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Its called Football - so ban heading the ball
KingKinsella
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It's impossible to argue that it's safe to head a football. (-if you've done it already , your opinion is therefore invalid as you have brain damage)
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Time to ban heading the ball until you are physically and mentally an adult- thats about 21 ish.
Physical aspect- the the bones are stronger and fully formed .
After 21 you are a "responsible adult "and can give consent to damaging your own brain.
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Ban heading completely from all levels of football
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Have many people got CTE from heading a ball ? I know its in the news atm because of Gordon McQuuen, but It's not as if modern balls are anything like the waterlogged bricks of the past. Also teaching technique rather than avoiding all together probably makes more sense than completely banning all together.
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Make all players wear a cricket helmet7
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There is a world of difference between the footballs of my youth and the ones that have caused the problems for players that have created the headlines behind this issue. Today’s footballs are like balloons in comparison. Obviously there is an issue with today’s footballers in that hardly any of them seem to have had the benefit of real training and practice that we as kids had when if there was just 3 or 4 of us we would play 3 and in - probably why we could also cross a ball as well - and that we knew it would fucking hurt if we didn’t keep our eyes on the ball until the very last second and head the ball properly with direction, especially if the ball was wet.2
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might as well ban Boxing, Rugby etc...I could probably go on8
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The balls are the same weight Inflated to the same pressure I believe. So the physics are the same, momentum, kinetic energy etc.
(But I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.)
But allow people to make informed decisions, but perhaps a "No heading for U16" might be sensible.1 -
I work at a boys school with a mixed sixth form and I train a girls team.
Only one or two have played before, so we do a lot of the basic stuff. I’ve introduced very light heading, (when I say light, I mean two girls tossing the ball to each other to head back) but one of the girls point blank refuses to ever head the ball because she says her dad told her girls shouldn’t head the ball because it’s dangerous.
To be honest, I’m not going to push it because most of these girls have never played, they’re learning the game and I just want them to have fun, but I must admit it does seem a bit ott to me.
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I certainly think banning it to an older age would be a positive both for health and technique reasons more generally. Maybe u16 as suggested above.1
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The research is saying that yes balls are lighter, but they move a lot quicker now, so any ‘gain’ from weight is gone as they move 10-15 mph faster through the air. The current Puma ball used across the top 4 leagues in the UK a different beast to a Mitre ball from the 90s and a Nike from the early 2000susetobunkin said:The balls are the same weight Inflated to the same pressure I believe. So the physics are the same, momentum, kinetic energy etc.
(But I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.)
But allow people to make informed decisions, but perhaps a "No heading for U16" might be sensible.0 -
Tongue in cheek comment I assume, but I find the long passages of ball-heading, especially at levels below the Prem, a bit boring.
I remember reading that in the early days of football, when half the match was played with Rugby-like rules and the other half with Association-like rules, people used to find it odd that players headed the ball.0 -
I once stubbed my toe and it really hurt, should probably ban kicking the ball too.7
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If it's called football and that's absolute we should probably ban goalkeepers using their hands too then3
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In America its called soccer, so they are banning boots.Garrymanilow said:If it's called football and that's absolute we should probably ban goalkeepers using their hands too then1 -
It’s not so much as ‘boring’ and more ‘moronic’ when they do that. Most of them haven’t a fucking clue as to how to head a ball in the first place and all that seems to happen is it bounces off their head and loops a few yards forward where some other numpty does likewise and then that sequence goes on repeat a few times. WHY ?Arthur_Trudgill said:Tongue in cheek comment I assume, but I find the long passages of ball-heading, especially at levels below the Prem, a bit boring.
I remember reading that in the early days of football, when half the match was played with Rugby-like rules and the other half with Association-like rules, people used to find it odd that players headed the ball.0 -
If a ball is travelling toward you like a rocket then the simple answer is you don’t head it, although the likelihood of actually getting your head to it in time is significantly diminished anyway.Rothko said:
The research is saying that yes balls are lighter, but they move a lot quicker now, so any ‘gain’ from weight is gone as they move 10-15 mph faster through the air. The current Puma ball used across the top 4 leagues in the UK a different beast to a Mitre ball from the 90s and a Nike from the early 2000susetobunkin said:The balls are the same weight Inflated to the same pressure I believe. So the physics are the same, momentum, kinetic energy etc.
(But I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.)
But allow people to make informed decisions, but perhaps a "No heading for U16" might be sensible.
if you are a striker and your goalie or other teammate regularly pumps the ball up so high that it is gaining momentum on the way down then at the last minute you step back into the defender behind you and you either try and trap it or you try and flick it on or let it hit the ground and bounce over everyone’s heads. Then you make a mental note to tell your teammate that if they don’t stop pumping stupid balls like that you will smack them in the face.
If you are Lloyd Jones and you are having to deal with balls pumped high into our box then carry on, you already know how to head the ball properly.0 -
I watch my lad who's playing at U12 now, and they are still a bit weary of heading the ball, they were the first cohort to go through the ban whilst playing upto U11, and it seems to annoy parents more then anything, whilst most of them can kill a ball dead as it drops from the clouds2
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Athletico Charlton said:I certainly think banning it to an older age would be a positive both for health and technique reasons more generally. Maybe u16 as suggested above.Deliberate heading is currently not allowed in mini-football (7-a-side, small pitches and goals) from U7-U11. 11-a-side starts from U12 and currently heading is allowed at that age. Mini-football could, perhaps should, extend to perhaps U12/U13 and some grass roots leagues already do so.I think U16 is too old and once 11-a-side starts I think it would fundamentally change the nature of the game if heading was outlawed until U16.4
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Plus, there is also the age change coming in next year, where U13s will continue to play 9 a side, and won't play 11 a side till U14. So if you are going to ban heading, you might want to do it up to 14 or when they get to U16 and play on full sized pitches.3
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Pretty confident players probably head the ball less than they did 15–20 years ago, mainly because of tactical changes and the emphasis on ‘playing it out from the back.’ I reckon most headers these days are more glancing from corners and free kicks, rather than the square-on, centre-half clearance type. If that was the case, and I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to confirm or deny that it is, would it actually make a difference?0
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Would that be a bad thing? Who enjoys watching endless head tennis? Outside of L1 and L2 that’s changing anyway, with plastic pitches non league teams play fantastic and entertaining passing football. Arsenal are criticised for scoring from set pieces all the time because it’s boring.bobmunro said:Athletico Charlton said:I certainly think banning it to an older age would be a positive both for health and technique reasons more generally. Maybe u16 as suggested above.Deliberate heading is currently not allowed in mini-football (7-a-side, small pitches and goals) from U7-U11. 11-a-side starts from U12 and currently heading is allowed at that age. Mini-football could, perhaps should, extend to perhaps U12/U13 and some grass roots leagues already do so.I think U16 is too old and once 11-a-side starts I think it would fundamentally change the nature of the game if heading was outlawed until U16.
People kicked back against the back pass rule because it fundamentally changed the nature of the game but hard to argue it wasn’t a success0 -
fenaddick said:
Would that be a bad thing? Who enjoys watching endless head tennis? Outside of L1 and L2 that’s changing anyway, with plastic pitches non league teams play fantastic and entertaining passing football. Arsenal are criticised for scoring from set pieces all the time because it’s boring.bobmunro said:Athletico Charlton said:I certainly think banning it to an older age would be a positive both for health and technique reasons more generally. Maybe u16 as suggested above.Deliberate heading is currently not allowed in mini-football (7-a-side, small pitches and goals) from U7-U11. 11-a-side starts from U12 and currently heading is allowed at that age. Mini-football could, perhaps should, extend to perhaps U12/U13 and some grass roots leagues already do so.I think U16 is too old and once 11-a-side starts I think it would fundamentally change the nature of the game if heading was outlawed until U16.
People kicked back against the back pass rule because it fundamentally changed the nature of the game but hard to argue it wasn’t a successI'm not talking about head tennis - yes that's boring. I'm referring to defensive headers, attacking headers, challenging for the ball headers. Free kicks, corners, crosses would all change - no need for wingers and so on. It would look like 5-a-side played with 11-a-side.The back pass law change didn't fundamentally change the game - it was just something to avoid excessive shithousery.0 -
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Games gone…4
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Just ban all men's football at the Valley - certainly make my life happier atm and save a few bob too.5
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Oh I think the back pass law change is probably the most consequential law change since offside was introduced, completely changed the way football is played.bobmunro said:fenaddick said:
Would that be a bad thing? Who enjoys watching endless head tennis? Outside of L1 and L2 that’s changing anyway, with plastic pitches non league teams play fantastic and entertaining passing football. Arsenal are criticised for scoring from set pieces all the time because it’s boring.bobmunro said:Athletico Charlton said:I certainly think banning it to an older age would be a positive both for health and technique reasons more generally. Maybe u16 as suggested above.Deliberate heading is currently not allowed in mini-football (7-a-side, small pitches and goals) from U7-U11. 11-a-side starts from U12 and currently heading is allowed at that age. Mini-football could, perhaps should, extend to perhaps U12/U13 and some grass roots leagues already do so.I think U16 is too old and once 11-a-side starts I think it would fundamentally change the nature of the game if heading was outlawed until U16.
People kicked back against the back pass rule because it fundamentally changed the nature of the game but hard to argue it wasn’t a successI'm not talking about head tennis - yes that's boring. I'm referring to defensive headers, attacking headers, challenging for the ball headers. Free kicks, corners, crosses would all change - no need for wingers and so on. It would look like 5-a-side played with 11-a-side.The back pass law change didn't fundamentally change the game - it was just something to avoid excessive shithousery.1 -
What about Lloyd - you’d make him redundant ! 😉🤔🙂
On a serious note there is no right answer I guess but you can’t ignore the science completely0 -
Any sport has inherent risk, either in its primary aim (boxing) or as part of its make up (football, rugby).
Take out that risk, and you either ban the sport wholly or change it so radically that it no longer resembles the same sport.2 -
No heading = no long ball = tippy tappy = all right for 5 a side on a mini pitch, a game, a sport, but not as we know it1
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I think with the majority of our free kicks, corners and crosses never reaching their intended target we are already ahead of the curve when it comes to not heading the ball.3
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It’s already banned in youth football.KingKinsella said:It's impossible to argue that it's safe to head a football. (-if you've done it already , your opinion is therefore invalid as you have brain damage)
step 1
Time to ban heading the ball until you are physically and mentally an adult- thats about 21 ish.
Physical aspect- the the bones are stronger and fully formed .
After 21 you are a "responsible adult "and can give consent to damaging your own brain.
Step 2
Ban heading completely from all levels of football
Simple-
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Rothko said:
The research is saying that yes balls are lighter, but they move a lot quicker now, so any ‘gain’ from weight is gone as they move 10-15 mph faster through the air. The current Puma ball used across the top 4 leagues in the UK a different beast to a Mitre ball from the 90s and a Nike from the early 2000susetobunkin said:The balls are the same weight Inflated to the same pressure I believe. So the physics are the same, momentum, kinetic energy etc.
(But I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.)
But allow people to make informed decisions, but perhaps a "No heading for U16" might be sensible.The Ball
1. Qualities and measurements
All balls must be:
• spherical
• made of suitable material
• of a circumference of between 68 cm (27 ins) and 70 cm (28 ins)
• between 410 g (14 oz) and 450 g (16 oz) in weight at the start of the match
• of a pressure equal to 0.6–1.1 Amos
I think that has been the weight since the laws were first coded, the "Old" leather balls would increase weight considerably in wet conditions.
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