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All this there's stll 13 games to go malarky!!

edited February 2008 in General Charlton
Im amazed that there are some people not necessarily on here but even within the Valley who are drowning their sorrows by saying we still have 13 games to go.

My reason - There isn't !! There are 10!!

We are 7 points behind the leaders at the moment and unless my calculations are wrong which ever way you look at it that will take 3 games to even get on level terms, therefore effectively there are 10 games left.

The other way of looking at it is there are 13 games left to claw back the 7 point deficit but it all amounts to the same equation at the end of the day.
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    Er .......... but there ARE still 13 games to go though. Nothing amazing about it mate.
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    E=MC2
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    Come on guys I think you know where im coming from, It will take 3 of the 13 to claw back 7 pts
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    Yeah, but we've got 13 games in which to score 7 points more than the teams above us!
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    Your last sentence made sense - not sure about the "10 games left" bit though! It's definitely do-able, though maybe not by us.
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    Your definatly a glass half, nothing in the glass and smash the glass, kind of guy aren't you?
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    It's simple, using the partial differentional equation route, i'm opting for West Brom and Watford for automatic promotion. Stoke and Bristol will be disappointed having had spells in the top two positions leaving Charlton and Ipswich to battle it out at Wembley.
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    we need to keep our eye on the ball 2 away games comin up could see us out of the play off places come bristol city at home.
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    I don't think so mascot, Id say there are too many people on here who don't like the opinions of people who are not posting as regular as them, it seems if you don't post as much as them your less of a fan.

    If we don't go up so be it but let people have their say on what they think the reasons are and highlight where THEY think it went wrong.

    Repliers to this thread no damn well where im coming from on this matter but as usual twist and turn it to suit.

    There are two angles of looking at my thread, the title of it and what F-Blocker said but either way somewhere along the line, and like it or not we have 7 points to make up and by my maths that will take three games out of 13.

    What happens if we win our next 3 and Stike and Watford lose, how many games will be left? 10!
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    edited February 2008
    Reams keep the posts coming, that's what this board is for. I understand what you are saying but personally I think you've put the most negative of negative slants on the number of games left. If all the teams above us lose their next 13 games, we will need three out of thirteen wins only to go up. It's all if and buts. Personally I'd rather have the points now. I'd wish we'd won yesterday and allowed myself to count the points as won at half-time, just as you counted the Stoke points as lost on Friday. We are not where we hoped we be but it is still all to play for. I suspect the teams above us will have to play one another yet. With a possible thirty-nine points available we're still in with a great chance.
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    edited February 2008
    Whats annoying is reams are the people who as soon as we lose a game run as home as fast as they can to tell the internet the club is shit the directors are serial killers and the ground is about to explode is a ball of fire, yet when we win they are no where to be seen.

    Not aimed at you though !
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    [cite]Posted By: Stu of SE7[/cite]Whats annoying is remas is the people who as soon as we leave run as home as fast as they can to tell the internet the club is shit the directors are serial killers and the ground is about to explode is a ball of fire, yet when we win they are no where to be seen.

    Not aimed at you though !

    Yes Roy, he means you (aka Charlie Block)
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    i think everyone is entitled to an opinion reams, its just that we're not all as pessimistic as you, some of us have half full glasses and believe there are enough games remaining for us not to yet settle for a play off place. i would love to have the benefit of a crystal ball but rather than picking holes lets get behind the team and believe we can still do it.
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    I don't think it is pessimism though billy, Ive been a fan for 25 yeras and will be until my dying day.

    When I sit down and trundle through the stats as I so often do I always make a note of the worst possible scenario first then follow that up by looking who has to play who.

    I don't think many have understood where I am coming from on this topic, im not sitting here urging us to fail or laughing my nuts off because we have it all to do, Im just telling it as I see it personally and I cannot, however hard I try, get away from the fact that somewhere along the line we have to have 3 results better than the teams at the top and that is just to even get level.

    I wish it wasn't the case I wouldn't be here pointing it out otherwise Id much rather it be the other way around with us at the top.
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    [cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]I don't think so mascot, Id say there are too many people on here who don't like the opinions of people who are not posting as regular as them, it seems if you don't post as much as them your less of a fan.

    Now that's just being silly. I have to say reams, it's not the first time you've come out with something like that about this board and I struggle to see why. As you've said, boards like these are about opinions and not everyone is going to agree - but then you seem to get all stroppy when people don't agree with you. You can't have it both ways mate.
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    Not at all Off_it I don't do strops not even when people cannot manage to disagree without getting personal.
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    Fair enough reams. I thought that this sounded a bit stroppy ...
    [cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]Repliers to this thread no damn well where im coming from on this matter but as usual twist and turn it to suit.

    ... but if that wasn't the way you meant it then that's all Kool And The Gang with me!
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    With my optimistic hat on I still say we have Bristol City and WBA at home where we can make up points and all the other home games SHOULD be 3 points.

    Realistically I think we'll end up somewhere similiar to where we are now, cant see past Watford and WBA.

    Yesterday felt a bit like Sheff Utd at home last season, the result wasnt the end of the world, but we needed the 3 points a bit more than the opposition and we couldnt quite get them.

    I still think we are a better side than Watford football wise, but their system works very well, especially away from home, credit where its due.
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    [cite]Posted By: billy cotton[/cite]i think everyone is entitled to an opinion reams, its just that we're not all as pessimistic as you, some of us have half full glasses and believe there are enough games remaining for us not to yet settle for a play off place. i would love to have the benefit of a crystal ball but rather than picking holes lets get behind the team and believe we can still do it.

    Far too sensible an approach for most of us here!:-)
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    The problem seems to be that at the moment, none of us can see what results Charlton and the other teams are going to put together in future matches ...... so we resort to thinking that the final table will be more or less as it is now.


    3 weeks ago, West Brom were 4 points clear, so everybody said they were certainties for the title.

    In October, Watford were 9 points clear .....it was just a question of who was going to go up with Watford.
    6 weeks later, they'd lost a stack of matches, and were 5 points from top.

    In October, Stoke were outside the top 6, now they're top.

    10 years ago, it was the week of the then transfer deadline in March when we signed Eddie Youds & Danny Mills.
    We then went on a great run from outside the playoff positions, finally finishing 4th.

    We couldn't have foreseen that in the February .........
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    The reality is if you dont aim for the top you wont get there. When we went up as champions we had put together a decent run of wins. So far this season we have been consistently inconsistent, other teams around us have managed to put a string of results together, so as the table suggests we look more like play off than automatic. However looking positively at it; we are where we are without having put a run together, we are due a good run, Pards teams do better in the Spring according to the man himself, the team is not one dimesional as earlier in the season when opposing teams sussed that stopping Reid play and you stop charlton.

    i guess for me, like oggy this division is so unpredictable. there are many games and points to play for, so much will depend on whether Gray, Halford, and Cook can be as inspirational as Youds, Mills and Healy were and what happens to the teams around us. I will gladly take an automatic postion if we can get it but wont be disheartened if we end up in the playoffs because this season has certainly been a darn more exciting than the last two seasons in the premiership.

    So reams youre right there are 13 games left, lets give the team all the support we can until the end of the season.

    Up the Addicks
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    Oggy good post but how many times this year alone have we had the opportunity to cast a big dark shadow over the leaders and fail.

    We have got within 4 points on three seperate occasions then blown our next match and all im saying is we cannot keep wasting opportunities as a time will come when the games will run out and we find ourselves in a totally different battle and that is fighting to stay in the play offs.

    Hey im behind us all the way but Pards and co only have themselves to blame and when we lose at home to the likes of Colchester, away at Scunthorpe and only take 2 points this week to waste another golden opportunity they deserve to be blamed as I have done but that does not detract away from my love and support for the club.

    In order to stop the mopesing around the frustration needs to come out and when it does with me it does!!
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    Reams, you make a valid point. we have an inability to beat teams in the lower half. It is incredibly frustrating, especially after beating stoke we then go and lose against scunthorpe. thats football i'm afraid, unless we install a invincible mentality we wont even make the play offs.
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    What I don't get Reamsy is why you feel so frustrated.
    Perhaps you were one of the unrealistic people before the start of the season who predicted us to run away with it.
    I want us to finish in the top two of course but agree with you that we're not going to do it.
    The difference is that I predicted at the start for us to finish 6th and at the moment we look like finishing 5th. So I find it hard to get too stressed about it. Why are you getting so stressed about it? Just take it easy and see how it pans out.
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    Automatic places are looking highly unlikely now but guys, we are still playing good stuff so keep your heads up!Its going to be a difficult finish to the season because some of the teams just behind us are looking good!ipswich, burnley and cardiff!We just have to concentrate on getting our own results!We are due a run soon, so lets hope it helps us get all the way in to the top 2!Keep the Faith!
    Up the Addicks!
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    What it is Jimmy is I hate not winning, ok you cannot win every game but there is nothing like winning and bearing down on the leaders.

    Most importantly though as Ive said in the past I really do feel that the best way back up is in the first season.

    If we fail I really do not know where the money will come from to strengthen again for next season which we will have to do to compete with the relegated clubs.
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    [cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]What it is Jimmy is I hate not winning, ok you cannot win every game but there is nothing like winning and bearing down on the leaders.

    Most importantly though as Ive said in the past I really do feel that the best way back up is in the first season.

    If we fail I really do not know where the money will come from to strengthen again for next season which we will have to do to compete with the relegated clubs.

    Don't necessarily agree that the first season is the easiest. Surely this is more a season of adjustment ,as it arguably was for West Brom last season. I'd be more worried at the moment as a West Brom fan. Next season we'll still have the parachute payment and they won't. Meanwhile if you look at the likely 3 coming down I'll be worried only about Derby as they know the league. Bolton, Fulham or Boro would get a shock, and although I think Reading would fare better I think their best players would be ripe pickings for other Premiership teams. All these relegated teams would have to assemble a new team as we have this season. I think you forget how our team is completely new: next season they'll be better, stronger and more prepared for it.
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    edited February 2008
    Very valid points which I totally agree with but we are still short of a few players at this level.

    Reidy was a big loss, good money for a player of his injury prone career but I think that teams we played worried about him and had a game plan because whilst they shadowed him all over the pitch it created gaps for the likes of ZZ.

    Now ZZ is the marked man but we have nobody else of their ability who can benefit from it.

    That is the loss we have with Reid, im not just referring to his goals or ability to split defences and create something from nothing.

    Up front we have a major problem. We have Gray and Varney who are as good or at least will be as Miller and Phillips at WBA, but the difference is they have a plan B with Bednar and Gera.

    Im afraid Iwelumo and McLeod are in a different league when it comes to our options.

    It's 16 games since Chris scored and in that time Varney has improved past him having played in a league lower last season and it does not auger well for our attacking options.

    We will make the play offs but a loan striker has to be brought in I think somebody like Nugent or Zamora who can make a difference by changing a game.

    This is where I think Pards is naive sometimes and it's been a good few seasons since I've been optimistic about who's on the bench who can come on and rescue the game for us. That trend has to change as it can only be good for the club that we have a proven goalscorer on the bench because the ones on the pitch would have to step up a level to keep their place
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    This is turning into good, thought out debate.

    Reamsy, Smokin Ice, Jimmy and others are all putting good points into the mix but we mustn't forget, this is a very transitional season for us.

    Look at Sheff Utd ...... they knew the division despite having a new manager, same nucleus of players, lost Jagielka but gained England international James Beattie. They must have fancied their chances but who would have predicted they would appear so helplessly adrift of even the playoffs?

    But it might only take a decent run and they could come from nowhere to claim a playoff place ..... and perhaps promotion.

    So, at this stage, don't write any club off.
    And that includes Charlton or anyone in with even the faintest shout.



    But for Pards and Charlton, this is our transitional season - as Smokin said, we are unsurprisingly consistantly inconsistant. Nice turn of phrase - but so far it applies to each of the top clubs and not just Charlton.

    But we are becoming consistant and we are really threatening a run, if the stats are anything to go by.
    Yesterday, was the 1st time we conceded 2 goals since New Year's Day and in those 10 League matches, weve only lost twice - or once in 9 games, if you like.


    Most of the Division would think that's a decent run but not for us because we've only won 3 of those games (2 against then play off sides, one of which is now top). Our main problem is, we're creating chances but not scoring enough to seal the win and are taking often only 1 point instead of all 3. We do lack that cutting edge.

    That's the biggest issue.

    The other point, Watford highlighted yesterday. We are still not physically dominant enough, especially in the air.
    We are a bit lightweight for this division and Pard's to my mind hasn't really addressed that successfully.
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    edited February 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]We are a bit lightweight for this division and Pard's to my mind hasn't really addressed that successfully.

    This is true but with the quality we have compared to most others, we should be able to pass around the lumps we come up against. The problem is we haven't quite gelled as a team. Yesterday both goals we created were from excellent skillfull team play, we just don't do it enough. Against Palarse, admittedly a much weaker team than Watford, we passed it around with aplomb and they chased shadows for most of the game. Much of that was down to Magic and to a lesser extent Paddy, breaking up play and always finding Charlton players with their lay offs. We kept the ball really well. That just didn't happen yesterday, especially in the second half. I feel we have the makings of a quality team, it's just a question of whether we can set up the run we will need to get us to the top spots. My gut feeling is that our best chance of doing it is still ahead of us, by coming with a late run.

    I think there was a case for playing Sodje yesterday, there was also a case for having Semedo on the bench in case we needed to shut up shop. To be fair to Reams, he's really been saying this in some of his posts and his points are valid. What we don't know is how fit Sodje is as he's been out since boxing day. What we know about Pards is that he is more likely to try and get a third goal, than shore things up. I suspect that yesterday he thought he would need attacking options on the bench bearing in mind the game would be tight. I don't think he expected to be 2-0 up at half-time and then when they got a goal back, didn't expect us to concede a second immediately. But shit happens. He threw attacking options on in an attempt to win the game but we just couldn't fashion the chances to win it.

    I hope that Pards learns something from yesterday. Maybe gung-ho is his way but sometimes boxing clever works and switching to 4-5-1 may have been the right move at half-time but he didn't have Semedo on the bench. Personally I would also look at setting the team up differently away from home. The fullbacks are often hemmed in away and I would go 4-5-1 with Varney wide and Gray or Big Chris as the loan striker.
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