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Five second rule for throw ins and goal kicks?
Weegie Addick
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Proposed by IFAB according to Sky. I don’t like time wasting but five seconds for a throw in leaves no time for prep for a long throw / time for defenders to get forward. The penalty proposed is turnover of the throw and goal kick becomes a corner. Would keep the game moving but 8-10 seconds feels more realistic than 5. Spare a thought for the refs who’ll spend their whole match having to count!
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I would like to see players booked who deliberately prevent free kicks from being taken quickly/promptly by encroaching too close, normally within a few yards……sometimes running 10 to 20 yards to do so, it’s plainly intentional.
All too often, when told to retreat, they simply shuffle away backwards at a snails pace, which makes matters worse by really taking the piss.🤨🤨🤨6 -
Doesn’t matter what rule they bring in. They’ll enforce it for one or two weekends, then they’ll stop bothering, never mention it again, and hope we’ll all forget about it.14
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The five second rule always worked for food dropped on the floor, so why not!16
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10 seconds is better, gives you just enough time to set up for a long throw, if you're smart about it2
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Of course what's even better is stopping the clock every time the ball is out of play and cutting halves down to match, but it's never going to happen4
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That's the reason they've brought it in though. They want to stop the long throw routine that has now filled most premier league games.Weegie Addick said:Proposed by IFAB according to Sky. I don’t like time wasting but five seconds for a throw in leaves no time for prep for a long throw / time for defenders to get forward. The penalty proposed is turnover of the throw and goal kick becomes a corner. Would keep the game moving but 8-10 seconds feels more realistic than 5. Spare a thought for the refs who’ll spend their whole match having to count!
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Why should there be time to prepare? There'd be no time to prepare if the ball hadn't gone out of play. Surely the aim should just be to get the ball in play as quickly as possible.
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Can take more than five seconds to get ball back from the crowd1
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5 seconds just isn't practical in any way at all. I'd even say that 10 is a bit tight.
What if the taker is more than 5 seconds away from the ball?
What if the ball goes into the crowd and takes more than 5 seconds to be returned?
If a shot goes over or wide, how is the goalkeeper meant to get the ball, place it, take a run up and kick it in just 5 seconds?
As long as it's done reasonably quickly and the ref can tell the throw in taker or goalkeeper isn't taking the piss then just keep things as they are.4 -
Supporters will be getting red and yellow cards next, along with match bans for holding onto the ball for too long 😉MrOneLung said:Can take more than five seconds to get ball back from the crowd
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In theory it could work but I think it gives the ref too much to do. Many of them are not up to doing the basics of their job and adding a regular counting role is probably going to make things worse. Where it could work is if you have a seperate game timer in the stands. It could also make added time fairer. Having said that, some might not like the direction it pushes the game. If you want to stop the long throw you could just say you can't throw the ball into the penalty area you are attacking or you can refine that and say a throw can't reach the distance to the six yard box without touching the ground. That would be an easier way to stop it if you don't want it.1
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5 seconds from when though?
The only way remotely manageable would be for a throw in from when the player has the ball in hand and is in the correct position, and for a goal kick when the player taking the kick has placed the ball down to take it.
Any player can take those so teams in a position to want to time waste manage the game, will do so before the ball gets in those positions.1 -
It surely has to be from the moment the team gaining the throw has possession of the ball. That’ll just throw up different ways for players to waste time in getting the ball to hand. If it’s from when the ball goes out of play it’s unworkable unless the ref has some discretion. I’d much rather see shirt pulling come under scrutiny. It’s becoming a joke and it’s very ref dependent on whether it’s penalised or not. No consistency whatsoever. It’s becoming so endemic that it’s almost becoming accepted.1
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Yep, nearby player has to take the throw....... get the ball back on the pitch and play football....... whatever next.......!
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Another thing that is a wind up is when a player has the ball in his hands and then drops it's on the floor or waits for another player to come take the throw in wasting more time.0
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That would completely change the nature of the throw in, as apart form neutralising long throw routines, it would also mean that the player nearest the ball would often be the one taking the throw, rather than the team getting back into shape first, and the regular taker on that side (e.g. the left back on the left) taking it.
Tomorrow for example, after a long punt up the field, Lyndon Dykes battles with their right back and wins a throw in near the corner flag. As no other Charlton players are near him, instead of Dykes moving into the penalty area, he'll have to take the throw himself.1 -
May as well make it 1 second, it's not going to get enforced. Anyone remember the 8 second rule on goal kicks? I think I saw it enforced once on the opening weekend and I am yet to see a ref even remember to do the countdown since let alone see a team get a corner because the keeper was time wasting.1
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I think the 8 second rule for keeper's ball in hand is being enforced tbf, and that's the important oneGarrymanilow said:May as well make it 1 second, it's not going to get enforced. Anyone remember the 8 second rule on goal kicks? I think I saw it enforced once on the opening weekend and I am yet to see a ref even remember to do the countdown since let alone see a team get a corner because the keeper was time wasting.
This proposal is obviously nonsense. They're trying to optimise football and they're ruining it0 -
When are we, the customers, going to stop this self-appointed organisation (IFAB) ruining the game by thinking up untested laws.
Worse than the seconds 'wasted' at throw-ins is the 5+ minutes the officials waste while they play with their comms equipment. Gary Neville was correct the other day. The match should continue without VAR and comms between officials until the tech has been repaired. The linos could use flags - I think it could work !3 -
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We're getting off topic here but I don't think this is right. Imagine the furore if a decision was missed because the ref didn't see the lino flagging as he was looking in the other direction. We'd be hearing about it all week and how it makes the competition unfairHex said:When are we, the customers, going to stop this self-appointed organisation (IFAB) ruining the game by thinking up untested laws.
Worse than the seconds 'wasted' at throw-ins is the 5+ minutes the officials waste while they play with their comms equipment. Gary Neville was correct the other day. The match should continue without VAR and comms between officials until the tech has been repaired. The linos could use flags - I think it could work !0 -
Nearest player takes the throw.Chris_from_Sidcup said:5 seconds just isn't practical in any way at all. I'd even say that 10 is a bit tight.
What if the taker is more than 5 seconds away from the ball?
What if the ball goes into the crowd and takes more than 5 seconds to be returned?
If a shot goes over or wide, how is the goalkeeper meant to get the ball, place it, take a run up and kick it in just 5 seconds?
As long as it's done reasonably quickly and the ref can tell the throw in taker or goalkeeper isn't taking the piss then just keep things as they are.1 -
Like they did for the previous 100 plus years?fenaddick said:
We're getting off topic here but I don't think this is right. Imagine the furore if a decision was missed because the ref didn't see the lino flagging as he was looking in the other direction. We'd be hearing about it all week and how it makes the competition unfairHex said:When are we, the customers, going to stop this self-appointed organisation (IFAB) ruining the game by thinking up untested laws.
Worse than the seconds 'wasted' at throw-ins is the 5+ minutes the officials waste while they play with their comms equipment. Gary Neville was correct the other day. The match should continue without VAR and comms between officials until the tech has been repaired. The linos could use flags - I think it could work !1 -
Football is different, even 15 years ago we didn't have stadia designed specifically for noise to be as loud as possible on pitch. I bet if there was an earpiece available in 1907 the refs would have bitten your hand off for itRoss said:
Like they did for the previous 100 plus years?fenaddick said:
We're getting off topic here but I don't think this is right. Imagine the furore if a decision was missed because the ref didn't see the lino flagging as he was looking in the other direction. We'd be hearing about it all week and how it makes the competition unfairHex said:When are we, the customers, going to stop this self-appointed organisation (IFAB) ruining the game by thinking up untested laws.
Worse than the seconds 'wasted' at throw-ins is the 5+ minutes the officials waste while they play with their comms equipment. Gary Neville was correct the other day. The match should continue without VAR and comms between officials until the tech has been repaired. The linos could use flags - I think it could work !0 -
I reckon the crowd would do the counting!Weegie Addick said:Proposed by IFAB according to Sky. I don’t like time wasting but five seconds for a throw in leaves no time for prep for a long throw / time for defenders to get forward. The penalty proposed is turnover of the throw and goal kick becomes a corner. Would keep the game moving but 8-10 seconds feels more realistic than 5. Spare a thought for the refs who’ll spend their whole match having to count!
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I went to a SCEFL game at Princes Park on Wednesday and the ref was being assessed. You could clearly hear him counting down every time the goalie had the ball in his hands. It worked.3
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Get the countdown on the big screen to keep the pressure on.Plumstead_Micky said:
I reckon the crowd would do the counting!Weegie Addick said:Proposed by IFAB according to Sky. I don’t like time wasting but five seconds for a throw in leaves no time for prep for a long throw / time for defenders to get forward. The penalty proposed is turnover of the throw and goal kick becomes a corner. Would keep the game moving but 8-10 seconds feels more realistic than 5. Spare a thought for the refs who’ll spend their whole match having to count!
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Good idea, BUT, I would not like to see too many players red carded for 2 breaches of the 5 second rule .. perhaps 8 seconds is more appropriate, timed by the linesman (asst referee, whatever) as the ref will be too busy breaking up the grappling going on off the ball0
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fenaddick said:
Football is different, even 15 years ago we didn't have stadia designed specifically for noise to be as loud as possible on pitch. I bet if there was an earpiece available in 1907 the refs would have bitten your hand off for itRoss said:
Like they did for the previous 100 plus years?fenaddick said:
We're getting off topic here but I don't think this is right. Imagine the furore if a decision was missed because the ref didn't see the lino flagging as he was looking in the other direction. We'd be hearing about it all week and how it makes the competition unfairHex said:When are we, the customers, going to stop this self-appointed organisation (IFAB) ruining the game by thinking up untested laws.
Worse than the seconds 'wasted' at throw-ins is the 5+ minutes the officials waste while they play with their comms equipment. Gary Neville was correct the other day. The match should continue without VAR and comms between officials until the tech has been repaired. The linos could use flags - I think it could work !
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I like this. And we could make sure the clock runs slightly faster for the away team and slightly slower for us.fenlandaddick said:
Get the countdown on the big screen to keep the pressure on.Plumstead_Micky said:
I reckon the crowd would do the counting!Weegie Addick said:Proposed by IFAB according to Sky. I don’t like time wasting but five seconds for a throw in leaves no time for prep for a long throw / time for defenders to get forward. The penalty proposed is turnover of the throw and goal kick becomes a corner. Would keep the game moving but 8-10 seconds feels more realistic than 5. Spare a thought for the refs who’ll spend their whole match having to count!
Then we could maybe install a sniper on the roof as the ultimate deterent for taking too long.6
