Dropped Ranking - Not in top seeds

WSS

England will not be among the top seeds in the 2010 World Cup qualifying draw after their failure to reach Euro 2008.

The defeat against Croatia has seen them drop to 12th place - and they have now been leap-frogged by Greece.

This means they are not in the top nine European countries in the draw when it is made in Durban on Sunday.

They are now in the group of second seeds and could possibly face Italy, France or Germany in a potentially hazardous qualifying group.

Scotland have also dropped one place to 14th, meaning they will also be among the group of second seeds.

Sco

Good. They have to earn their stripes.

northstandsteve

make u right Sco kick up the backside

Carter

Perhaps that will give the stell toe up the arse they need to come out of the blocks like bats out of hell having had dynamite lit under their arses

vancouveraddick

One goes through and then playoff for the 2nd place teams so let's hope we get a decent group.