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POST-MATCH THREAD: Stoke City V Charlton Athletic: Tuesday 25th November 2025: KO 19:45
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After the mauling at the valley, I said to my 2 lads, we could conceivably have let in 10 goals by next Saturday night, in a week.
Well we’re up to 8 goals conceded so far, with Coventry away to come.
Logically unless a lot of injured players are back, could be another mauling coming, tipping us into 10 plus goals conceded this week.
If you were looking for a silver lining of sorts, at least the goals conceded, has dropped from 5 to 3!The last 2 games is what I’ve been dreading happening, we’ve just got to hang on in there, and suck it up.2 -
PMSLChippycafc said:What was kamikaze doing for those 1st and 3rd goals no keeper should be beaten from there. Uphill after that. Confidence looks shot. Good turnout for those that went. Going to Coventry Saturday, not booked back till the 19.13, could be spending a few hours looking round Coventry.0 -
Any manager who drops a keeper after one bad game is making a rod for his own back. What happens if Mannion drops a clanger in his first game. It isn’t a game of fantasy football.AFKABartram said:
No offence, but this is just reactive nonsense.MrBurns said:Mannion needs to start the next game. He deserves to get his chance in this league
He’s a solid keeper who has made one mistake. In the five games before this one his Statbank rating was
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I think the excellent start to the season has clouded our judgement. We’re at a massive financial disadvantage to most of the teams we’ve played and yet we’ve mostly looked competitive. Our whole strategy this season is to defend well and nick a goal. Our whole recruitment is built around it. Makes complete sense as splashing out £30m plus £6m a year wages on a couple of experienced championship strikers is beyond our owners budget (can’t believe some supporters moaning that our strikers aren’t scoring enough when we were sitting in the playoffs, crazy talk! Don’t you get what NJ is trying to do?).Have we been found out, too early to say. It’s the first time this season we’ve encountered teams with pacy, one touch attackers that have sliced through our midfield and defence, at the same time we have key players out injured. Hindsight says we should’ve been more defensive in the last two games but hindsight is always right (copyright Ben Stokes). If we have been found out then it’s time for NJ to earn his crust and adapt. I’m just glad that NJ hit the ground running at the start of the season, it could be invaluable.5
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Expected a tight loss but a loss nonetheless, as with Southampton and most probably Coventry, it'll be the manner of the loss rather than the actual result.
Jones, guilty of forcing the current available players to play how he wants rather than how best they can, I wouldn't expect a total abandonment of his ways but we have no left wing back and no real pressing forward so, mix it up a little I guess, solve that and get us through to returning players and hopefully the heavy losses will stop.
As an aside to the amount of goal conceded in the last two, that's two games where we've let them in in quick succession - mentality not right there.
Meh, didn't get carried away with the wins, won't with these two results, if we're still getting carved open and letting in 2+ goals against Pompey and Oxford then I might.3 -
People blaming Kaminski for first goal need to re-look at it - it was inch perfect at a fast pace - he had no chance whatsoever.7
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When on a losing run, its hard to see where and how the next win is coming from - We have built up a points cushion to keep the wolf from the door. I'm confident NJ and the owners will know what need to be done to get us back on track.3
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No goal keeper in the world could have stopped the first goal……complete fluke and curved and dipped in under the crossbar into the extreem top corner, that cross come shot was unstoppable.Chippycafc said:What was kamikaze doing for those 1st and 3rd goals no keeper should be beaten from there. Uphill after that. Confidence looks shot. Good turnout for those that went. Going to Coventry Saturday, not booked back till the 19.13, could be spending a few hours looking round Coventry.
However…….he was of course very much at fault with the third.8 -
Thomas didn't have a clue and was attempting a cross, but shanked it and it somehow crept into the top left hand corner, nothin' Kaminski or any other keeper could have done to stop it...but he was at fault for the third.Zulu said:People blaming Kaminski for first goal need to re-look at it - it was inch perfect at a fast pace - he had no chance whatsoever.
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Not much choice is there.Siv_in_Norfolk said:COYR!
its a rough patch
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Owners need to invest in January. This is largely a League1 squad, and the problem is, it's in key areas.
Momentum and the winning mentality from League 1 will only take you so far.
Can't wait for Coventry.0 -
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Getting injured players back is the worry. With charlton you know if they say it only a niggle they will be back in a week or two, what they really mean is they are out for three months or more.bobmunro said:Southampton, Stoke and Coventry (and to a degree Hollywood FC) are all strong sides who will likely feature heavily in the promotion race this season. Last night was painful to watch though.We need to get our injured players back, and we need to pick up points in December with Pompey, Oxford and Norwich all winnable (or at least not loseable!). But if we have a December like our November then we may well find ourselves in the deep do da.Glass still half full - nil desperandum.0 -
I am pissed off but not depressed about our chances of staying up. The focus is points and that’s that.
Very likely we lose to Coventry, but the season has a long way to go, I am kind of enjoying the season, especially compared to seeing league one football.1 -
The incredibly unlucky early goal killed us. If we concede that goal earlier in the season, you'd back us to pick ourselves back up again and claw ourselves back.
Off the back of Wrexham and Southampton + injuries, that same confidence/fight wasn't there. Our heads dropped and you just knew what the outcome would be once that mishit cross flew over Kaminski in to the net.
I just hope us fans are patient here and don't turn on Jones or the team. I was disappointed to hear boo's at Southampton in all honesty as Jones and this team are well in credit, even after a result like that.
If nothing else, this should hopefully give Jones some ammunition when asking the ownership to put their hands in their pockets come January as we're in desperate need of some extra quality in key positions.4 -
Listening to Nathan in his post match interview on the OS, he didn't sound too positive regarding getting injured players back, Bell might be ok for a small cameo by the weekend, but no mention of Godden or Kelman, we really are in shit street and running on fumes in every department...🤦♂️1
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Getting promotion was an amazing feat. Jones maximised everything he could in terms of work rate and team spirit. This year is all about staying up. We have bought decent players, but nonetheless League 1 players. Stepping up will always be a challenge and we will lose more than we win this season. Some players do look as if the step up is too much, Docherty's limitations and slowness, Gillesphey last night at left back was scared witless of their winger and got turned inside out. And as I've said before, Lloyd Jones habit of attacking everything like an excitable terrier is great when it works.....
I dont think it's panic stations yet, home form will be crucial, as will the games against Oxford, Pompey, Sheff Wed, QPR, Wrexham etc. For now I think it's about being solid and with energy, so maybe Anderson and Fullah come in to freshen it up. We've just got to keep faith, 7 more wins or so and a few draws and we'll do it.6 -
Only boos I heard were aimed at the knob of a ref.CAFCOlly said:The incredibly unlucky early goal killed us. If we concede that goal earlier in the season, you'd back us to pick ourselves back up again and claw ourselves back.
Off the back of Wrexham and Southampton + injuries, that same confidence/fight wasn't there. Our heads dropped and you just knew what the outcome would be once that mishit cross flew over Kaminski in to the net.
I just hope us fans are patient here and don't turn on Jones or the team. I was disappointed to hear boo's at Southampton in all honesty as Jones and this team are well in credit, even after a result like that.
If nothing else, this should hopefully give Jones some ammunition when asking the ownership to put their hands in their pockets come January as we're in desperate need of some extra quality in key positions.3 -
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Don’t completely agree with this although some points are valid, I’ve tried to be patient with TC but it’s becoming increasingly difficult, people say he’s our outlet, so in turn you would expect a bit of individual skill knowing he is going to be in some tight spots, at the moment at this level we are seeing a lot runs into cul-de-sacs and taking the easy option pass backwards, his end product is really not improving, he’s in danger of becoming a passenger which after last season is a bit sad,TC needs to up his game if not he might start to get splinters in his arse and he could have no complaints.Alwaysneil said:Everyone who says TC offers nothing is watching different games of football to me.
In the position he has been playing (left sided attack), he takes up 2/3 defenders who have to sit back in order to nullify his pace running onto a ball over the top, and to combat his dribbling ability.
To play effectively as a forward outlet he needs decent cover behind him. When he doesnt have that cover or is played further back, he takes up fewer defenders, the oppo has more space in midfield to pass through our press.Our entire game plan is for him to consume defensive players so that other players have space to score.He does exactly what Jones asks him to do and the chances of him being dropped are imo nil.1 -
Time for calm heads.....Yes, the double mauling was hard to swallow, but let’s keep some perspective, we’ve actually had a strong start, and despite everything we’re just three points off the play-offs. This league is absolutely bonkers. On any given day, anyone can beat anyone… okay, maybe not Coventry right now, but that’s who we’ve got next!
We head back up there on Saturday a bit like Lady Godiva: exposed, vulnerable, and slightly embarrassed after conceding eight… but as Fergie once muttered, “Football, bloody hell!” It doesn't always read the script.
Nathan will be pacing the technical area, scratching his head, and maybe even pulling out a prayer mat to find a way to stop the rot but we go again with hope. January window is massive we need steel, structure, and smart loanees. But for now, it's time to stick together, sing loud, and back the Addicks. COYA's
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Agree with most of this .. Campbell i m o has not improved since he's been a regular .. he's young and there's still the hope that he will learn to look up and how to make a telling pass. However right now he's contributing very little. The Championship demands a lot more from every player than does League 1Sword65pf said:
Don’t completely agree with this although some points are valid, I’ve tried to be patient with TC but it’s becoming increasingly difficult, people say he’s our outlet, so in turn you would expect a bit of individual skill knowing he is going to be in some tight spots, at the moment at this level we are seeing a lot runs into cul-de-sacs and taking the easy option pass backwards, his end product is really not improving, he’s in danger of becoming a passenger which after last season is a bit sad,TC needs to up his game if not he might start to get splinters in his arse and he could have no complaints.Alwaysneil said:Everyone who says TC offers nothing is watching different games of football to me.
In the position he has been playing (left sided attack), he takes up 2/3 defenders who have to sit back in order to nullify his pace running onto a ball over the top, and to combat his dribbling ability.
To play effectively as a forward outlet he needs decent cover behind him. When he doesnt have that cover or is played further back, he takes up fewer defenders, the oppo has more space in midfield to pass through our press.Our entire game plan is for him to consume defensive players so that other players have space to score.He does exactly what Jones asks him to do and the chances of him being dropped are imo nil.2 -
LargeAddick said:
Only boos I heard were aimed at the knob of a ref.CAFCOlly said:The incredibly unlucky early goal killed us. If we concede that goal earlier in the season, you'd back us to pick ourselves back up again and claw ourselves back.
Off the back of Wrexham and Southampton + injuries, that same confidence/fight wasn't there. Our heads dropped and you just knew what the outcome would be once that mishit cross flew over Kaminski in to the net.
I just hope us fans are patient here and don't turn on Jones or the team. I was disappointed to hear boo's at Southampton in all honesty as Jones and this team are well in credit, even after a result like that.
If nothing else, this should hopefully give Jones some ammunition when asking the ownership to put their hands in their pockets come January as we're in desperate need of some extra quality in key positions.
I got roundly booed when doing the HT crossbar challenge.LargeAddick said:
Only boos I heard were aimed at the knob of a ref.CAFCOlly said:The incredibly unlucky early goal killed us. If we concede that goal earlier in the season, you'd back us to pick ourselves back up again and claw ourselves back.
Off the back of Wrexham and Southampton + injuries, that same confidence/fight wasn't there. Our heads dropped and you just knew what the outcome would be once that mishit cross flew over Kaminski in to the net.
I just hope us fans are patient here and don't turn on Jones or the team. I was disappointed to hear boo's at Southampton in all honesty as Jones and this team are well in credit, even after a result like that.
If nothing else, this should hopefully give Jones some ammunition when asking the ownership to put their hands in their pockets come January as we're in desperate need of some extra quality in key positions.12 -
We just need players back.Braziliance said:Owners need to invest in January. This is largely a League1 squad, and the problem is, it's in key areas.
Momentum and the winning mentality from League 1 will only take you so far.
Can't wait for Coventry.Jones, Ramsay, Burke, Bell, Edwards, Coventry, Bree and Carey are all championship quality players. When we had 6 or 7 of those players on the pitch we were absolutely fine.Now we’ve only got 5 which would be alright but adding that Jones and Bree are probably playing through injuries so not their usual selves so it’s not really 5If we get bodies back, and add a couple more in January so we’ve got more depth for the second half of the season so this doesn’t happen again, then we will be comfortably fine.There won’t be panic and big investment in January. There doesn’t need to be3 -
Focusing on TC as a big problem is a bizarre kind of displacement activity. When our defence was not half injured as now, the front two of TC and Kelman helped us into the top 6 through their relentless pressing. Now Kelman is out and so us half the defence, but TC is the problem? Some people are just weird.Lincsaddick said:
Agree with most of this .. Campbell i m o has not improved since he's been a regular .. he's young and there's still the hope that he will learn to look up and how to make a telling pass. However right now he's contributing very little. The Championship demands a lot more from every player than does League 1Sword65pf said:
Don’t completely agree with this although some points are valid, I’ve tried to be patient with TC but it’s becoming increasingly difficult, people say he’s our outlet, so in turn you would expect a bit of individual skill knowing he is going to be in some tight spots, at the moment at this level we are seeing a lot runs into cul-de-sacs and taking the easy option pass backwards, his end product is really not improving, he’s in danger of becoming a passenger which after last season is a bit sad,TC needs to up his game if not he might start to get splinters in his arse and he could have no complaints.Alwaysneil said:Everyone who says TC offers nothing is watching different games of football to me.
In the position he has been playing (left sided attack), he takes up 2/3 defenders who have to sit back in order to nullify his pace running onto a ball over the top, and to combat his dribbling ability.
To play effectively as a forward outlet he needs decent cover behind him. When he doesnt have that cover or is played further back, he takes up fewer defenders, the oppo has more space in midfield to pass through our press.Our entire game plan is for him to consume defensive players so that other players have space to score.He does exactly what Jones asks him to do and the chances of him being dropped are imo nil.
And who would replace him? Lightweight Apter or stodgy Oloafe. No thanks.8 -
Best post on here, how easy to forget that a few weeks back we turned West Brom over, three games with a depleted squad later, and we are selecting our blame favourites.Southbank said:
Focusing on TC as a big problem is a bizarre kind of displacement activity. When our defence was not half injured as now, the front two of TC and Kelman helped us into the top 6 through their relentless pressing. Now Kelman is out and so us half the defence, but TC is the problem? Some people are just weird.Lincsaddick said:
Agree with most of this .. Campbell i m o has not improved since he's been a regular .. he's young and there's still the hope that he will learn to look up and how to make a telling pass. However right now he's contributing very little. The Championship demands a lot more from every player than does League 1Sword65pf said:
Don’t completely agree with this although some points are valid, I’ve tried to be patient with TC but it’s becoming increasingly difficult, people say he’s our outlet, so in turn you would expect a bit of individual skill knowing he is going to be in some tight spots, at the moment at this level we are seeing a lot runs into cul-de-sacs and taking the easy option pass backwards, his end product is really not improving, he’s in danger of becoming a passenger which after last season is a bit sad,TC needs to up his game if not he might start to get splinters in his arse and he could have no complaints.Alwaysneil said:Everyone who says TC offers nothing is watching different games of football to me.
In the position he has been playing (left sided attack), he takes up 2/3 defenders who have to sit back in order to nullify his pace running onto a ball over the top, and to combat his dribbling ability.
To play effectively as a forward outlet he needs decent cover behind him. When he doesnt have that cover or is played further back, he takes up fewer defenders, the oppo has more space in midfield to pass through our press.Our entire game plan is for him to consume defensive players so that other players have space to score.He does exactly what Jones asks him to do and the chances of him being dropped are imo nil.
And who would replace him? Lightweight Apter or stodgy Oloafe. No thanks.1 -
Nathan Jones brought the players he wanted in the summer. Up until three weeks ago most of us were happy with our position and points in this league.
Fighting above our weight and sitting mid table with more points than i thought we would have, people should be happy.
Long way to go this season it could get nasty.2 -
This 100%Southbank said:
Focusing on TC as a big problem is a bizarre kind of displacement activity. When our defence was not half injured as now, the front two of TC and Kelman helped us into the top 6 through their relentless pressing. Now Kelman is out and so us half the defence, but TC is the problem? Some people are just weird.Lincsaddick said:
Agree with most of this .. Campbell i m o has not improved since he's been a regular .. he's young and there's still the hope that he will learn to look up and how to make a telling pass. However right now he's contributing very little. The Championship demands a lot more from every player than does League 1Sword65pf said:
Don’t completely agree with this although some points are valid, I’ve tried to be patient with TC but it’s becoming increasingly difficult, people say he’s our outlet, so in turn you would expect a bit of individual skill knowing he is going to be in some tight spots, at the moment at this level we are seeing a lot runs into cul-de-sacs and taking the easy option pass backwards, his end product is really not improving, he’s in danger of becoming a passenger which after last season is a bit sad,TC needs to up his game if not he might start to get splinters in his arse and he could have no complaints.Alwaysneil said:Everyone who says TC offers nothing is watching different games of football to me.
In the position he has been playing (left sided attack), he takes up 2/3 defenders who have to sit back in order to nullify his pace running onto a ball over the top, and to combat his dribbling ability.
To play effectively as a forward outlet he needs decent cover behind him. When he doesnt have that cover or is played further back, he takes up fewer defenders, the oppo has more space in midfield to pass through our press.Our entire game plan is for him to consume defensive players so that other players have space to score.He does exactly what Jones asks him to do and the chances of him being dropped are imo nil.
And who would replace him? Lightweight Apter or stodgy Oloafe. No thanks.0 -
We were over achieving. Get the Coventry game out of the way , reset , and go again. Stay faithful to the players and the manager, they deserve it. A few new players January, scrape into 6th place, win at Wembley. Fairytale complete.5
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