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JRC and Coventry looked like they were running in treacle so it certainly felt like we were outnumbered.NabySarr said:Talal said:
Yesterday when we went to a 4 at the back we also only had a 2 man midfield which gives little protection. Don't think anyone is suggesting we try that. It might not work but it's not like wing backs have been a great success recently. Can't see him changing it anyway so you don't need to worry.NabySarr said:
Our back 4 was an absolute disaster yesterday. Really don’t see how anyone watched that and still sees it as some magic change that’s going to transform our teamcharltonman2016 said:Change the formation up and go back 4. 352 clearly not working. Claims he is an adaptable manager!
Stop playing Anderson.
Maybe give Apter a go. The one who can actually cross a ball and cost money in the summer!
Stop bringing all your luton mates across. Who have either lost their legs now or always injured. Danny Hylton as well complete waste of time as a strikers coach.
Hylton is set piece coach, and our set piece record is up there with the best in the leagueMillwall also had a 2 man midfield. So it wasn’t like we were outnumbered there.If we had the players for a back 4 then I’d be on board. But it’s blatant that we don’t have the centre backs for it. Lloyd Jones is the only one reliable enough and even then he’s much better in a back 30 -
I’m assuming no one see what happened when we 4-4-2 yesterday1
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Feel like the team have also lost confidence in Kaminski and we panic every time the ball goes in the box. Bring Mannion in. At least he can collect the ball and take pressure off the defenders feeling like they must get first contact because they currently have a keeper rooted to his line and flaps rather than catches.
Never play Gillesphey again, I don’t need to go into the reasons why, he’s not up to this level. Plain and simple.
Bring in another centre back, another left back and move to a back 4.
Play TC in his natural and best position, playing on the left high up the pitch and let him use most of his energy attacking their full back, not sprinting back into a defensive shape.
Bring in at least another central midfielder, someone who can actually get his foot on the ball, want the ball, and move the ball in a progressive way. They need to be athletic, they need to be strong. They will cost money but our midfield is absolute pony.
Start showing us we actually have some form of attacking patterns and with that movement is needed. When we have the ball, we go long 90% of the time because literally no one is moving. We are statues and it’s pathetic.
People can point to the lack of clean sheets recently but we offer literally nothing going forward it’s easy for teams to come onto us and score because we never have any form of sustained pressure against anyone. Even against 9 men we didn’t have a clue and another few more minutes and I am sure Sheffield United would’ve equalised.
Start to really look in the mirror, stop talking about previous seasons, stop talking about where we have come from in comparison to anyone else. Fact is we are in the Championship. If we are miles and miles behind everyone else, there is a reason for it and it’s a lack of cohesive coaching and failing to provide any form of confidence to any player.
And finally, stop fucking changing things 4 or 5 times a game. We go from a back 5 to a back 4 to a back 5 with TC playing up front to wing back to left wing back to wing back. Clarke goes from right wing back to left back to right wing back. All of it, every single time, screams desperation and a complete lack of idea. If you don’t know what the hell you’re doing, how do you expect the players to know or have any confidence in the decisions being made for them to even get it right? Oh and stop giving sly digs at the fans because credit is running out and the more this crap continues, the more people will turn because there is already a wave against and that wave will grow, and fast, if this doesn’t improve quickly.
We’ve said it before in recent times, but this has to be the biggest week in our recent history. Failure to bring in the quality we need and we will go down. I have no doubt. And relegation this season would be catastrophic for the club. Sort it out.8 -
Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.1
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Playing out from the back is an utter joke - simply can't do it. Just invites pressure...usetobunkin said:Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.4 -
Equally the route one stuff isn’t working alsohoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Playing out from the back is an utter joke - simply can't do it. Just invites pressure...usetobunkin said:Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.1 -
AberystwythAddick said:
Equally the route one stuff isn’t working alsohoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Playing out from the back is an utter joke - simply can't do it. Just invites pressure...usetobunkin said:Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.
It certainly isn't against giants like Cooper and Taylor - they must have thought their birthdays and Christmas all came together.0 -
Far easier to gift a goal playing out from the back if pressed by the opposition. We don't have the quality to do it and very few teams do. It's a pointless fad...AberystwythAddick said:
Equally the route one stuff isn’t working alsohoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Playing out from the back is an utter joke - simply can't do it. Just invites pressure...usetobunkin said:Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.1 -
Get in a decent box to box CM to play alongside cov and a LCB next to Jones and go TC and Apter out wide 4-4-2 so people are actually playing in their positions... Can't be worse than the crap served up on Saturday. Chambers lb, Clarke Rb... I think would look a lot more comfortable with a decent LCB in there, Gillespie is not that playerNabySarr said:
Our back 4 was an absolute disaster yesterday. Really don’t see how anyone watched that and still sees it as some magic change that’s going to transform our teamcharltonman2016 said:Change the formation up and go back 4. 352 clearly not working. Claims he is an adaptable manager!
Stop playing Anderson.
Maybe give Apter a go. The one who can actually cross a ball and cost money in the summer!
Stop bringing all your luton mates across. Who have either lost their legs now or always injured. Danny Hylton as well complete waste of time as a strikers coach.
Hylton is set piece coach, and our set piece record is up there with the best in the league0 -
With Burke playing RCB and Clarke playing on the wrong side. More square pegs in round holes. We need bodies in and playing people in their correct positions will help us be more solidCAFCBourne said:I’m assuming no one see what happened when we 4-4-2 yesterday1 -
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We have attempted the least passes of any team in the league, we don't really play it out from the back that often. Frustratingly Fbref has basically died so I can't check where we are on the "long balls attempted" attempted stat anymore but we were pretty high up the table, in terms of accurate long balls we are bang avergae in 11th. We aren't a team who attempt to play out from the back much. When we do we quite often make bad decisions. It's also true though that we look most dangerous when we keep the ball on the floor and drive forward morehoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Far easier to gift a goal playing out from the back if pressed by the opposition. We don't have the quality to do it and very few teams do. It's a pointless fad...AberystwythAddick said:
Equally the route one stuff isn’t working alsohoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Playing out from the back is an utter joke - simply can't do it. Just invites pressure...usetobunkin said:Tell the players to shoot as soon as they can and stop taking the extra touches. Tell TC to play facing the opposition.Much quicker clearing your lines, Stop the playing out from the back.0 -
It’s undeniably a difficult situation. There are lots of issues with team selection and recruitment that need to be fixed.Nobody wants him to chop and change every week but who deserves to be starting every game? Nobody is in form. With that said, we need to have a core or spine of players that start most weeks barring injury or rest. Clarke, Ramsay, Jones, Bell, Coventry, Carey, TC, Kelman and Leaburn should form that group, for me.I want to see Leaburn and one of Kelman or TC be given a run (three or four games) together to try and build a partnership. The one who isn’t starting is brought on between 60 and 70 mins to work against a tired defence; this worked so well at the start of the year! I have little interest in watching Dykes from the off but think he has the potential to be a useful option late in games. I want to see Coventry and Carey play as many minutes as possible, and ideally a new signing alongside them who can get about the pitch whilst also being able to play a fifteen yard pass. I don’t want to see Macca play very much at all (sorry). Jones is a different player when he has Bell / Ramsay either side of him. Their recovery pace allows him to be aggressive and their comfort on the ball gives him two decent options. That said, Ramsay’s form is a worry and Bell can hardly be relied upon to be available.In terms of recruitment, I think two players in the minimum. A centre mid as mentioned above and a left footed defender comfortable at wing back and centre back. If we could add someone like Bree on top of that - brilliant. A creative attacking midfielder would be a huge bonus to replace Knibbs.I think it’s about trying to build up chemistry and confidence. We know the formation can work. Teams have realised that we’re not very dangerous with the ball, but we only blew a few teams away last year too. The defence was the foundation. So what’s happened? It starts from the front for me. We are too easy to play through: why have we stopped pressing? Was the Southampton game the last time we ever see that? Out of possession the team is so far off the levels from earlier in the year.Simplify the game - like Millwall did yesterday. Defensively: win our duels, pressure on the ball, strong into tackles and fight for everything. Attacking: we have to get better at winning first and second balls if we are going to persist with long balls. When we do have it on the floor, get the ball wide early and encourage our creative players to take people on, we need more movement all over the pitch, and we just have to improve decision making. None of it is easy but Jones and the players have proven they can do it!0
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If we played with a 2 man midfield in the championship it would really not be pretty. That lineup would get annihilated most games, just like the 4-4-2 did yesterdayCAFCsayer said:
Get in a decent box to box CM to play alongside cov and a LCB next to Jones and go TC and Apter out wide 4-4-2 so people are actually playing in their positions... Can't be worse than the crap served up on Saturday. Chambers lb, Clarke Rb... I think would look a lot more comfortable with a decent LCB in there, Gillespie is not that playerNabySarr said:
Our back 4 was an absolute disaster yesterday. Really don’t see how anyone watched that and still sees it as some magic change that’s going to transform our teamcharltonman2016 said:Change the formation up and go back 4. 352 clearly not working. Claims he is an adaptable manager!
Stop playing Anderson.
Maybe give Apter a go. The one who can actually cross a ball and cost money in the summer!
Stop bringing all your luton mates across. Who have either lost their legs now or always injured. Danny Hylton as well complete waste of time as a strikers coach.
Hylton is set piece coach, and our set piece record is up there with the best in the league0 -
Not to play TC at wing back, get him further up the park10
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I've said since day 1 I don't rate Kaminski. Not suggesting Mannion is perfect but he gives the defence confidence because he actually comes of his line and relieves pressure by claiming the ball instead of parrying or punching. We need a better goalie and should be looking for a good, young, modern goalkeeper.
Gillesphey deserved a contract for getting us promoted but he was never going to work in The Championship. He is far too slow and cumbersome. We need a more mobile LCB regardless of if we play 3,4 or 5 at the back. Bell is not the answer because he is too injury prone.
Midfield needs an overhaul. Coventry has good days but when he's bad, he's very bad. Passing is not progressive enough and he has no pace. He badly needs legs around him to bring a bit of dynamism. He's not THE problem but we need to accommodate him and support him.
Midfield is crying out for creativity. It's full of robots and there isn't a single one capable of unlocking a stubbbon defence and there isn't someone who is demanding the ball. As much as I hate Bannon, he is always available, a;ways wants the ball and always moves forwards with it. We need someone like that who isn't scared of the ball.
Up front is a worry. Dykes looks imperious up front for Scotland. Whenever we played against him he was dominant. I'm yet to see it but it's early days.
He needs a waspish striker feeding off him but I am not convinced Kelman is the right one and i'm not convinced Godden will be the same player for us again.
Kelman needs supply or he's absolutely pointless. The way we play is never going to suit him.
Campbell - I hear nothing but negativity towards him but he is our only offensive and ceative player who scares opponents. Fot fucks sake get off his back.
There is a lot that needs to change but we showed earlier in the season we can be competitive. We just need to get back to doing the basics better than our opponents and being fitter than our opponents - neither of which we are doing remotely well now.
5 more wins might just be enough
We ARE still ahead of schedule
4th from bottom is enough to allow us to consolidate, rebuild and learn from this season.
We, as fans, have a part to play. I'm still behind Nathan but he's got to look at changing it up a bit or more and more fans will turn. Saying that, his intereactions with Jim Rodwell yesterday looked more than a little tense. I was told we were one game away from Nathan getting the boot last season and then we won 5-0 at Northampton and that proved to be the catalyst for our brilliant run. We badly need that momentum shift
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Sign JRS.
Campbell on one-wing & JRS on the other wing.3 -
Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
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Course it won’t be easy.NabySarr said:
Sounds easy when you say it like that. The reality is though that we’d have to get both palace and JRS to agree to that, and that’s where the plan falls apart as there’s no chance of that happeningCafcSteve said:Sign JRS.
Campbell on one-wing & JRS on the other wing.
Especially when left this late in January.
We should have had targets identified before the month even began.1 -
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Would be good to see Apter crossing the ball for Dykes/Leaburn for a run of games.9
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It is so obvious to literally everyone that we can’t keep playing TC and Gillespie in a defensive role on the left. NJ please do absolutely anything that means never doing that again.
you might be stubborn but sticking to this will cost you your job0 -
I would also love to ask him why when players start to hit a bit of form he drops them. An example of this is Miles the last few games he seemed to be getting the better of defences after struggling all season then gets dropped7
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So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)4 -
Luckily for you I have a bit of time today so will educate you. Firstly you cant compare going to a back 4 when we are actually chasing the game to starting in a 451 or 433, I dont think I need to expand on why.NabySarr said:
So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)
Where was Macca successful playing as a CB in a back 3? He got promoted at from L1 with plymouth ill give you that and then was dropped once they got to championship, as for Kayne he was a RWB? Lloyd can play on a back 3 I accept and maybe Burke but thats no good when he is injured every 2 mins.
If we insist on staying witha back 3 we need to sign another 2 cbs who can actually play that formation and arent injury prone plus another WB or 2.
Look its cute you thought you had a point but my advice is not to die on this hill, arguing in favour of something that has no factual bearing.2 -
Is there any need to be so patronising purely because you disagree with someone?Radostanradical said:
Luckily for you I have a bit of time today so will educate you. Firstly you cant compare going to a back 4 when we are actually chasing the game to starting in a 451 or 433, I dont think I need to expand on why.NabySarr said:
So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)
Where was Macca successful playing as a CB in a back 3? He got promoted at from L1 with plymouth ill give you that and then was dropped once they got to championship, as for Kayne he was a RWB? Lloyd can play on a back 3 I accept and maybe Burke but thats no good when he is injured every 2 mins.
If we insist on staying witha back 3 we need to sign another 2 cbs who can actually play that formation and arent injury prone plus another WB or 2.
Look its cute you thought you had a point but my advice is not to die on this hill, arguing in favour of something that has no factual bearing.9 -
No not really and its just for fun. Please I and the poster have sparred over this issue previously.fenaddick said:
Is there any need to be so patronising purely because you disagree with someone?Radostanradical said:
Luckily for you I have a bit of time today so will educate you. Firstly you cant compare going to a back 4 when we are actually chasing the game to starting in a 451 or 433, I dont think I need to expand on why.NabySarr said:
So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)
Where was Macca successful playing as a CB in a back 3? He got promoted at from L1 with plymouth ill give you that and then was dropped once they got to championship, as for Kayne he was a RWB? Lloyd can play on a back 3 I accept and maybe Burke but thats no good when he is injured every 2 mins.
If we insist on staying witha back 3 we need to sign another 2 cbs who can actually play that formation and arent injury prone plus another WB or 2.
Look its cute you thought you had a point but my advice is not to die on this hill, arguing in favour of something that has no factual bearing.0 -
Gillesphey got promoted playing in a back 3 at Plymouth, he was then left out when they changed to a back 4 in the championship. He also obviously was promoted with us in a 3. Very obvious from his career that he’s better in a 3, he’s not good enough for the championship doing that but in a back 4 he’d be absolutely terrible at this levelRadostanradical said:
Luckily for you I have a bit of time today so will educate you. Firstly you cant compare going to a back 4 when we are actually chasing the game to starting in a 451 or 433, I dont think I need to expand on why.NabySarr said:
So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)
Where was Macca successful playing as a CB in a back 3? He got promoted at from L1 with plymouth ill give you that and then was dropped once they got to championship, as for Kayne he was a RWB? Lloyd can play on a back 3 I accept and maybe Burke but thats no good when he is injured every 2 mins.
If we insist on staying witha back 3 we need to sign another 2 cbs who can actually play that formation and arent injury prone plus another WB or 2.
Look it’s cute you thought you had a point but my advice is not to die on this hill, arguing in favour of something that has no factual bearing.
Lloyd Jones didn’t really do anything in his career until he played well in a 3 at Cambridge and then signed for us, where he didn’t do well in a 4 (in fairness we were shite) but has been excellent in a 3 and it really suits his game.Amari’i Bell started out as a wing back, while at Luton he also started playing LCB in a 3 which he has continued to do very well for us. Really suits his game perfectly
Burke in his recent career has played well in a 3 at Luton. Don’t know much about his earlier career but maybe he’s played well in a 4 before. Unfortunately he can’t play back to back games so that rules him outSo out of all of our centre backs, only one maybe has played well in a back 4 in their entire careers, and he’s not fit enough to start 2 games in a row. Yet according to your “professional experience” we don’t have the players to play a 3 (despite all the evidence of their whole careers playing in teams that play 3) and instead should be in a 4 (which virtually none of them have ever done well at in the past). Makes sense5 -
We also started the game against Middlesbrough in a back 4 and it was disastrous. So that time we weren’t just chasing the game0
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Lol how arlbout you respond to the points I actually made and not just make up ypur own counter arguments to arguments I havent made or already debunked. Look this is a waste of my time and I jave no desire to derail this thread for my fellow addicks. I have givin my experienced, professional and expert opinion, you have your opinions and its free country even illogical opinions are allowed.NabySarr said:
Gillesphey got promoted playing in a back 3 at Plymouth, he was then left out when they changed to a back 4 in the championship. He also obviously was promoted with us in a 3. Very obvious from his career that he’s better in a 3, he’s not good enough for the championship doing that but in a back 4 he’d be absolutely terrible at this levelRadostanradical said:
Luckily for you I have a bit of time today so will educate you. Firstly you cant compare going to a back 4 when we are actually chasing the game to starting in a 451 or 433, I dont think I need to expand on why.NabySarr said:
So how come all of our centre backs have only done well in a back 3 in their careers? Plenty of people that have played in the professional game have signed them to play in a 3 and played them in a 3. But there’s actually very little evidence that any of them can be centre backs in a 4 vs plenty of evidence they’ve been successful in a 3 at past clubs and hereRadostanradical said:Go four at the back. Its incredibly clear to anyone who has played the game at a professional level we do not have the CBs capable of playing in a 3, the gqme plan was so clear yesterday for Millwall - Bully Ramsey and Expose Macca hence why Coburn lined up againg LR and Azeez against Macca. When we play 3cbs there is an imperative for the WBs to get forward to provide and putlet but that exposes Macca.
Equally if go back 4 that gives us the chance to actually play with wingers, but that means he would have to admit he was wrong and play Apter in his actual position. Also the experiment has been run and the results are clear TC is not a striker, in fact the only time he looks effectives is when he is forced to go out to the wide. Lets just play him as a winger.
I don't think NJ will do any of this because he is a stubborn man and changing would admit he was wrong, also would mean binning off Kelman who he spent a lot of money on as dont think he can play up
top by himself.What’s actually clear is that we don’t have the defenders capable of playing in a 4. And if we are to switch our setup to a back 4 (I doubt this is the plan) we’d need to sign 2 good defenders at a minimum this week
We’ve switched to a 4 recently in a couple of games. Middlesbrough (disaster) and yesterday (another disaster)
Where was Macca successful playing as a CB in a back 3? He got promoted at from L1 with plymouth ill give you that and then was dropped once they got to championship, as for Kayne he was a RWB? Lloyd can play on a back 3 I accept and maybe Burke but thats no good when he is injured every 2 mins.
If we insist on staying witha back 3 we need to sign another 2 cbs who can actually play that formation and arent injury prone plus another WB or 2.
Look it’s cute you thought you had a point but my advice is not to die on this hill, arguing in favour of something that has no factual bearing.
Lloyd Jones didn’t really do anything in his career until he played well in a 3 at Cambridge and then signed for us, where he didn’t do well in a 4 (in fairness we were shite) but has been excellent in a 3 and it really suits his game.Amari’i Bell started out as a wing back, while at Luton he also started playing LCB in a 3 which he has continued to do very well for us. Really suits his game perfectly
Burke in his recent career has played well in a 3 at Luton. Don’t know much about his earlier career but maybe he’s played well in a 4 before. Unfortunately he can’t play back to back games so that rules him outSo out of all of our centre backs, only one maybe has played well in a back 4 in their entire careers, and he’s not fit enough to start 2 games in a row. Yet according to your “professional experience” we don’t have the players to play a 3 (despite all the evidence of their whole careers playing in teams that play 3) and instead should be in a 4 (which virtually none of them have ever done well at in the past). Makes sense
I have already throughly explained on this thread (and another) why I am right. Feel free to review them. I shant respnd anymore to you unless you respond showing you have actually read mynposts and are replying to what I have wrote not what you wish I have wrote
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