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up_the_valley

Alwaysneil said:

That's complete crepe and you know it

Who's egged you on? on the flip side, a bit saucy.

up_the_valley

Mods will toss this thread away.

Cafc451

Keep it going.

up_the_valley

Cafc451 said:

Keep it going.

Nah, it'll be panned.

Covered End

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

Yet it's only a few of you that continually complain.

Covered End

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Henry Irving

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

CaptainRobbo

Weegie Addick said:

We need more awareness, visibility and calls to action in the immediate local area. Too many people don’t even know The Valley is on their doorstep. 

If only we had the National Train Museum on our doorstep.

Ducktapeshoerepairs

Cafc451 said:

I know bluewater was a pop up shop but must of made them money.

Very little I’d imagine. 

Alwaysneil

This revenue number, if you bring match day catering in house, do you ignore cost of sales or is it revenue net of costs?

valleynick66

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

Yet it's only a few of you that continually complain.

We are discussing absent sales arent we? Im
offering an explanation. 

We used to proudly boast about offering affordable prices. 

valleynick66

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

Covered End

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

So you think going out for a family meal is cheaper?

Not in my experience.

Relegation causes attendances to fall because many “fans” don’t want to watch L1 football.

We sell most tickets the higher the league we are in, the same as every club.

People use streaming because they can watch for free, a bit like recording the TV or taping off the radio in the past.

It may or may not be about affordability.

I think an adult S/T in the lower covered end is £395 / £17 a game.

My local cinema is £14.

letthegoodtimesroll

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

A wild guess on my part but would your expensive meal cost include drinks and optional service charge ? Add the cost of the same drinks to the cost of your Charlton ticket, plus the Charlton obligatory ‘service charge’ (otherwise known as the booking fee) and I suspect the trip to The Valley might be more expensive 

valleynick66

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

So you think going out for a family meal is cheaper?

Not in my experience.

Relegation causes attendances to fall because many “fans” don’t want to watch L1 football.

We sell most tickets the higher the league we are in, the same as every club.

People use streaming because they can watch for free, a bit like recording the TV or taping off the radio in the past.

It may or may not be about affordability.

I think an adult S/T in the lower covered end is £395 / £17 a game.

My local cinema is £14.

Again I didn’t quite say a family meal is cheaper. But you might yes take the kids for a cheaper treat at McDonald’s or similar or maybe something else. Likewise there are ways of going to the cinema for less. 

My main point was always price tickets recognising what families / fans might alternatively spend on. 

We clearly don’t agree that price is holding back some which is where I started. 

I also made the point this is not Charlton specific. 

letthegoodtimesroll

valleynick66 said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

So you think going out for a family meal is cheaper?

Not in my experience.

Relegation causes attendances to fall because many “fans” don’t want to watch L1 football.

We sell most tickets the higher the league we are in, the same as every club.

People use streaming because they can watch for free, a bit like recording the TV or taping off the radio in the past.

It may or may not be about affordability.

I think an adult S/T in the lower covered end is £395 / £17 a game.

My local cinema is £14.

Again I didn’t quite say a family meal is cheaper. But you might yes take the kids for a cheaper treat at McDonald’s or similar or maybe something else. Likewise there are ways of going to the cinema for less. 

My main point was always price tickets recognising what families / fans might alternatively spend on. 

We clearly don’t agree that price is holding back some which is where I started. 

I also made the point this is not Charlton specific. 

It probably is something we are doing or not doing. Of the 23 other championship clubs last season, 15 had higher average attendances and 6 of the rest only had lower attendances because their grounds are smaller than The Valley; and that table posted early on in this thread albeit adjusted for teams that will be in the Championship this coming season puts  Charlton capacity usage in the bottom 4. A promotion  chasing season obviously helps bring extra fans in but that can’t be the only reason.

letthegoodtimesroll

letthegoodtimesroll said:

valleynick66 said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

So you think going out for a family meal is cheaper?

Not in my experience.

Relegation causes attendances to fall because many “fans” don’t want to watch L1 football.

We sell most tickets the higher the league we are in, the same as every club.

People use streaming because they can watch for free, a bit like recording the TV or taping off the radio in the past.

It may or may not be about affordability.

I think an adult S/T in the lower covered end is £395 / £17 a game.

My local cinema is £14.

Again I didn’t quite say a family meal is cheaper. But you might yes take the kids for a cheaper treat at McDonald’s or similar or maybe something else. Likewise there are ways of going to the cinema for less. 

My main point was always price tickets recognising what families / fans might alternatively spend on. 

We clearly don’t agree that price is holding back some which is where I started. 

I also made the point this is not Charlton specific. 

It probably is something we are doing or not doing. Of the 23 other championship clubs last season, 15 had higher average attendances and 6 of the rest only had lower attendances because their grounds are smaller than The Valley; and that table posted early on in this thread albeit adjusted for teams that will be in the Championship this coming season puts  Charlton capacity usage in the bottom 4. A promotion  chasing season obviously helps bring extra fans in but that can’t be the only reason.

To make a separate point, that capacity usage table may be pointing to FOMO being the key driver for attendances. 

My argument has basically long been ST prices need to be set to reduce the match by match ticket availability. The current approach of having to sell 12k match day tickets every home match and ending up leaving 7k unsold on average just seems counterproductive to me.

Crispywood

letthegoodtimesroll said:

valleynick66 said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

valleynick66 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

valleynick66 said:

sam3110 said:

I don't think people are priced out of coming, there's just not enough demand as it stands for us to sell 24k seats every home game.

Make it a tenner all season and we still won't sell out every game, and make fuck all money too

Not true in my opinion. 

The ticket price needs to be mindful of the alternative activity a person or family might spend it on. 

Football is expensive now particularly if going as a family group and given the  variability in product / value then on a limited budget choices will be made. 

Individually you can more easily justify the price but getting someone to go with say teenage kids and a decent view then it’s a bigger ask. Even more so than cheaper alternative activities. 

I go with my 2 kids. 
My girl is 11 and free.
My boy is 13 and about £150. 
I think my ticket was about £400 from memory. 
So, say £550 for 72 tickets to games in a season about £7.65 per ticket. 
I then take water and food in with me. 

90mins entertainment (arguable for some games 🤣).  It's amazing value for families.

Less so when the kids are older. I mentioned teenagers particularly. 

Also pricier on a match by match basis which is the reality for some who can’t stretch to a season ticket / don’t want the credit option. 

I’m not saying Charlton are unique in this. My observation is that football is now a relatively expensive hobby compared to say the cinema / eating out etc. 

Yes you can find more expensive options to compare to but you get my point. 

Football is more expensive than the cinema.
But more expensive than eating out?
I suppose if someone's idea of eating out is McDonalds then yes, but there's no way I'd go out for a meal with the wife and it costs less than 2 Charlton tickets.

Totally agree, even takeaway is £60 + for two

The context was in terms of alternate spend for a (young ish) family treat / alternative.  

As I said you can of course find more expensive options / comparisons but I think you miss the point I make if you defend football (generally) as a non expensive (regular) hobby. 

Covid / cost of living/ relegation etc. shows people find alternate things to do with their money and the perceived value of those. 

Why do people on here discuss using dodgy streams for example to follow the club when the legitimate price is already cheaper than match day ticket prices?

I

So you think going out for a family meal is cheaper?

Not in my experience.

Relegation causes attendances to fall because many “fans” don’t want to watch L1 football.

We sell most tickets the higher the league we are in, the same as every club.

People use streaming because they can watch for free, a bit like recording the TV or taping off the radio in the past.

It may or may not be about affordability.

I think an adult S/T in the lower covered end is £395 / £17 a game.

My local cinema is £14.

Again I didn’t quite say a family meal is cheaper. But you might yes take the kids for a cheaper treat at McDonald’s or similar or maybe something else. Likewise there are ways of going to the cinema for less. 

My main point was always price tickets recognising what families / fans might alternatively spend on. 

We clearly don’t agree that price is holding back some which is where I started. 

I also made the point this is not Charlton specific. 

It probably is something we are doing or not doing. Of the 23 other championship clubs last season, 15 had higher average attendances and 6 of the rest only had lower attendances because their grounds are smaller than The Valley; and that table posted early on in this thread albeit adjusted for teams that will be in the Championship this coming season puts  Charlton capacity usage in the bottom 4. A promotion  chasing season obviously helps bring extra fans in but that can’t be the only reason.

I think it has more to do in the last 10 years we would have hardly gained any fans because of how terrible we’ve been, with no care for fan engagement with numerous other London clubs doing far better than us and we’re not exactly a big club for this level 

ShootersHillGuru

Certainly the ticket pricing needs to be good and targeted but I still maintain that the most important aspect of getting bums on seats isn’t the price of tickets but about watching a team that is winning and challenging for something. Playing free flowing and entertaining football is an optional extra. Win games and they will come. 

Stig

ShootersHillGuru said:

Certainly the ticket pricing needs to be good and targeted but I still maintain that the most important aspect of getting bums on seats isn’t the price of tickets but about watching a team that is winning and challenging for something. Playing free flowing and entertaining football is an optional extra. Win games and they will come. 

I think you're spot-on that winning is the most important element. No-one wants to have a day out and then go home with that sinking feeling of having lost. With that in mind, I'd think the best thing we could do would be to push our win ratio up from 39% to something closer to, or better still over, 50%. Give people the hope that they have a better than even chance of seeing the team win.

That said, I don't think we can afford to relegate decent football to the level of being an 'optional extra'. That approach might work for committed fans, but they are going to attend anyway. If you want previously uncommitted local people to come back after seeing us, you've got to entertain them. Parking the bus and hoping for the best is never going to achieve that. People can see some fantastic quality football beamed free into their living rooms. We've got to offer something rather more entertaining than you might see in a park kick about if you want people to feel good about their day out.

Of course, that presents a massive challenge. How do you win and entertain whilst remaining affordable and within league spending rules?  I certainly don't envy the board in trying to solve that conundrum. But I am certain that we need to gradually evolve from being an efficient game-stopping side into something that's rather more fun if we ever want to progress. 

letthegoodtimesroll

ShootersHillGuru said:

Certainly the ticket pricing needs to be good and targeted but I still maintain that the most important aspect of getting bums on seats isn’t the price of tickets but about watching a team that is winning and challenging for something. Playing free flowing and entertaining football is an optional extra. Win games and they will come. 

I wouldn’t argue with that being the most important but I also think there are now other drivers that are bringing people and new fans to the game these days. The dynamics and demographics somehow seem to have taken a paradigm shift in recent years which us old  boys probably unintentionally helped set in motion by bringing kids and grandkids along, generally accepting Charlton have been shit and showing everyone else to not let the football spoil a good day out.

I also suspect that not enough credit has been given to Southgate for the upturn in England’s performances in recent years and the collective feel good factor about going to a game (until England lose) that’s plastered all over social media. Given what already been shown so far in this World Cup, continuing that second half performance into the rest of England’s games could provide a nice little boost to the new season and attendances (if we don’t discourage people/fans from going along to a Charlton match and then coming back.

TelMc32

Weegie Addick said:

We need more awareness, visibility and calls to action in the immediate local area. Too many people don’t even know The Valley is on their doorstep. 

I’ve said this for the last few years. Even in the local vicinity of The Valley, a few thousand new homes have gone up recently. Have we ever targeted these new residents? Worked with developers on promotions, highlighting the relative affordability and friendliness/history of the club? It may only get a few to give us a try but it shouldn’t be difficult to do, targeting some of the bigger games and specials (Kids for a Quid, Red, White &Black Day, Her Game) to see what’s possible. 

We can even point to the new state of the art cycle lanes that Greenwich Council & TfL are putting in, just for us, to highlight our sustainability goals 😉

Henry Irving

TelMc32 said:

Weegie Addick said:

We need more awareness, visibility and calls to action in the immediate local area. Too many people don’t even know The Valley is on their doorstep. 

I’ve said this for the last few years. Even in the local vicinity of The Valley, a few thousand new homes have gone up recently. Have we ever targeted these new residents? Worked with developers on promotions, highlighting the relative affordability and friendliness/history of the club? It may only get a few to give us a try but it shouldn’t be difficult to do, targeting some of the bigger games and specials (Kids for a Quid, Red, White &Black Day, Her Game) to see what’s possible. 

We can even point to the new state of the art cycle lanes that Greenwich Council & TfL are putting in just for us to highlight our sustainability goals 😉

We don't need long term strategic plans like this that take planning and long term implementation, we just need to cut prices and rely on beer sales to make up the drop in income 🤪

The ideas you list all make sense but require effective, long term, on the ground leadership.

We don't have a CEO, no operations director as far as we know, an experienced but interim finance director and a new commercial manager.

There is also no new version of Target 40k. The Advisory board has already shown, in the way it has undermined the regional supporters' groups, that it's not strategic.

Despite all the shortcomings, mens crowds were up, the mens team stayed up, the women went up which will improve the whole club's profile.  There is definately a base to build on.

Off_it

Henry Irving said:

There is also no new version of Target 40k. The Advisory board has already shown, in the way it has undermined the regional supporters' groups, that it's not strategic.

What was that then?

Billy_Mix

Cafc451 said:

Yet more statistics for statistics' sake
For estimating revenue the average attendance is the relevant factor, not what proportion of the stadium was unused.
It may be of passing interest that some clubs' only opportunity for raising matchday revenue will be significant price increases.
Safe to say WetSpam's matchday revenue will nosedive, way beyond their rent reduction.
Porno king chairman drenched in grotty allegations, bloated squad on premier league money, a season of turmoil awaits.  Should be a hoot!
Haven't yet seen football at our Olympic Stadium (athletics and hard rock, brilliant for both) but fear the Irons' ticket prices for visitors this coming season will royally take the piss, beyond the point that makes the trip worthwhile. 

SouthLincsAddick

An average crowd of 20k last season is pretty damn good, boosted I’m sure by the fact it was the first year in the championship. Even if we were challenging for the playoffs (and why would we when we’ll have a bottom six player budget) I don’t think we’d sell out every week. We are a mid sized team with a mid size support. We’d only grow that substantially by a prolonged spell in the PL. Now it’s harder for owners to pump millions into a small club you have to grow in other ways. Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth have done it with recruitment, making huge profits on their players and Wrexham have done it with huge sponsorship deals, some of which are legit, thanks to their massive exposure on Disney+. It’s telling that the owners at Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have instigated and wholeheartedly backed the data driven recruitment/style of play model that means the club always recruits for that particular style of play, including the manager. It means amazing consistency and future proofing for those teams. It has to come from the top otherwise the model doesn’t get the backing it needs to survive over many years. So far, I can’t see our owners going down that route. Currently we have a steady, sustainable building approach, similar to Millwall, which I think is best for us, clearly a section of the supporters are not so patient.

msomerton

Well, the owners should have a good understanding, of the changed demographics of the London area and more so the immediate boroughs aronear the Valley. For example the average age for Greenwich is 35, but if you look at the home crowds at the Valley, it is older than that,
Just an example of demographics.