[cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite]how is "who's the wanker in the black" crossing a boundary?
It proves my point. This is now a commonplace song. In a few years perhaps the songs sung at Scunthorpe will be commonplace.
I hated what was going on at Scunthorpe. It hasnt always been like this.
Each year the songs have to be cruder and more vile until 'youre f*cking one another', your mothers got syphilis, your mothers a prostitute, are now reeled off incessantly. How disrespectful to the people who had been quite friendly and welcoming in the pubs and bars a few minutes previously.
I want the Club to do something about it. I want what we had against Stoke. Decent loud passionate vocal support. Not this obscene trash.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]do you really think kids dont swear at school ?
My kids never did ... at home though they were awful!! Seriously, I have no objection to swearing at the match, but do wonder about people who spend the whole match f'ing c'ing as if there were no other words in the dictionary. Swearing at football matches gives kids grounding in life and used by the parent correctly can actually reinforce when to and when not to swear.
I used to accidentally say the f word in front of my kids when they were 4/5 yo (e.g. some b'stard cutting me up), not acceptable and to show them how serious it was i swear boxed myself at £20 each a time, it soon cured me much to their dismay.
Its all about respect isnt it ? and i dont mean some spotty low life rapperTwats version of respect.
I have never sworn in front of my parents (hard with dad as he has been dead two years mind!).
At football if i want to vent out "f**k you ref you cheating f**ker". Then i will. I dont expect some one to start quoting ground regulation 36 volume 2 paragraph 6 to me. Onthe other had if im doing that ever 2 mins thats differant.
Some songs need venom and yes naughty words ITS FOOTBALL NOT CRICKET !
Some just sound pathetic "your support" being an example.
There is a guy who used to sit in The West now sites in The East who none stop moans out very loud. He dont swear but he dont shut up either. Its just twoddle and im sure he is really talking to himself (why do we actactive these peeps ?) i find that more of a problem than anyone swearing.
I'm with Goonerhater pretty much on this. I give it as much as the next man, and will be giving 'When i was an itty bitty boy' and 'Hark now here' etc. as much as the next man..
But if you're listening to someone f'ing c'ing every 20 seconds for example it becomes pretty embarrassing after a while, but just about toleratable. When the screamed abuse has nothing to do with football, but just constant crap about AIDS, paedophilia, cancer, syphallis etc then it goes beyond embarrassing to being something i really don't want to be associated with.
The best two chants on Sat were 'does you're whippet know you're here' and 'you're from the north, you're from the north, we're not, we're not'. Both patronising banter but nothing to be offended about.
Its the difference between. Enjoy the Championship you tosser. (Just the right amount of subtle rudeness)
to . F*ck off you orange faced blonde c*nt. (unacceptable)
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]there are two programmes re this topic on BBC 4 tonight from 10pm. Might be worth a watch for those of you interested in this subject.
I watched that programme ( thanks B for pointing it out) and it was very good- a tragic shame that so many very young people lost their lives, irregardless of there talent but only right that their club should want it marked to remind the younger generations of what happened
If anyone thinks that club rivalry is bigger than that then they are wrong and for those citeh fans who are contemplating disrupting it, they should remember that one of there own was killed on that flight as well.
I watched it, I found it very interesting and moving. We forget I think in these days of Baby Bentleys, WAGS, £100k a week wages and plastic supporters that the players were on a pittance and played for love and the adulation of their fellow fans, most of whom did not have two ha'pennies to rub together themselves. These were ordinary lads but heros to their own.
Even though there was rivalry between clubs and fans there wasn't generally the extreme polarity of support that there is today. The great players like Duncan Edwards were heros whatever team they played for and people would go just to watch the stars.
One can just speculate to where, but for this crash, English football would have developed. This team was not a long-ball, kick and rush, physical footballing side. This was a team of players with individual skills who could pass, and dribble. They were primarily youngsters and played with youthful enthusiasm. You could see this from the clips shown. This was a national tragedy and all football fans should mark the anniversary with respect.
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Was there really? I'm stunned
It proves my point. This is now a commonplace song. In a few years perhaps the songs sung at Scunthorpe will be commonplace.
I hated what was going on at Scunthorpe. It hasnt always been like this.
Each year the songs have to be cruder and more vile until 'youre f*cking one another', your mothers got syphilis, your mothers a prostitute, are now reeled off incessantly. How disrespectful to the people who had been quite friendly and welcoming in the pubs and bars a few minutes previously.
I want the Club to do something about it. I want what we had against Stoke. Decent loud passionate vocal support. Not this obscene trash.
My kids never did ... at home though they were awful!! Seriously, I have no objection to swearing at the match, but do wonder about people who spend the whole match f'ing c'ing as if there were no other words in the dictionary. Swearing at football matches gives kids grounding in life and used by the parent correctly can actually reinforce when to and when not to swear.
I used to accidentally say the f word in front of my kids when they were 4/5 yo (e.g. some b'stard cutting me up), not acceptable and to show them how serious it was i swear boxed myself at £20 each a time, it soon cured me much to their dismay.
I have never sworn in front of my parents (hard with dad as he has been dead two years mind!).
At football if i want to vent out "f**k you ref you cheating f**ker". Then i will. I dont expect some one to start quoting ground regulation 36 volume 2 paragraph 6 to me. Onthe other had if im doing that ever 2 mins thats differant.
Some songs need venom and yes naughty words ITS FOOTBALL NOT CRICKET !
Some just sound pathetic "your support" being an example.
There is a guy who used to sit in The West now sites in The East who none stop moans out very loud. He dont swear but he dont shut up either. Its just twoddle and im sure he is really talking to himself (why do we actactive these peeps ?) i find that more of a problem than anyone swearing.
And as I have been watching CAFC for over 35 years I will continue to do that as well.
My attitude to swearing at matches is exactly the same as Goonerhaters last post above. I have no problem with that.
But the collective singing of offensive songs is not the same. And Scunthorpe was for me a new low point for CAFC and one I hope is reversed.
But if you're listening to someone f'ing c'ing every 20 seconds for example it becomes pretty embarrassing after a while, but just about toleratable. When the screamed abuse has nothing to do with football, but just constant crap about AIDS, paedophilia, cancer, syphallis etc then it goes beyond embarrassing to being something i really don't want to be associated with.
The best two chants on Sat were 'does you're whippet know you're here' and 'you're from the north, you're from the north, we're not, we're not'. Both patronising banter but nothing to be offended about.
U R WELL OUT OF ORDER
best song of the day
Alans Pardews aving a party
bring your vodka and your charlie
Thats my sentiment entirely.
Its the difference between. Enjoy the Championship you tosser. (Just the right amount of subtle rudeness)
to . F*ck off you orange faced blonde c*nt. (unacceptable)
Im now going to get of this subject
Its when everything is a effing c every 20 seconds that winds me up.
thought you were going
Back on track ;-)
I watched that programme ( thanks B for pointing it out) and it was very good- a tragic shame that so many very young people lost their lives, irregardless of there talent but only right that their club should want it marked to remind the younger generations of what happened
If anyone thinks that club rivalry is bigger than that then they are wrong and for those citeh fans who are contemplating disrupting it, they should remember that one of there own was killed on that flight as well.
Even though there was rivalry between clubs and fans there wasn't generally the extreme polarity of support that there is today. The great players like Duncan Edwards were heros whatever team they played for and people would go just to watch the stars.
One can just speculate to where, but for this crash, English football would have developed. This team was not a long-ball, kick and rush, physical footballing side. This was a team of players with individual skills who could pass, and dribble. They were primarily youngsters and played with youthful enthusiasm. You could see this from the clips shown. This was a national tragedy and all football fans should mark the anniversary with respect.