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Playing against 9 - is it as easy as you think?
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I make this spot on.killerandflash said:Yesterday showed how poor we are on the ball, and the desperate lack of attacking guile in our side. We made it incredibly easy for United in the second half, with the slowness of our passing and poor attacking play. Baffling why Apter didn't come on, and a shame Fullah wasn't on the bench, as the game was crying out for a bit of individual creativity.
It was a perfect situation for us to dominate them. Not only did they have to play half the game with 9 men, we got the early goal in the second half, so they couldn't just park the bus to get a draw.
If they had been 1-0 up when they went down to 9 men, that could have been really painful
The starting midfield was baffling. A group of spoilers, with little or no creativity. Jones should have changed that long before the first sending-off.
Then, with the two-man advantage, we enjoyed the majority of possession and some attacking periods through Campbell. But it was crying out for Apter too. I think Jones avoided that option as Clarke was doing pretty well down the right.
The win was very welcome, but it glosses over the fact that we were dire for the first 35 minutes.
It's sad to think that Knibbs might be out for a while (even though he hasn't been great this season), but it may refocus our January window. If Apter isn't to feature, then we need some additional creativity.2 -
The lack of attacking guile and creativity has been my main bugbear , I get it's not NJs style but the options are there in the squad to add a bit more spark and creativity. Spent good money on Apter and he can't even get off the bench.killerandflash said:Yesterday showed how poor we are on the ball, and the desperate lack of attacking guile in our side. We made it incredibly easy for United in the second half, with the slowness of our passing and poor attacking play. Baffling why Apter didn't come on, and a shame Fullah wasn't on the bench, as the game was crying out for a bit of individual creativity.
It was a perfect situation for us to dominate them. Not only did they have to play half the game with 9 men, we got the early goal in the second half, so they couldn't just park the bus to get a draw.
If they had been 1-0 up when they went down to 9 men, that could have been really painful
Would probably be my main target for the summer , a proper string puller in the midfield who has that killer pass.1 -
MarcusH26 said:
Yup! And given what has come out since , that Sam Sodje red card looks more and more dodgy....DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there
That game will stay in my memory for ever.
I know what I saw and Deon Burton needed to explain why he did a senseless deliberate hand ball after already being booked and Cafc down to 10 men after Sam Sodje two footed tackle that begged the referee to send him off.
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The Sodje red card was one of the most ridiculous I think I've seen. Just completely no point whatsoever, think we might have even gone 1-0 up before it all imploded (Jonjo goal???)soapboxsam said:MarcusH26 said:
Yup! And given what has come out since , that Sam Sodje red card looks more and more dodgy....DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there
That game will stay in my memory for ever.
I know what I saw and Deon Burton needed to explain why he did a senseless deliberate hand ball after already being booked and Cafc down to 10 men after Sam Sodje two footed tackle that begged the referee to send him off.0 -
It really shows the limitations of a team when they can't take advantage of having two extra players. The lack of ability to pass and utilise the extra space is a sad indictment of the stick, not twist confusion that the side have under Nathan at the moment.
Mitigation is the injuries especially to the LWB and LCB positions which has caused the team to look so fragile.
Get fit soon Josh Edwards and Amari'i Bell.
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Despite it being quite boring and frustrating, the truth is that was very easy in the second half. Having scored they never looked liked scoring. It was just so important that we won and didn't take needless risks. A minority view, I know, but I'll take it atm.8
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I went to Stamford Bridge with my cousin ( a Blue's fan) to watch Chelsea v Leeds back in '97. Leeds had 2 men sent off in the first half, game finished 0-0 and Chelsea never got a sniff of hitting the back of the net.0
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MarcusH26 said:
The Sodje red card was one of the most ridiculous I think I've seen. Just completely no point whatsoever, think we might have even gone 1-0 up before it all imploded (Jonjo goal???)soapboxsam said:MarcusH26 said:
Yup! And given what has come out since , that Sam Sodje red card looks more and more dodgy....DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there
That game will stay in my memory for ever.
I know what I saw and Deon Burton needed to explain why he did a senseless deliberate hand ball after already being booked and Cafc down to 10 men after Sam Sodje two footed tackle that begged the referee to send him off.
We went 1 nil up before the advantage of having the extra players meant Swindon hit back with 2 goal before Miguel Llera scored the late equaliser down the covered end. Not sure if Jonjo scored our goal but he did get booked with a tackle by the side of the pitch.
A Boxing day Desmond result.
Polar opposite feeling in the play off match at the Valley with Bailey's row z penalty skyer 🤦🏼♂️
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When Lera equalised it felt as if we had won.3
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Can't believe nearly 18000 people witnessed the Swindon game.
Chris Dickson made an appearance that game too.0 -
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That would be ideal but unless there’s a better way to filter out games based on number of red cards, it’s a bit of a long and arduous search for example.Stig said:There's enough football played and enough examples of teams going down to nine men that it would be comparatively easy for someone (not me) to do a proper statistical analysis of scores and results rather than just recounting a few hazy memories of recent Championship and old Charlton games. What is far more rare though is a team going down to nine men in the first half. If I've ever seen it, it's long been forgotten.
Having that numerical difference for such a long period of time is an unprecedented advantage. That is the real frustration about yesterday. We had plenty of time to tire their nine out and then really make them pay, but we never did. Even after getting an early goal we still didn't have the will or the ability to finish them off with aplomb. Good result. Disappointing scoreline. Worrying performance.
In the meantime, treat yourself to a League One example between Portsmouth and Coventry.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11674/11781357/portsmouth-3-3-coventry-nine-man-sky-blues-hold-pompey
A game which Portsmouth led 3-1 with a one man advantage after 60 mins. A Matt Godden penalty pulled it back to 3-2 for the 10 men but they had a further player sent off.
Five minutes from time, Coventry equalised with just the nine men left on the pitch for a 3-3 result.0 -
Ten-man Real Sociedad beat Barcelona yesterday0
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Callumcafc said:
Most recent instance of this for the Championship I can find (not including very late red cards 90+ that had little to no impact) is Watford 1-2 Burnley nine months ago.
Watford went down to 10 men on 69 minutes when they were already losing 2-1. In the 30 minutes of remaining play, against the best defence in the league, Watford created three openings for shots. Burnley had four shots of their own. Much more even than you might expect.
Yesterday, in 50 minutes of second half football, we allowed Sheff Utd to have one shot. After we had taken the lead, we had 11 shots.
Watford 3-4 Burnley in 30 minsCharlton 11-1 Sheff Utd in 50 mins
The Women got 10 with 11 players on the pitch.0 -
We went 1 up early in to the second half. With recent injuries and a game to be played on Tuesday why go all guns blazing? Just play it around, keep the ball, don’t get any more injuries and keep the 3 points ready with the energy for Derby and then Millwall days later. Simple as that!6
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sam3110 said:Can't believe nearly 18000 people witnessed the Swindon game.
Chris Dickson made an appearance that game too.
Elliot, Llera, Semedo, Basey (one yellow card off getting a red), S Sodje (red card) Omozusi, Bailey, Shelvey, Spring, A Sodje, Burton (two yellow cards, red card). Subs: McKenzie, Wagstaff, Dickson in that orderTook the lead with 10 men, and held out till 73 mins before going 2-1 down.
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For two minutes + injury time. Not really ten men is it?Chizz said:Ten-man Real Sociedad beat Barcelona yesterday
What would be interesting is to know many entire halves of league football have ever been played by a full team against 9 men?
I think there are many precedents for Saturday!0 -
It should be ridiculously easy.
All it did was expose our limitations as a team. How it can be seen any other way is beyond my understanding.
Two players always free guaranteed, should make it a massacre.2 -
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MarcusH26 said:
The Sodje red card was one of the most ridiculous I think I've seen. Just completely no point whatsoever, think we might have even gone 1-0 up before it all imploded (Jonjo goal???)soapboxsam said:MarcusH26 said:
Yup! And given what has come out since , that Sam Sodje red card looks more and more dodgy....DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there
That game will stay in my memory for ever.
I know what I saw and Deon Burton needed to explain why he did a senseless deliberate hand ball after already being booked and Cafc down to 10 men after Sam Sodje two footed tackle that begged the referee to send him off.
Am I imagining things in that the Sodje family were involved in a betting scandal?
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I am not passing comment on our game from Saturday, but to play 45 minutes against 10 men I'd not think the other team would go on to win the game. However, to play against 9 men a team should comfortably win the game.
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Nope Sam was implicated in a betting scandal. Think Efe served time for fraud too.ElfsborgAddick said:MarcusH26 said:
The Sodje red card was one of the most ridiculous I think I've seen. Just completely no point whatsoever, think we might have even gone 1-0 up before it all imploded (Jonjo goal???)soapboxsam said:MarcusH26 said:
Yup! And given what has come out since , that Sam Sodje red card looks more and more dodgy....DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there
That game will stay in my memory for ever.
I know what I saw and Deon Burton needed to explain why he did a senseless deliberate hand ball after already being booked and Cafc down to 10 men after Sam Sodje two footed tackle that begged the referee to send him off.
Am I imagining things in that the Sodje family were involved in a betting scandal?1 -
By way of demonstration, Clarke was positively screaming for the ball in half a pitch worth of space on multiple occasions.Braziliance said:It should be ridiculously easy.
All it did was expose our limitations as a team. How it can be seen any other way is beyond my understanding.
Two players always free guaranteed, should make it a massacre.
We either chose not to give it to him tactically, or didnt have the minerals to attempt the pass.3 -
Teams rarely seem to have a 'power play' gameplan. With 9 men you surely can leave someone up front when defending a corner (you surely can manage 10 vs 9 in those situations). Designate someone as a free man, loitering wide on the half way line when we are defending, an easy out ball.
Added to that our lack of urgency on Saturday and you are left wide open to the 9 nicking a 1-1 draw.0 -
I couldn’t find any examples of a team going down to nine men in the 23/24 Championship season. So far we have these examples across the second and third tier:
Charlton 1-0 Sheff Utd
Watford 1-2 Burnley
Portsmouth 3-3 Coventry
Charlton 2-2 Swindon
There’s also QPR 1-1 Plymouth but that feels naughty to include because Plymouth’s second red card was in 90+1.
Still unable to find a relatively recent example of an EFL team being blown away with 9 men.
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Yes, I was in the car driving home when he scored it!DartfordAddick said:
Was it Miguel Llera who scored the equaliser for us?Leuth said:Swindon once famously couldn't beat 9 men. I may have been there1 -
Did it one time playing Sunday League. 2 lads were hungover so couldn't play. We scored on the break at the start and spent the last 80 odd minutes just defending.
It also happened the day after a few of us went to see 300 in the cinena, so we were extra pumped up.
We kept shouting 'THIS IS SPARTA' anytime we made a clearence4 -
Whilst we only scored one, that second half was pretty easy. They didn't have a sniff of a goal.0
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We should only be considering games where teams go to 9 men in first half.Callumcafc said:I couldn’t find any examples of a team going down to nine men in the 23/24 Championship season. So far we have these examples across the second and third tier:
Charlton 1-0 Sheff Utd
Watford 1-2 Burnley
Portsmouth 3-3 Coventry
Charlton 2-2 Swindon
There’s also QPR 1-1 Plymouth but that feels naughty to include because Plymouth’s second red card was in 90+1.
Still unable to find a relatively recent example of an EFL team being blown away with 9 men.1 -
Credit to Wilder not doing a Warnock.
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Probably because it's extremely rare a team go down to 9 men in the first half?Callumcafc said:I couldn’t find any examples of a team going down to nine men in the 23/24 Championship season. So far we have these examples across the second and third tier:
Charlton 1-0 Sheff Utd
Watford 1-2 Burnley
Portsmouth 3-3 Coventry
Charlton 2-2 Swindon
There’s also QPR 1-1 Plymouth but that feels naughty to include because Plymouth’s second red card was in 90+1.
Still unable to find a relatively recent example of an EFL team being blown away with 9 men.
There is no way of dressing this up, sorry. It was an abysmal performance. Hopefully it won't be tomorrow.0
