t know the exact number but they must have spent around £12m on players this season now, really think it’s a bit mad to be wanting them out for not spending enough in our first season back at this level. We literally can’t spend much more than that, even if we had different owners
"One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently."
This very much insinuates that you want new owners, who are willing to spend loads of money to "take us to the next level"
Putting words in my message. I am putting my thoughts out there. I am not demanding they spend, I am not asking for them out. I am just pointing out the obvious that when you compare them to the likes of Ipswich, Wrexham, Birmingham, etc, it's clearly about sustainability, rather than ambition. Which is fine, but at some point you will drop below the line, the data backs it up.
Some of you on here could walk into an empty room and start an argument, I swear to Christ 😂
Final thoughts, very mediocre window, but that doesn't surprise me, let's hope it's enough 👍🏻
Now the question then becomes if/when we do stay up what do they do next. If we assume that they are happy to just tread water indefinitely then you're right that history suggests that isn't sustainable forever. But it's also possible that once they've secured survival the next step is starting to build and spend accordingly to become an established Championship team long term.
The Wrexham and Birmingham model is throwing obscene money around to chase Premier League payouts as soon as possible - and if it works then they do very well out of it. But if they don't, it could go badly wrong pretty quickly.
I think last summer’s transfer window was not that great, so how will the owners look at more investment given a few of our expensive signings have not worked out yet. Buying old timers from Luton has not entirely worked out either.
This window was OK, but as i have said all along, the midfield is weak with no real creativity or pace.
Will they trust NJ with another £10m + in the summer ?
I have no interest in the stupidity of other clubs, but can we stay and thrive in the Championship with NJ in charge?
I am 50:50 on that question, but it would be good to hear what others think.This window has brought in loans that the club think patches up the squad enough to get us over the line and retain our Championship status. The club have said that Sichenje was not in this years plan but one for next year. Perhaps we were concerned that other clubs throughout Europe might have started to show real interest. I’m assuming, no hoping that we’re still a Championship club next season and it will be very interesting to see how our transfer strategy changes as a result of the lessons learned this season. I’m much happier that Phil Chapple is now fully on board with recruitment and I’m expecting to see a few more overseas players hit SE7 for next season. For now it’s shoulders to the wheel for all of us to get to the magic safety number of points. We need to make The Valley a real hostile place for teams to visit because I get the feeling that the 12th man might be as important as the other 11.1 -
I do see the point but I'm not overly put out in this particular instance as the use of loans is only to "get over the line" in terms of staying up and then we can reassess. Outside of maybe Chambers there's a good chance we can permanently sign most of the others if they impress enough.golfaddick said:
And that is the big problem with loans....95% of the time they go back to their parent club and we have to look again in the summer. Which leads to the usual churn of players that we have been accustomed to over the past 10 years.Lincsaddick said:I was sorry to see Apter go but all in all our Winter Window has been a success, with the caveat that the signings of Clarke, Chambers and Coady (the 3Cs) are all loans, as is Fevrier. Chambers is obviously here for a work out before possibly graduating to the Liverpool first team squad, Clarke and Coady unfortunately could well be recalled by Ipswich and Wrexham if they are consistently good for us
In the meantime, let's hope that the 3Cs have a great few months with us, and help to drive us up the table
So in the summer, just for the basics, we need a RWB, a LWB (maybe just for cover but you never know how Edwards will get over his injury) and a couple of Midfielders. Then there will be the inevitable sale / release of a few strikers (Ahadme, Tanto and a replacement for Dykes) as well as the sale of Gillesphey & Alex Mitchell
Thats roughly half a dozen before you start on upgrading the players we already have that have played the majority of matches this season.
We'd have to be constantly upgrading/improving anyway so while loans aren't ideal I see them as something of a necessary evil in the circumstances.8 -
Well quiet, until we 'establish' ourselves at this level I am happy for us to do whatever necessary to get to that point.thenewbie said:
I do see the point but I'm not overly put out in this particular instance as the use of loans is only to "get over the line" in terms of staying up and then we can reassess. Outside of maybe Chambers there's a good chance we can permanently sign most of the others if they impress enough.golfaddick said:
And that is the big problem with loans....95% of the time they go back to their parent club and we have to look again in the summer. Which leads to the usual churn of players that we have been accustomed to over the past 10 years.Lincsaddick said:I was sorry to see Apter go but all in all our Winter Window has been a success, with the caveat that the signings of Clarke, Chambers and Coady (the 3Cs) are all loans, as is Fevrier. Chambers is obviously here for a work out before possibly graduating to the Liverpool first team squad, Clarke and Coady unfortunately could well be recalled by Ipswich and Wrexham if they are consistently good for us
In the meantime, let's hope that the 3Cs have a great few months with us, and help to drive us up the table
So in the summer, just for the basics, we need a RWB, a LWB (maybe just for cover but you never know how Edwards will get over his injury) and a couple of Midfielders. Then there will be the inevitable sale / release of a few strikers (Ahadme, Tanto and a replacement for Dykes) as well as the sale of Gillesphey & Alex Mitchell
Thats roughly half a dozen before you start on upgrading the players we already have that have played the majority of matches this season.
We'd have to be constantly upgrading/improving anyway so while loans aren't ideal I see them as something of a necessary evil in the circumstances.1 -
It's the nature of modern football sadly that there is a lot more player churn, unless you can stay in a "decent" division for a length of time. The likes of Millwall and Boro have been in the Championship for a while, so have a good core of experienced players they can try and improve on, whereas most clubs are either desperately trying to improve, or desperately trying to cut their wage bill.golfaddick said:
And that is the big problem with loans....95% of the time they go back to their parent club and we have to look again in the summer. Which leads to the usual churn of players that we have been accustomed to over the past 10 years.Lincsaddick said:I was sorry to see Apter go but all in all our Winter Window has been a success, with the caveat that the signings of Clarke, Chambers and Coady (the 3Cs) are all loans, as is Fevrier. Chambers is obviously here for a work out before possibly graduating to the Liverpool first team squad, Clarke and Coady unfortunately could well be recalled by Ipswich and Wrexham if they are consistently good for us
In the meantime, let's hope that the 3Cs have a great few months with us, and help to drive us up the table
So in the summer, just for the basics, we need a RWB, a LWB (maybe just for cover but you never know how Edwards will get over his injury) and a couple of Midfielders. Then there will be the inevitable sale / release of a few strikers (Ahadme, Tanto and a replacement for Dykes) as well as the sale of Gillesphey & Alex Mitchell
Thats roughly half a dozen before you start on upgrading the players we already have that have played the majority of matches this season.
In an ideal world you want to build slowly and steadily with your own players, but it rarely works that way. Especially if several of your signings flop.0 -
The whole of this post is absolute tosh but I’m going to pick up on one thing here:RonnieMoore said:
Looks like we missed out on 3 targets .. two the clubs changed their minds on letting the players leave the other was a permanent one Cadamarteri I believe was our main target .. we wanted a number 10 whether we pulled the plug on the Sunderland cause we felt we had the players already like Fuller Berry or Kelman that could play that role …time will tellossie64 said:Jones admitted we needed midfield upgrades then delivered none. Now, for the rest of the season we have little or no pace from where we are desperately slow. Yes, the squad overall looks 'stronger' but have to admit feel a little disappointed
When has Kelman ever been an attacking midfield-player in the number ten role?
Your tactics would make Guy Luzon seem like Pep Guardiola!9 -
Especially poor that our "flagship" signing is now 4th choice striker. Yes he'll get minutes, but you don't spend 1/3 of your transfer budget on a squad player.Nicholas said:
To be fair to the owners would you let him spend much more money this season. Not exactly spent it wisely. Granted it's not a huge amount of money in todays terms but it's more then we have spent in years.Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
If we stay up and they pump in that sort of money each year (obviously wages will have to go up a bit each year) I think we can build into a pretty decent team as long as the money is spent on players that are actually going to play and improve us.
Apter 2.3m never got a chance
Knibbs 2.1m never got much of a chance
Tanto 1.75 never got a chance
Kelman 3.5 not really proved it yet and now down the pecking order
Costello 870k not been given a chance
Kaminski 1.1 only one who has played all the time.
I never entirely understood why we were so keen on him, as we don't play like Orient did last season. And you can't even blame personal "settling in" issues as it was a cross London move.1 -
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I don't think he's set in stone as 4th choice.killerandflash said:
Especially poor that our "flagship" signing is now 4th choice striker. Yes he'll get minutes, but you don't spend 1/3 of your transfer budget on a squad player.Nicholas said:
To be fair to the owners would you let him spend much more money this season. Not exactly spent it wisely. Granted it's not a huge amount of money in todays terms but it's more then we have spent in years.Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
If we stay up and they pump in that sort of money each year (obviously wages will have to go up a bit each year) I think we can build into a pretty decent team as long as the money is spent on players that are actually going to play and improve us.
Apter 2.3m never got a chance
Knibbs 2.1m never got much of a chance
Tanto 1.75 never got a chance
Kelman 3.5 not really proved it yet and now down the pecking order
Costello 870k not been given a chance
Kaminski 1.1 only one who has played all the time.
I never entirely understood why we were so keen on him, as we don't play like Orient did last season. And you can't even blame personal "settling in" issues as it was a cross London move.
We probably won't start Leaburn and Dykes together in every game. In some games it'll be Kelman alongside one of them to give us a different threat.
Godden will likely keep building up his minutes but he isn't a long term option. The hope will be Kelman overtakes him, and he was showing signs that he can score goals at this level in that run of games he had alongside Leaburn.18 -
Am quite happy with our strike force at the moment.Scoham said:
I don't think he's set in stone as 4th choice.killerandflash said:
Especially poor that our "flagship" signing is now 4th choice striker. Yes he'll get minutes, but you don't spend 1/3 of your transfer budget on a squad player.Nicholas said:
To be fair to the owners would you let him spend much more money this season. Not exactly spent it wisely. Granted it's not a huge amount of money in todays terms but it's more then we have spent in years.Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
If we stay up and they pump in that sort of money each year (obviously wages will have to go up a bit each year) I think we can build into a pretty decent team as long as the money is spent on players that are actually going to play and improve us.
Apter 2.3m never got a chance
Knibbs 2.1m never got much of a chance
Tanto 1.75 never got a chance
Kelman 3.5 not really proved it yet and now down the pecking order
Costello 870k not been given a chance
Kaminski 1.1 only one who has played all the time.
I never entirely understood why we were so keen on him, as we don't play like Orient did last season. And you can't even blame personal "settling in" issues as it was a cross London move.
We probably won't start Leaburn and Dykes together in every game. In some games it'll be Kelman alongside one of them to give us a different threat.
Godden will likely keep building up his minutes but he isn't a long term option. The hope will be Kelman overtakes him, and he was showing signs that he can score goals at this level in that run of games he had alongside Leaburn.
Don't think NJ will have a 1st to 4th choice as such and will rotate as he sees fit.8 -
If we don't play the 2 big strikers, then at the moment Godden will be ahead of Kelman. He looked really sharp on Saturday alongside Dykes. Or TC (if not needed at wing back) will also be an option in the front 2.Scoham said:
I don't think he's set in stone as 4th choice.killerandflash said:
Especially poor that our "flagship" signing is now 4th choice striker. Yes he'll get minutes, but you don't spend 1/3 of your transfer budget on a squad player.Nicholas said:
To be fair to the owners would you let him spend much more money this season. Not exactly spent it wisely. Granted it's not a huge amount of money in todays terms but it's more then we have spent in years.Braziliance said:Personally quite disappointed, feel like we still didn’t address our left side and midfield fragility, but at the end of the day, I won't give two hoots if we stay up.
This window and season will be seen as a success if we stay up, a disaster if we go down, as it looks like a very avoidable relegation season on paper to me. It really is that simple.
One thing that is absolutely clear to me, these owners aren't the one to take us to the next level or be ambitious, they're just sensible, which is fine, but long term in this league, we will find ourselves relegated. No team on the lowest budgets and minimal spend can fight relegation consistently. Only have to look at Wigan, Barnsley, Rotherham, Peterborough, Wycombe, likely Oxford, Plymouth etc to know that.
Just have to back the team and manager now, that is all we can do as fans.
If we stay up and they pump in that sort of money each year (obviously wages will have to go up a bit each year) I think we can build into a pretty decent team as long as the money is spent on players that are actually going to play and improve us.
Apter 2.3m never got a chance
Knibbs 2.1m never got much of a chance
Tanto 1.75 never got a chance
Kelman 3.5 not really proved it yet and now down the pecking order
Costello 870k not been given a chance
Kaminski 1.1 only one who has played all the time.
I never entirely understood why we were so keen on him, as we don't play like Orient did last season. And you can't even blame personal "settling in" issues as it was a cross London move.
We probably won't start Leaburn and Dykes together in every game. In some games it'll be Kelman alongside one of them to give us a different threat.
Godden will likely keep building up his minutes but he isn't a long term option. The hope will be Kelman overtakes him, and he was showing signs that he can score goals at this level in that run of games he had alongside Leaburn.
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I know a director of a football club & he told me that Rodwell was “a crook”. I didn’t ask him to elaborate but I would have liked to know morePelling1993 said:
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Brandon Williams contract cancelled at Hull, could Jones whip him into shape? Position we could do with cover6
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Gives me Marcus Madison vibes. Talented player that’s got too much going on behind the scenesCAFCsayer said:Brandon Williams contract cancelled at Hull, could Jones whip him into shape? Position we could do with cover8 -
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Gives me Marcus Madison vibes. Talented player that’s got too much going on behind the scenesCAFCsayer said:Brandon Williams contract cancelled at Hull, could Jones whip him into shape? Position we could do with cover0
