Comparing 25/26 to 26/27 game by game

MrOneLung

shirty5 said:

After 10 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 13th 14pts

25/26: 9th 15pts

19/20: 8th 17pts

15/16: 17th 10pts

14/15: 7th 18pts

13/14: 21st 7pts

12/13: 15th 12pts

08/09: 14th 13pts

07/08: 2nd 19pts

99/00: 2nd 22pts

97/98: 3rd 19pts

96/97: 23rd 10pts

95/96: 4th 16pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

Golfie says can this be formatted in points order rather than date order so we can see how we are doing easier...

Callumcafc

SporadicAddick said:

Callumcafc said:

jimmymelrose said:

cantersaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Off_it said:

golfaddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

Fixture - Points 25/26 - Points 26/27 - Difference - Cumulative Difference

West Brom (A) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Stoke (A) - 0 - 0 - 0 - +9

QPR (H) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Portsmouth (H) - 0 - 1 - +1 - +10

With last season’s results we’d have 2 points (draws against WBA and QPR) from the first seven games. Instead we have 12. Next Saturday (Leicester away) would be our first three points of the season.

The first time this season where we’ve come away with a worse result in an equivalent fixture from last season (Leicester (A), who were paired with Cardiff).

Cardiff (A) - 3 - 0 - -3 - +7

From these eight equivalent fixtures last year we accumulated 5 points. Currently we go into the first international break with 12.

Too many dashes to be understandable at a glance. Are you into Morse code ?

Mate, this clearly isn't for you, which is fair enough. But don't come on here and criticise every bloody week when someone is doing something a bit different. Just don't open the thread.

It is a message board suited for opinion, and @golfaddick is never abusive, he solely puts an opinion across.

In this case tho his opinion is simply "I don't like this". What he cant accept is that others do like this. Not everyone has to change everything for him because he doesnt like it. The entitlement is mad. 

’Entitlement’.  I don’t know whether this or ’manipulation’ (edit: ’humble’ gets a nomination) is the most overused word of the decade.

He doesn’t necessarily think that everything has to change for him. Perhaps he thinks it would be easier for everyone.  I don’t understand myself how -3 -0 - - 3 + 7 works. I make it 7, given that 2 minuses makes a plus.

Deary me. It’s just a dash to separate columns in a forum post that doesn’t support tables…

If you’d prefer slashes instead, here you go

Bristol City (H) / 0 / 1 / +1 / +8

Burnley (A) / 3 / 1 / -2 / +6 (Burnley, 19th paired with Ipswich, 2nd)

I don't understand fractions.

shirty5

After 11 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 17th 14pts

25/26: 5th 18pts

19/20: 10th 18pts

15/16: 20th 10pts

14/15: 6th 19pts

13/14: 19th 10pts

12/13: 18th 12pts

08/09: 19th 13pts

07/08: 3rd 19pts

99/00: 3rd 23pts

97/98: 4th 20pts

96/97: 23rd 11pts

95/96: 7th 16pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

shirty5

After 12 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 19th 14pts

25/26: 6th 19pts

19/20: 7th 21pts

15/16: 22nd 10pts

14/15: 8th 19pts

13/14: 19th 11pts 

12/13: 18th 13pts 

08/09: 20th 13pts

07/08: 6th 19pts

99/00: 2nd 26pts 

97/98: 4th 21pts

96/97: 21st 14pts

95/96: 9th 17pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

Callumcafc

Callumcafc said:

jimmymelrose said:

cantersaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Off_it said:

golfaddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

Fixture - Points 25/26 - Points 26/27 - Difference - Cumulative Difference

West Brom (A) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Stoke (A) - 0 - 0 - 0 - +9

QPR (H) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Portsmouth (H) - 0 - 1 - +1 - +10

With last season’s results we’d have 2 points (draws against WBA and QPR) from the first seven games. Instead we have 12. Next Saturday (Leicester away) would be our first three points of the season.

The first time this season where we’ve come away with a worse result in an equivalent fixture from last season (Leicester (A), who were paired with Cardiff).

Cardiff (A) - 3 - 0 - -3 - +7

From these eight equivalent fixtures last year we accumulated 5 points. Currently we go into the first international break with 12.

Too many dashes to be understandable at a glance. Are you into Morse code ?

Mate, this clearly isn't for you, which is fair enough. But don't come on here and criticise every bloody week when someone is doing something a bit different. Just don't open the thread.

It is a message board suited for opinion, and @golfaddick is never abusive, he solely puts an opinion across.

In this case tho his opinion is simply "I don't like this". What he cant accept is that others do like this. Not everyone has to change everything for him because he doesnt like it. The entitlement is mad. 

’Entitlement’.  I don’t know whether this or ’manipulation’ (edit: ’humble’ gets a nomination) is the most overused word of the decade.

He doesn’t necessarily think that everything has to change for him. Perhaps he thinks it would be easier for everyone.  I don’t understand myself how -3 -0 - - 3 + 7 works. I make it 7, given that 2 minuses makes a plus.

Deary me. It’s just a dash to separate columns in a forum post that doesn’t support tables…

If you’d prefer slashes instead, here you go

Bristol City (H) / 0 / 1 / +1 / +8

Burnley (A) / 3 / 1 / -2 / +6 (Burnley, 19th paired with Ipswich, 2nd)

Watford (A) / 1 / 0 / -1 / +5

Norwich (H) / 0 / 0 / 0 / +5

After 12 games we have 14 points. Last season from the equivalent 12 games, we earned 9 points.

Callumcafc

The upcoming three games: Boro (A), Bolton (H) (paired with Sheff Wed) and Sheff Utd (H) delivered 3 wins from 3 last season.

golfaddick

So what does all this tell us ?  Are we better or worse than last season ?  Are Bolton better than Sheff Wed - undoubtedly so I'd say. So if we lose to Bolton does that make a difference because last season everyone was beating Sheff Wed at this point. And Boro away Coady scored for us.....but he doesn't play for us anymore. So who is taking Coady's place this season.....Skipp.??  

Callumcafc

golfaddick said:

So what does all this tell us ?  Are we better or worse than last season ?  Are Bolton better than Sheff Wed - undoubtedly so I'd say. So if we lose to Bolton does that make a difference because last season everyone was beating Sheff Wed at this point. And Boro away Coady scored for us.....but he doesn't play for us anymore. So who is taking Coady's place this season.....Skipp.??  

You’ve already had an explanation. And you’re still posting on this thread a lot for someone who thinks it’s a load of nonsense.

golfaddick

Callumcafc said:

golfaddick said:

So what does all this tell us ?  Are we better or worse than last season ?  Are Bolton better than Sheff Wed - undoubtedly so I'd say. So if we lose to Bolton does that make a difference because last season everyone was beating Sheff Wed at this point. And Boro away Coady scored for us.....but he doesn't play for us anymore. So who is taking Coady's place this season.....Skipp.??  

You’ve already had an explanation. And you’re still posting on this thread a lot for someone who thinks it’s a load of nonsense.

Because I'm trying to show what nonsense it is. 

You can't compare a game against a certain team from one season to the next, just like you can't compare us beating W.Ham on the 2nd match of the season to, say, Derby playing them on the 2nd to last game of this season. 

Different players, different managers, different time of year etc etc.

I'll concede that it may be a "bit of fun"  but it is meaningless in terms of how we are doing this season compared to last.

shirty5

After 13 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 20th 14pts

25/26: 8th 20pts

19/20: 10th 21pts

15/16: 22nd 10pts

14/15: 7th 22pts

13/14: 17th 14pts

12/13: 20th 14pts

08/09: 20th 14pts

07/08: 8th 19pts

99/00: 3rd 26pts

97/98: 5th 22pts

96/97: 21st 14pts

95/96: 10th 18pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

oohaahmortimer

It all points to another wank season where our only joy will be the hopeful misfortune of palace or the scum 

golfaddick

So, only once in 13 seasons have we had less points than we have now, and the same number of points in 4 other seasons. 

Only good thing to take from it is that we only got relegated twice in those 5 seasons.

But still pretty damning. 

PeaksAndValleys

golfaddick said:

So, only once in 13 seasons have we had less points than we have now, and the same number of points in 4 other seasons. 

Only good thing to take from it is that we only got relegated twice in those 5 seasons.

But still pretty damning. 

So you do think it's meaningful to compare points totals after number of games, across different seasons or even different decades. Completely different fixtures, different league set up. But you'll look at that comparison and conclude it is "damning". 

But Callum's model, which does the same thing but only one season apart and corrected to compare more similar fixtures is "nonsense" because "Different players, different managers, different time of year".

Honestly you talk some shit

PeaksAndValleys

letthegoodtimesroll said:

golfaddick said:

More rubbish stats.

Teams are different, with different players & different managers. Some eams have strengthened  over the summer & some have got worse.

Boro have Lankshear this season, whereas they didnt last. So if we lose to them with him scoring the winner whereas if we drew last season does that make us worse ?

I’ll raise you with we have a much better goalkeeper this season who would comfortably save Lankshear’s shot whereas our goalkeeper last season wouldn't give me the confidence to assume he would stop it

Wish this was the case but unfortunately this didn't age too well 

Alwaysneil

golfaddick said:

Callumcafc said:

golfaddick said:

So what does all this tell us ?  Are we better or worse than last season ?  Are Bolton better than Sheff Wed - undoubtedly so I'd say. So if we lose to Bolton does that make a difference because last season everyone was beating Sheff Wed at this point. And Boro away Coady scored for us.....but he doesn't play for us anymore. So who is taking Coady's place this season.....Skipp.??  

You’ve already had an explanation. And you’re still posting on this thread a lot for someone who thinks it’s a load of nonsense.

Because I'm trying to show what nonsense it is. 

You can't compare a game against a certain team from one season to the next, just like you can't compare us beating W.Ham on the 2nd match of the season to, say, Derby playing them on the 2nd to last game of this season. 

Different players, different managers, different time of year etc etc.

I'll concede that it may be a "bit of fun"  but it is meaningless in terms of how we are doing this season compared to last.

With the greatest respect, fuck off. All stats are to some extent meaningless. For instance today I have found your posts the most annoying on the forum but thats only because i have seen them first as opposed to ones from some others.

i enjoy this stat, thank you Callum for taking the time to compile and post it. 

golfaddick

PeaksAndValleys said:

golfaddick said:

So, only once in 13 seasons have we had less points than we have now, and the same number of points in 4 other seasons. 

Only good thing to take from it is that we only got relegated twice in those 5 seasons.

But still pretty damning. 

So you do think it's meaningful to compare points totals after number of games, across different seasons or even different decades. Completely different fixtures, different league set up. But you'll look at that comparison and conclude it is "damning". 

But Callum's model, which does the same thing but only one season apart and corrected to compare more similar fixtures is "nonsense" because "Different players, different managers, different time of year".

Honestly you talk some shit

I didn't say it was meaningful, just extrapolating the numbers. 

I could have said that in 3 seasons where we had 14 points at this stage we stayed up.

But as one politician famously once said, 

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. 

PeaksAndValleys

golfaddick said:

PeaksAndValleys said:

golfaddick said:

So, only once in 13 seasons have we had less points than we have now, and the same number of points in 4 other seasons. 

Only good thing to take from it is that we only got relegated twice in those 5 seasons.

But still pretty damning. 

So you do think it's meaningful to compare points totals after number of games, across different seasons or even different decades. Completely different fixtures, different league set up. But you'll look at that comparison and conclude it is "damning". 

But Callum's model, which does the same thing but only one season apart and corrected to compare more similar fixtures is "nonsense" because "Different players, different managers, different time of year".

Honestly you talk some shit

I didn't say it was meaningful, just extrapolating the numbers. 

I could have said that in 3 seasons where we had 14 points at this stage we stayed up.

But as one politician famously once said, 

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. 

Quite hard for something that isn't meaningful to be damning. 

And if it isn't meaningful why are you "just extrapolating the numbers". Took the time to throw out multiple snide posts at someone else for doing some analysis you didn't see value in.

Just talking more shit. 

stoneroses19

golfaddick said:

PeaksAndValleys said:

golfaddick said:

So, only once in 13 seasons have we had less points than we have now, and the same number of points in 4 other seasons. 

Only good thing to take from it is that we only got relegated twice in those 5 seasons.

But still pretty damning. 

So you do think it's meaningful to compare points totals after number of games, across different seasons or even different decades. Completely different fixtures, different league set up. But you'll look at that comparison and conclude it is "damning". 

But Callum's model, which does the same thing but only one season apart and corrected to compare more similar fixtures is "nonsense" because "Different players, different managers, different time of year".

Honestly you talk some shit

I didn't say it was meaningful, just extrapolating the numbers. 

I could have said that in 3 seasons where we had 14 points at this stage we stayed up.

But as one politician famously once said, 

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. 

I know you revel in finding things to moan about or finding people with opposite opinion so you can argue. 

But can you just leave this thread alone. Please. 

Some of us are interested in these comparisons and we don’t need yet another decent thread ruined because you feel the need to disagree with people. 

Callumcafc

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

jimmymelrose said:

cantersaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Off_it said:

golfaddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

Fixture - Points 25/26 - Points 26/27 - Difference - Cumulative Difference

West Brom (A) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Stoke (A) - 0 - 0 - 0 - +9

QPR (H) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Portsmouth (H) - 0 - 1 - +1 - +10

With last season’s results we’d have 2 points (draws against WBA and QPR) from the first seven games. Instead we have 12. Next Saturday (Leicester away) would be our first three points of the season.

The first time this season where we’ve come away with a worse result in an equivalent fixture from last season (Leicester (A), who were paired with Cardiff).

Cardiff (A) - 3 - 0 - -3 - +7

From these eight equivalent fixtures last year we accumulated 5 points. Currently we go into the first international break with 12.

Too many dashes to be understandable at a glance. Are you into Morse code ?

Mate, this clearly isn't for you, which is fair enough. But don't come on here and criticise every bloody week when someone is doing something a bit different. Just don't open the thread.

It is a message board suited for opinion, and @golfaddick is never abusive, he solely puts an opinion across.

In this case tho his opinion is simply "I don't like this". What he cant accept is that others do like this. Not everyone has to change everything for him because he doesnt like it. The entitlement is mad. 

’Entitlement’.  I don’t know whether this or ’manipulation’ (edit: ’humble’ gets a nomination) is the most overused word of the decade.

He doesn’t necessarily think that everything has to change for him. Perhaps he thinks it would be easier for everyone.  I don’t understand myself how -3 -0 - - 3 + 7 works. I make it 7, given that 2 minuses makes a plus.

Deary me. It’s just a dash to separate columns in a forum post that doesn’t support tables…

If you’d prefer slashes instead, here you go

Bristol City (H) / 0 / 1 / +1 / +8

Burnley (A) / 3 / 1 / -2 / +6 (Burnley, 19th paired with Ipswich, 2nd)

Watford (A) / 1 / 0 / -1 / +5

Norwich (H) / 0 / 0 / 0 / +5

After 12 games we have 14 points. Last season from the equivalent 12 games, we earned 9 points.

Boro (A) / 3 / 0 / -3 / +2

After 13 games we have 14 points. Last season from the equivalent 13 games, we earned 12 points.

If we draw against Bolton tomorrow evening, we would be “level” against last season’s equivalent fixtures for the first time this season (14 played, 15 points). Win and we stay ahead. Lose and we’ve fallen behind.

shirty5

After 14 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 21st 14pts

25/26: 6th 23pts

19/20: 9th 22pts

15/16: 23rd 10pts

14/15: 7th 22pts

13/14: 19th 14pts

12/13: 21st 14pts

08/09: 20th 15pts

07/08: 4th 22pts

99/00: 2nd 29pts

97/98: 3rd 25pts

96/97: 21st 17pts

95/96: 7th 21pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

JustFloydRoad

shirty5 said:

After 14 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 21st 14pts

25/26: 6th 23pts*

We did say, after that point to Burnley it was 36 to stay up right (40 to beat last seasons tally).

*-Anyway heads up, we then went onto lose our next 5 league games, so if we get 9 pts in our next five we're back on track. 

Even then from GW 14- the end of the year we only picked up 4 more pts, so the target, to catch up to last season's tally, is really 13 pts from now to the end of the (calendar) year.

Callumcafc

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

jimmymelrose said:

cantersaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Off_it said:

golfaddick said:

Callumcafc said:

Callumcafc said:

Fixture - Points 25/26 - Points 26/27 - Difference - Cumulative Difference

West Brom (A) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Stoke (A) - 0 - 0 - 0 - +9

QPR (H) - 1 - 1 - 0 - +9

Portsmouth (H) - 0 - 1 - +1 - +10

With last season’s results we’d have 2 points (draws against WBA and QPR) from the first seven games. Instead we have 12. Next Saturday (Leicester away) would be our first three points of the season.

The first time this season where we’ve come away with a worse result in an equivalent fixture from last season (Leicester (A), who were paired with Cardiff).

Cardiff (A) - 3 - 0 - -3 - +7

From these eight equivalent fixtures last year we accumulated 5 points. Currently we go into the first international break with 12.

Too many dashes to be understandable at a glance. Are you into Morse code ?

Mate, this clearly isn't for you, which is fair enough. But don't come on here and criticise every bloody week when someone is doing something a bit different. Just don't open the thread.

It is a message board suited for opinion, and @golfaddick is never abusive, he solely puts an opinion across.

In this case tho his opinion is simply "I don't like this". What he cant accept is that others do like this. Not everyone has to change everything for him because he doesnt like it. The entitlement is mad. 

’Entitlement’.  I don’t know whether this or ’manipulation’ (edit: ’humble’ gets a nomination) is the most overused word of the decade.

He doesn’t necessarily think that everything has to change for him. Perhaps he thinks it would be easier for everyone.  I don’t understand myself how -3 -0 - - 3 + 7 works. I make it 7, given that 2 minuses makes a plus.

Deary me. It’s just a dash to separate columns in a forum post that doesn’t support tables…

If you’d prefer slashes instead, here you go

Bristol City (H) / 0 / 1 / +1 / +8

Burnley (A) / 3 / 1 / -2 / +6 (Burnley, 19th paired with Ipswich, 2nd)

Watford (A) / 1 / 0 / -1 / +5

Norwich (H) / 0 / 0 / 0 / +5

After 12 games we have 14 points. Last season from the equivalent 12 games, we earned 9 points.

Boro (A) / 3 / 0 / -3 / +2

After 13 games we have 14 points. Last season from the equivalent 13 games, we earned 12 points.

If we draw against Bolton tomorrow evening, we would be “level” against last season’s equivalent fixtures for the first time this season (14 played, 15 points). Win and we stay ahead. Lose and we’ve fallen behind.

Bolton (H) / 3 / 0 / -3 / -1
Sheff Utd (H) / 3 / 3 / 0 / -1

From equivalent games last season we had 18 points. This season we have 17 points.

Upcoming fixtures:

Wolves (A) 1pt last season (Hull)
Lincoln (H) 3pts last season (Oxford)
Blackburn (A) 1pt last season
Birmingham (H) 3pts last season

shirty5

After 15 Championship (2nd tier) games

26/27: 19th 17pts

25/26: 9th 23pts

19/20: 10th 22pts

15/16: 23rd 10 pts

14/15: 9th 23 pts

13/14; 21st 14 pts

12/13: 19th 17pts

08/09: 22nd 15pts

07/08: 4th 25pts

99/00: 2nd 32pts

97/98: 5th 26pts

96/97: 17th 20pts

95/96: 7th 22pts

After 46 Championship (2nd tier) games

25/26: 19th 53pts

19/20: 22nd 48pts

15/16: 22nd 40pts

14/15: 12th 60pts

13/14: 18th 51pts

12/13: 9th 65pts

08/09: 24th 39pts

07/08: 11th 64pts

99/00: 1st 91pts

97/98: 4th 88pts

96/97: 15th 59pts

95/96: 6th 71pts

Alwaysneil

We will have done well if we dong go further behind in the next 4 as 8 points from those 4 games was decent.

hopefully we have been on our bad run now and can kick in from here