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Keeper Timeouts are no more
fenaddick
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The Football Association, Premier League, English Football League, National League and Women's Super League have agreed on the measure, pending permission from the International Football Association Board (Ifab).
Earlier this year, Ifab decided against changing the law and invited leagues to volunteer for trials.
Pro Ref, led by chief refereeing officer Howard Webb, has been in discussions with the leagues to determine how to tackle the issue. It settled on a team having to remove an outfield player from the field.
If a referee signals that the physio can come on to treat a goalkeeper, the coach will have 10 seconds to nominate another player to leave the pitch for one minute, telling the fourth official of their choice.
If no player has been selected within 10 seconds, the captain must leave the field.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clyjxd53zkpo
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I'd caveat that by saying if the keeper has to subbed because of this injury then no player has to leave the field.4
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Goodfenaddick said:The Football Association, Premier League, English Football League, National League and Women's Super League have agreed on the measure, pending permission from the International Football Association Board (Ifab).
Earlier this year, Ifab decided against changing the law and invited leagues to volunteer for trials.
Pro Ref, led by chief refereeing officer Howard Webb, has been in discussions with the leagues to determine how to tackle the issue. It settled on a team having to remove an outfield player from the field.
If a referee signals that the physio can come on to treat a goalkeeper, the coach will have 10 seconds to nominate another player to leave the pitch for one minute, telling the fourth official of their choice.
If no player has been selected within 10 seconds, the captain must leave the field.
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If the keeper is fouled then no one has to leave the fieldLargeAddick said:I'd caveat that by saying if the keeper has to subbed because of this injury then no player has to leave the field.
In the same way that any player going down injured doesn’t have to if it was a foul given by the ref0 -
About time. No more of this nonsense this season then unless you want to go a man down for a minute. Lost count how many times we pulled this flanker last season. Within the laws then of course3
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It presents an interesting opportunity to get a tactical instruction over to the winger on the opposite side of the pitch. I highly doubt it would be used that cynically but I'm sure there will be something that managers find to use1
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Well that’s, that then... We're doomed - In all serious good call, and probably the best decision they could have madeDoes look there are caveats to the rule, so if the Keeper gets subbed, then a player wont have to leave the field. Same as well if the physio isn't needed - But then cant a Goalkeeper go down, pretend to be injured, and just say to the referee: "No I'm fine... I just need a minute", whilst everyone rushes over to Nathan Jones2
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I think there will be a loophole used by some that if a player is fouled and needs treatment then no one has to go off for a minute. So managers could tell a keeper or player that’s fouled to stay down and get treatment and therefore be able to have a break and team talk etcfenaddick said:It presents an interesting opportunity to get a tactical instruction over to the winger on the opposite side of the pitch. I highly doubt it would be used that cynically but I'm sure there will be something that managers find to use0 -
I thought FIFA missed a trick during the WC. When the Hydration break was signalled the drinks should have been brought onto the pitch by 4th official & placed in the centre circle. No players to leave the pitch & no coach/manager allowed onto it.
Something similar maybe for injury "timeout". All players congregate in the centre circle or their own penalty boxes.9 -
I've seen it in non league too. And with the smaller crowds, you could hear the manager telling the keeper to go downshirty5 said:About time. No more of this nonsense this season then unless you want to go a man down for a minute. Lost count how many times we pulled this flanker last season. Within the laws then of course
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The goalkeeper "injury" time-out really boiled my piss last season; it was so fake and so pathetic. It was embarassing to watch and even worse because it was our own side (mainly) doing it.
We'll see how the refs deal with this before we move on to the "defending" of corners and free kicks around the box (or "synchronised hugging" to give it its technical term).3 -
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They missed a trick by not just setting the sprinkler system on for a couple of minutes and kept the game going during those hydration breaks.golfaddick said:I thought FIFA missed a trick during the WC. When the Hydration break was signalled the drinks should have been brought onto the pitch by 4th official & placed in the centre circle. No players to leave the pitch & no coach/manager allowed onto it.
Something similar maybe for injury "timeout". All players congregate in the centre circle or their own penalty boxes.3 -
Won't the player that's fouled have to go off for a minute?NabySarr said:
I think there will be a loophole used by some that if a player is fouled and needs treatment then no one has to go off for a minute. So managers could tell a keeper or player that’s fouled to stay down and get treatment and therefore be able to have a break and team talk etcfenaddick said:It presents an interesting opportunity to get a tactical instruction over to the winger on the opposite side of the pitch. I highly doubt it would be used that cynically but I'm sure there will be something that managers find to use0 -
I’m not sure if they have to if it’s a foul. Think it might just be fouls that result in yellow cards actually - but still anytime there’s a booking players will get the physio on if the manager wants to do a team talkO-Randy-Hunt said:
Won't the player that's fouled have to go off for a minute?NabySarr said:
I think there will be a loophole used by some that if a player is fouled and needs treatment then no one has to go off for a minute. So managers could tell a keeper or player that’s fouled to stay down and get treatment and therefore be able to have a break and team talk etcfenaddick said:It presents an interesting opportunity to get a tactical instruction over to the winger on the opposite side of the pitch. I highly doubt it would be used that cynically but I'm sure there will be something that managers find to use0 -
They can still take a timeout if they don’t need a physio.0
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Gonna suddenly see a lot of captain goalkeepers7
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Clear this up.
If the keeper is injured due to a foul by an opponent does this protocol still apply?2 -
No. There are exceptions.jose said:Clear this up.
If the keeper is injured due to a foul by an opponent does this protocol still apply?
When the goalkeeper says he does not need a physio and there has been no delay to play
When a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided
If a goalkeeper has been fouled and requires immediate attention
If a goalkeeper is bleeding
and if there is a serious injury (has to be substituted) or concussion.
Strangely there is no explicit mention of the situation if a goalkeeper has collided with the frame of the goal.0 -
cafcfan said:
No. There are exceptions.jose said:Clear this up.
If the keeper is injured due to a foul by an opponent does this protocol still apply?
When the goalkeeper says he does not need a physio and there has been no delay to play
When a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided
If a goalkeeper has been fouled and requires immediate attention
If a goalkeeper is bleeding
and if there is a serious injury (has to be substituted) or concussion.
Strangely there is no explicit mention of the situation if a goalkeeper has collided with the frame of the goal.
So we'll have a bloodgate scandal like the rugger chaps?3 -
It will be interesting to see how teams immediately try and think of ways to get around this. The rule about keepers getting rid of the ball quicker was largely ignored after the first few games last season and I imagine it won't be long before teams just realise that a keeper and an outfield player colliding is a potentially fairly broad rule. How's that decided? If you're under the cosh and the keeper goes up for a high ball, and the attacker makes contact who decides whether it qualifies as a collision? Unless that's clear I don't see how the ref wanting to take a player off the pitch so you'll probably still see the keeper ask for the physio there. Fouls are also often given if the keeper gets some contact off a high ball so again that will be used. I imagine there will be some mysterious keeper head injuries as well. I also do wonder if you're getting absolutely hammered and the manager needs to get some information across if teams might think it's worthwhile to tell the keeper to go down, take a striker off for a minute, disrupt the flow of the game and reset the way the team are playing. One minute with 10 men is better than a goal, especially if you can get hold of the ball and waste that minute as much as possible2
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They’d be better off making it stricter. Keeper has to go off straight away, sub keeper goes in for minimum of five minutes.3
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Just bring in a rule to ban the players and the coaching staff taking part in a tactical talk when stoppages arise. Players to remain around the centre of the pitch until the match restarts.3
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Maybe we can have hydration breaks instead 👹2
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You’re stating the bleeding obviousiaitch said:cafcfan said:
No. There are exceptions.jose said:Clear this up.
If the keeper is injured due to a foul by an opponent does this protocol still apply?
When the goalkeeper says he does not need a physio and there has been no delay to play
When a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided
If a goalkeeper has been fouled and requires immediate attention
If a goalkeeper is bleeding
and if there is a serious injury (has to be substituted) or concussion.
Strangely there is no explicit mention of the situation if a goalkeeper has collided with the frame of the goal.
So we'll have a bloodgate scandal like the rugger chaps?3 -
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I hope it wasn't all in vein?thai malaysia addick said:
You’re stating the bleeding obviousiaitch said:cafcfan said:
No. There are exceptions.jose said:Clear this up.
If the keeper is injured due to a foul by an opponent does this protocol still apply?
When the goalkeeper says he does not need a physio and there has been no delay to play
When a goalkeeper and an outfield player have collided
If a goalkeeper has been fouled and requires immediate attention
If a goalkeeper is bleeding
and if there is a serious injury (has to be substituted) or concussion.
Strangely there is no explicit mention of the situation if a goalkeeper has collided with the frame of the goal.
So we'll have a bloodgate scandal like the rugger chaps?1 -
Good . All game wasting should be cut out1
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They need to ban players from going to the manager/coaches while the goalkeeper is being treated. A 30 metre exclusion zone should do it.2
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so much easier than what is being implementedTunwellsaddick said:Just bring in a rule to ban the players and the coaching staff taking part in a tactical talk when stoppages arise. Players to remain around the centre of the pitch until the match restarts.1 -
It really isn't. It's much easier to keep one player off the pitch than 21 players in a small area where they can still hear the coach anywaySporadicAddick said:
so much easier than what is being implementedTunwellsaddick said:Just bring in a rule to ban the players and the coaching staff taking part in a tactical talk when stoppages arise. Players to remain around the centre of the pitch until the match restarts.0
