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Hydration break??

Weegie Addick
Weegie Addick Posts: 17,732
in General Charlton

Kind of expected a thread on this already? The second half one totally messed with the momentum of the game which was just getting really open and attacking from both teams.

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 101,531
    Wasn't too bothered by it... I hate the heat and the last few days have felt like hell going outside in the afternoon, so pity the players having to run around out there.

    Jones mentioned in his Pre-Match Press Conference that they'll happen on a game by game basis, at the discretion of the referee, and are clearly there for the players, rather than to sneak in any ad breaks like what was done during the World Cup.

    Is a problem if they start happening around November etc. 
  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,890
    https://community.thefa.com/referees/b/fa-guidance/posts/water-cooling-breaks
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,496
    The need of this thread imo is to discuss the parts in bold below

    To minimise the risk of players and match officials suffering heat related illness, drinks / cooling breaks can be utilised during unusually hot weather conditions. The following process should be followed.

    The referee will assess the temperature on the pitch on their arrival at the ground.
    If it is likely the temperature at the time of kick-off will reach 25 degrees celsius or above, the match referee can advise the teams that a cooling break is allowed to be implement. This should be confirmed to representative from each club and the two club captains prior to kick off. A drinks break can take place providing both teams agree at temperatures lower than 25 degrees celsius. 

    1. Is 25 degrees 'unusually hot'?

    2. Should teams be allowed to agree at temperatures below 25 degrees?

    Imo:
    1. It should be over 30 degrees
    2. Definitely not.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,486
    After we equalised, Derby dominated the play for several minutes so it was too CAFC advantage that the Water break occurred.
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,985
    edited August 16
    Several points come to mind.  Firstly, humans are very poor at determining temperatures so any rule across football can only work fairly if based on instrument readings.  After all, we have different heatwave temperatures for different parts of the country.  Secondly, temperature is the wrong measure.  Humidity is the bigger problem but we tend to measure relative humidity which needs the temperature as well to make sense of it so complicates any rules.  So, we should probably base a rule on dew point (technically the temperature we would need to cool the air to so that the water vapour condenses).  This scale gives a single figure regardless of temperature.  Lastly, the red alert earlier in the year was due principally to the dew points.  We have had similar temperatures since without red warnings.  Yesterday I found sitting in the AC stand almost unbearable.  The temperature was not high at all (25C ?) but the dew point was (roughly 20C).

    Here's a chart from Google AI of how dew point makes us feel.

    UK Comfort Scale by Dew Point
    In the UK's temperate climate, people generally start noticing atmospheric moisture and discomfort at lower thresholds than in tropical regions: [1]
    • Below 10°C: Dry and crisp; very comfortable for most people.
    • 10°C to 15°C: Comfortable and pleasant.
    • 15°C to 18°C: Humidity becomes noticeable; starting to feel a bit close for some.
    • 18°C to 21°C: Muggy and humid; sweat does not evaporate easily, making it feel sticky.
    • Above 21°C: Very humid, oppressive, and tropical-feeling for the UK.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,587
    When it is very hot it is fair enough. Yesterday qualified as fair enough. In the World cup we were getting them in air conditioned stadiums and when the summer ends we won't be getting any in the UK.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,540
    Humidity was horrible at the game yesterday, so it was fine 
  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,720
    I don’t think it should be at the referee or anyone’s discretion. It should be a simple combination of temperature/humidity taken at some point before kickoff (15 mins), and at the end of the first half. And it should be announced to the crowd that there will be a break. Simple. 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 30,103
    Fully expected it. The League, the clubs and the officials all have a duty of care towards the players. On a day like yesterday it would be silly not to have one. I hate the creeping commercialism of automatically introducing hydration breaks to every match, but when it's genuinely hot it's just the sensible thing to do. 
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,985
    SomervilleAddick said:
    I don’t think it should be at the referee or anyone’s discretion. It should be a simple combination of temperature/humidity taken at some point before kickoff (15 mins), and at the end of the first half. And it should be announced to the crowd that there will be a break. Simple. 
     = dew point

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  • Curbsgoldenera
    Curbsgoldenera Posts: 4,233
    edited August 16
    At the game yesterday and they made a point of announcing hydration breaks would be taken when the temperature was over 25 degrees and specifically said at that point it was 26.1 degrees.
    Noticed our players making use of it to take on fluids and having cooling towels on their necks.
    Referees also cooling down.
    Think the first one came at a good time for us as Derby had just scored and it disrupted their play to some extent plus NJ and the team could get instructions to the team.
  • gringo
    gringo Posts: 1,592
    It was also to replace the "keeper injury" team-talks. Be interesting to see if keepers suddenly develop more "injuries" once the cold weather eliminates the need for "hydration".
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 101,531
    gringo said:
    It was also to replace the "keeper injury" team-talks. Be interesting to see if keepers suddenly develop more "injuries" once the cold weather eliminates the need for "hydration".
    Probably not, as if the Goalkeeper goes down when they're not injured, an nominated outfield player has to go off for 30secs
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,813
    It was hot yesterday to be fair 
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,614
    Put this on the other thread but…

    The absolute japes that the 22 overpaid prima-donna athletes get an unnecessary extra hydration break to the deficit of the 20,000 paying audience yet that same audience gets to queue for 20-minutes at half time in sweltering concourse heat to pay over-the-odds for bottled water to be told it’s run out…
    Duty of care my arse…
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,541
    Fumbluff said:
    Put this on the other thread but…

    The absolute japes that the 22 overpaid prima-donna athletes get an unnecessary extra hydration break to the deficit of the 20,000 paying audience yet that same audience gets to queue for 20-minutes at half time in sweltering concourse heat to pay over-the-odds for bottled water to be told it’s run out…
    Duty of care my arse…
    Jesus wept
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,495
    My main problem with it yesterday was that it was done at the request of the Derby captain just after they scored. The ref wasn't going to order it, or at least then, until their captain went up to him and asked for it. 
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,376
    SomervilleAddick said:
    I don’t think it should be at the referee or anyone’s discretion. It should be a simple combination of temperature/humidity taken at some point before kickoff (15 mins), and at the end of the first half. And it should be announced to the crowd that there will be a break. Simple. 
    I bet the Fire Fighters wish they were footballers.

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