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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Sheffield United: Saturday 17th January 2026: KO 15:00

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  • Seems like a potential ankle / leg break and an elbow to the head are just "mistimed" challenges

    Chris Wilder has been in. Described both their red cards as being "mistimed" and no malice.

    He also felt Harvey Knibbs' foul on Sam McCallum, which didn't even merit a booking, was an identical challenge to the Soumare one on Knibbs. #cafc

    — Richard Cawley (@RichSCawley) January 17, 2026
    Wilder doesn't mention Knibbs was spoken to by the ref after the tackle on McCallum who seemed poleaxed on the ground but got up to take 2 corners on various sides of the pitch almost straight away!
    Knibbs ended up on a strecher and later with a protect boot and crutches. How's McCullum? Also very disappointed with the cheating antics of Bamford, totally unneccessary! Yes I'm disappointed we played badly but 3 points and a clean sheet, hope it's much better Tuesday
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 24,236
    edited 12:38PM
    Kap10 said:
    Chris Wilder being very supportive of the referees decisions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X2V49Y_85o
    What a complete knob Wilder is, for a start their guy should have got a yellow for arguing the first red card, so he would have still received "at best a yellow" to quote Wilder, and been sent off for a second yellow anyway, the guy is just deluded, both "tackles" deserved and got a straight red...end of...
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,375
    Seems like a potential ankle / leg break and an elbow to the head are just "mistimed" challenges

    Chris Wilder has been in. Described both their red cards as being "mistimed" and no malice.

    He also felt Harvey Knibbs' foul on Sam McCallum, which didn't even merit a booking, was an identical challenge to the Soumare one on Knibbs. #cafc

    — Richard Cawley (@RichSCawley) January 17, 2026
    Wilder doesn't mention Knibbs was spoken to by the ref after the tackle on McCallum who seemed poleaxed on the ground but got up to take 2 corners on various sides of the pitch almost straight away!
    Knibbs ended up on a strecher and later with a protect boot and crutches. How's McCullum? Also very disappointed with the cheating antics of Bamford, totally unneccessary! Yes I'm disappointed we played badly but 3 points and a clean sheet, hope it's much better Tuesday
    Wilder thought Bamford was best player on pitch. 

    Also said that McCallum had to have stitches in his foot after the Knibbs challenge. 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,312
    Seems like a potential ankle / leg break and an elbow to the head are just "mistimed" challenges

    Chris Wilder has been in. Described both their red cards as being "mistimed" and no malice.

    He also felt Harvey Knibbs' foul on Sam McCallum, which didn't even merit a booking, was an identical challenge to the Soumare one on Knibbs. #cafc

    — Richard Cawley (@RichSCawley) January 17, 2026
    Wilder doesn't mention Knibbs was spoken to by the ref after the tackle on McCallum who seemed poleaxed on the ground but got up to take 2 corners on various sides of the pitch almost straight away!
    Knibbs ended up on a strecher and later with a protect boot and crutches. How's McCullum? Also very disappointed with the cheating antics of Bamford, totally unneccessary! Yes I'm disappointed we played badly but 3 points and a clean sheet, hope it's much better Tuesday
    Wilder thought Bamford was best player on pitch. 

    Also said that McCallum had to have stitches in his foot after the Knibbs challenge. 
    Wear proper boots and not slippery.
  • stjohnshill
    stjohnshill Posts: 12
    edited 12:40PM
    Quite alarming to hear TC got MOTM in the lounge over Kaminski. I do seriously wonder what some of our fans see at times 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,769
    CAFCTrev said:

    We were diabolical today. No way we would have got a result if it stayed 11v11

    How does this have six LOLs?
  • Amos on the wing
    Amos on the wing Posts: 1,811
    edited 12:50PM
    Feel for Rob Apter. Should have played 2nd half. Also Coventry on for Anderson.
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,374
    Playing against 10 or 9 changes dynamics of games, they shut up shop and we can get complacent. Plus we are playing against a team / manager who should have been promoted last year. Their counter looked dangerous. Our players could feel that. I remember man utd in the day winning loads going down to 10/9

    Our midfield also had not played with each other before as a collective/in those positions. Risk from jones but should improve. 

    Midweek game might be a chance to try a different combo up top. Give leaburn a rest maybe as has been putting. In 110% every game. 


  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,997
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,925
    Redskin said:
    First half Sheff Utd started as expected front foot , full of confidence the good thing was we stayed in the game .. i do question NJ team selection in midfield and that caused us issues the whole game .. Anderson ?? the only reason we were in the game at HT was Kaminski… two or three excellent saves and was clear MOM … then the sending offs and the changes …. Don’t think NJ done enough at ht we should have stretched the play but didn’t .. good goal
    from Carey after knock down from Dykes .. but then we got it wrong , don’t get me wrong Sheff Utd never looked like scoring second half but we didn’t go for the kill .. we did not keep procession well enough especially at the back , the crowd did not help and when played the ball forward Sheff Utd coped well which is what they wanted .. Campbell had no one marking him at all and he had so much space and time yet again failed to deliver a killer cross he was poor .. why oh why Apter not playing .. .. we huffed and puffed but it got a little nervous cause it was a massive result .. at the end of the day it was massive 3 points against a team who were in top form .. does not matter how you get it , performance it’s about winning and we did .. we seen it thousands of times that sending offs effects the other team more … but today I think NJ got it badly wrong both in starting line up and at ht with the subs and his game management through the second half
    Massive clown.
    Really? What has he posted that hasn't already been written by the majority of people on here?
    Oh, that's right, it's the RonnieMoore, Everyone Pile on Syndrome in play... 

    What took you so long?
    I've already said that his criticism of TC yesterday was what made his comments clownish.

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,043
    It wasn't a great performance and the team selection was terrible.

    I'm also not sure why Jones is persisting with this formation when we don't have the players for it. I feel like we've been playing with 9 players since Edwards and Bell got injured so nice to even up the numbers for once. Utilising Apter and Campbell as our only attacking outlets, a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 would suit us more at the moment.


    It's insane to me that we keep seeing TC at left wing back. 

    One of the switches that changed our fortunes last season was Campbell being up top and pulling out left, giving us an out ball. It made us probably more like a 4-3-3 when we got forward as TC was starting so wide.That continued at the start of this season too.

    Now that's just stopped. I don't understand it.

    I do understand we have injuries at LWB, but there has to be a better option than taking our fastest striker/winger and playing him there and letting him get pelters from the fans because, not so surprisingly, he's not a defender.
    We’ve played Edwards there, we’ve played Bell there, we’ve played Ramsay there, we’ve played Hernandez there, we’ve played Fullah there, we’ve played Apter there, yesterday we played Bree there.

    It’s not like Jones hasn’t tried other options. Most of them have got injured and others he trusts less than TC.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,874
    We were looking for a goal at the start of the second half. We got it quickly immediately after going close. Then we played a safety first game which is awful for the fans but is understandable given the importance of the points. Positive that Knibbs was still around at the end with one of those boots. It suggests the injury probably isn't a break but we probably expect him to be out for a while.

    We are very depressive about how we are playing at the moment but we have steadied the ship with draws against Coventry, Blackburn and a win yesterday. We were playing well at the start of the season, so despite our budget disadvantage there is no reason we can't get that back. Getting it back means we go through a period like we are in now. I think we need to regain a bit of confidence and us fans have a part to play in that. That means accepting the three points for what they are and stopping the moans. Jones has the opportunity to start a fresh midfield on Tuesday who were part of the team when we were doing well. Leaburn is playing well too. Win on Tuesday and things start to look up.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 24,236
    Feel for Rob Apter. Should have played 2nd half. Also Coventry on for Anderson.
    Saved for Tuesday V Derby... 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,407
    I thought after @56 years of watching Charlton at The Valley I'd pretty much seen it all.
    But no, yesterday was a match you'll possibly remember in another 50 years.
    We could have been 5 down and it seemed to be a nailed on win for Sheff U.

    Then 2 players are sent off within a matter of minutes and we win the game.
    I was almost speechless from the sending offs onwards.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,944
    What Apter? Be surprised if he gets a start before we get a proper LWB in, Jones seems to have decided that for sure
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,043
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    Getting something on a break was going to be their only opportunity of scoring a goal. I can only remember them managing to do that once in 50 minutes of football.

    So how was our approach playing into their hands? Keeping the foot on the throat gives them more opportunities to turn it over, more opportunities to break and more opportunities to equalise.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,438
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    Getting something on a break was going to be their only opportunity of scoring a goal. I can only remember them managing to do that once in 50 minutes of football.

    So how was our approach playing into their hands? Keeping the foot on the throat gives them more opportunities to turn it over, more opportunities to break and more opportunities to equalise.
    That or from a set piece. They had a few corners and free kicks. 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,312
    JamesSeed said:
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    Getting something on a break was going to be their only opportunity of scoring a goal. I can only remember them managing to do that once in 50 minutes of football.

    So how was our approach playing into their hands? Keeping the foot on the throat gives them more opportunities to turn it over, more opportunities to break and more opportunities to equalise.
    That or from a set piece. They had a few corners and free kicks. 
    Where we brought everyone back for!
  • dickad1
    dickad1 Posts: 283
    edited 1:45PM
    On reflection, as frustrating and anxiety ridden as that all felt.

    1. Their manager and fans really annoyed me - they were both awful challenges. I accept's the Knibbs one was bad too and he was lucky to escape a yellow (although not seen a replay), but he made contact with a follow through, nothing like a studs up stamp on an ankle. Watch the SU extended highlights - commentators instinctively knew both were shockers.   All Wilder does is encourage more of that - a signal to the players it's acceptable and playing up to the fanbase as a local hero etc. Whereas the truth is their own indiscipline threw away what would have been a certain 3 points - Tangaga especially who was a sending off waiting to happen if I have ever seen one. 

    2. I've not seen it written much, but I thought Gillesphey had a better game, defensively. Appeared to be a bit sharper and more aggressive into challenges.   I sort of didn't notice he was playing, in a good way. 

    3. Kaminski was great, TC showed we need his ability to get us up the pitch, Connor Coventry absolutely deserving of the 'gets better when not in the team' award - he is so important for us.   

    4. As horrible as it was to watch, and as much as we all needed the calm of the second goal, we did manage the second half well, as did they in fairness. 

    5. I think those saying this is evidence we are just not up to it, will go down, awful midfield etc - things can change, we were really good against Coventry just a couple of matches ago. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,253
    Chunes said:
    CAFCTrev said:

    We were diabolical today. No way we would have got a result if it stayed 11v11

    How does this have six LOLs?
    Because to some posters on here, football is so black and white, it’s impossible to play poorly yet win.

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,577
    End of the day, we were dealt the best hand any team is going to get, and we played it poorly. We went into a long throw in injury time one slip from the unthinkable. Game should have been put to bed. Jones will hopefully reflect on the way we approached that second half, albeit I don't think we'll be in that scenario again for a while (still applies against 10 mind) 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,503
    Leaburn was down and Hylton was telling him to stay down,  so we can do our standard re shuffle cos we’ve fucked it up with the starting line up /formation and Leaburn didn’t see the signal.
    As if by magic Kaminski hits the deck and stays down and on comes the trainer. It’s beyond pathetic that we do this virtually every game yes it benefits us but it’s a bit muggy imo 

  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,503
    Leaburns substitution at that point and position of the game has to go down as one of the most fucktard decisions made in the  history of football .
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,038
    Leaburn was down and Hylton was telling him to stay down,  so we can do our standard re shuffle cos we’ve fucked it up with the starting line up /formation and Leaburn didn’t see the signal.
    As if by magic Kaminski hits the deck and stays down and on comes the trainer. It’s beyond pathetic that we do this virtually every game yes it benefits us but it’s a bit muggy imo 

    Made me laugh when our fans at Birmingham went apoplectic when their keeper did the same thing that ours does on an almost weekly basis 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,698
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    I’ve been saying we need a playmaker for what seems like forever. We have nobody in midfield that “runs” a game. Have had people comment that the way Jones sets up doesn’t need a playmaker. If that’s the case then he’s as deluded as is possible. I think our start to the season caught a few teams out but the way we play with no plan B has been well and truly rumbled. Two weeks to sign a player or two that could make the difference between staying up or not. Sadly I don’t think Dykes and Clarke are anything more than Championship average. We need two in that are going to make a real difference.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,503
    Swisdom said:
    As crap a game as it was my only real frustration was playing into Sheff Utd's hands.

    Once we got the goal we shoudn't have taken a foot off their throat.  They were clearly told to waste time at 1-0, stay in the game and try to nick something on the break.
    We sat back and slowed it down to play right into their hands as it just frustrated home fans which boosted theirs and their players.

    The biggest alarm bell is we didnt have ANYONE who wanted to be offensive or ANYONE who wanted the ball.  We desperately need a playmaker.  Someone who demands the ball and makes us tick.
    I’ve been saying we need a playmaker for what seems like forever. We have nobody in midfield that “runs” a game. Have had people comment that the way Jones sets up doesn’t need a playmaker. If that’s the case then he’s as deluded as is possible. I think our start to the season caught a few teams out but the way we play with no plan B has been well and truly rumbled. Two weeks to sign a player or two that could make the difference between staying up or not. Sadly I don’t think Dykes and Clarke are anything more than Championship average. We need two in that are going to make a real difference.
    As someone said elsewhere Championship average puts them in our top players bracket , our squad is full of guff.
    Still at least we had a strong team out against Chelsea to risk injuries with and keep the score down to 0-5 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,716
    You can tell how badly we have started a game, by whether Kaminski goes down, and how early it happens.

    Indeed never mind pass completion or xG, the "Kaminski injury" stat is the one I'd like to see  :D
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,106
    This "timeout" thing has to stop. Everyone does it. We always do it, but they also did it in the second half when the ref went over to their keeper and called the trainer on, but he never came on. Their players all went into a huddle and the ref just stood there until eventually the keeper just got up again.

    Some of these breaks last for five minutes or more. The game just stops and everyone seems to accept it. Ridiculous.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 24,236
    Leaburn was down and Hylton was telling him to stay down,  so we can do our standard re shuffle cos we’ve fucked it up with the starting line up /formation and Leaburn didn’t see the signal.
    As if by magic Kaminski hits the deck and stays down and on comes the trainer. It’s beyond pathetic that we do this virtually every game yes it benefits us but it’s a bit muggy imo 

    iirc, their keeper also did the tactical injury stuff 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,769
    Chunes said:
    CAFCTrev said:

    We were diabolical today. No way we would have got a result if it stayed 11v11

    How does this have six LOLs?
    Because to some posters on here, football is so black and white, it’s impossible to play poorly yet win.
    And if you play poorly and win, the manager had you play poorly on purpose.