Razil we cant get out now, we were conned in going in. It dosnt matter really how Ireland votes they will find a way round it. The same if we had been allowed the chance to vote as well.
Big business wants a global market were labour is cheap and there few controls on movement of the labour market and border tariffs on goods. They have it and karl Marx (spits in corner) was correct.
I think they will take Irelands No vote (if it is no) and then add it into the over all total of those who have had the vote before and Irelands one million willbe swallowed up and disappear and we will be conned again.
I actually agree with you Goonerhater to a certain extent, any major change to the constitution should be put to the vote, the problem is little englanders as you call them see it as an opportunity to Vote No to Europe and would do so whatever they were being asked, even Thatcher realised this which is why she didn't have one for Maastricht. And we'd already had a referendum in the 70s I think on that issue.
don't deny that at all. the ira have been around for some time now.they are mentioned in the middle of this wiki.
the people are scum.
sorry,just read your bit again,uboats given shelter? lighting up fields night after nights to direct german bombers?
i am not sure you realise how important to the people ireland that germany were defeated.
Razil there is no doubt that is true. What i find strange is that these people who may vote no would be called "Euro sceptics or Little Englanders" to oppose pan Europieanism brings an insult yet wanting it your "forward thinking and positive".
We only get to vote once every five years, we get a local coucil election come along or a By Election. We have hardly ripped the bottom out of the "referendomm barrel" have we ? We are trusted to vote in alot of babboons once in a blue moon who then tell us we cant vote on the EU constition or the death penalty (dont agree we have the right to kill).
Why do some people keep diverting decent threads towards the same bullshit time and time again. I spent three years doing my history degree and if i learned anything it's that people have different ideas of how and why things happened in the past and that although people should remember and learn from events, if you don't move on you'll get absolutely nowhere.
OK well in a round about way we have answered your main thread question.
I think there need to be real advantages disadvantages spelled out, problem is these thing are quite gray and complicated. Also the fact that there is a cross party consensus on membership, and indeed the death penalty must say something (much as I hate to put my trust in politicians)
There is also nothing to stop governments having referendem after referendum till they get the right result.
[cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]don't deny that at all. the ira have been around for some time now.they are mentioned in the middle of this wiki.
the people are scum.
sorry,just read your bit again,uboats given shelter? lighting up fields night after nights to direct german bombers?
i am not sure you realise how important to the people ireland that germany were defeated.
Not saying it wasn't important to them, just saying it was not completely neutral and there were defectors amongst the population who helped create the refugees and devastation in Belfast for their own political ends.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]Why do some people keep diverting decent threads towards the same bullshit time and time again. I spent three years doing my history degree and if i learned anything it's that people have different ideas of how and why things happened in the past and that although people should remember and learn from events, if you don't move on you'll get absolutely nowhere.
So people should remember which is what people were doing on here. People have differant ideas, thats what people were expressing. You cant make people learn.
well said everyone all the voices of reason or not.
and the very first point regardless of how the people of Ireland voted is you shouldnt be abused and tagged if ur anti or for.
Prejudice comes in many forms and labels razil. Calling people "little Englanders" is used as a term of abuse ( idont see it as such). The first point being these same people would never use an abusive term against another group or section of the population, but its ok against the English.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Prejudice comes in many forms and labels razil. Calling people "little Englanders" is used as a term of abuse ( idont see it as such). The first point being these same people would never use an abusive term against another group or section of the population, but its ok against the English.
apart from the tight-fisted jocks, plastic paddies, greasy spicks and garlic-munching frogs of course..... :-)
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Prejudice comes in many forms and labels razil. Calling people "little Englanders" is used as a term of abuse ( idont see it as such). The first point being these same people would never use an abusive term against another group or section of the population, but its ok against the English.
apart from the tight-fisted jocks, plastic paddies, greasy spicks and garlic-munching frogs of course..... :-)
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[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Prejudice comes in many forms and labels razil. Calling people "little Englanders" is used as a term of abuse ( idont see it as such). The first point being these same people would never use an abusive term against another group or section of the population, but its ok against the English.
But it's not a term of abuse for all English people. It's is referring to a particular group of people from England who hold certain views. It's not knocking the English, GH. You are trying desperately to find an slur that isn't there.
There are similar terms in other countries. In Italy there is a term for people who only think of their own city/region and not the whole country (which I can't now remember). Some see it as a insult and some as a compliment. It isn't an inuslt for all Italians.
The concept of Pan-europeanism is echoed in Pan-Africanism and even Pan-latin Americanish with other counter "local"
I think perhaps what GH is complaining about is that an Irish no vote wouldn't be slammed/criticised as little irelanders whereas a hypothetical UK one would were it to be in the negative hypothetically speaking. There is an obvious reason for this though and that is that we have a reputation already for euroscepticism, also it would possibly be true where it not hypothetical. i.e. we have undermined our reputation for making a sound and reasoned reponse in regards to Europe.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Prejudice comes in many forms and labels razil. Calling people "little Englanders" is used as a term of abuse ( idont see it as such). The first point being these same people would never use an abusive term against another group or section of the population, but its ok against the English.
But it's not a term of abuse for all English people. It's is referring to a particular group of people from England who hold certain views. It's not knocking the English, GH. You are trying desperately to find an slur that isn't there.
There are similar terms in other countries. In Italy there is a term for people who only think of their own city/region and not the whole country (which I can't now remember). Some see it as a insult and some as a compliment. It isn't an inuslt for all Italians.
The concept of Pan-europeanism is echoed in Pan-Africanism and even Pan-latin Americanish with other counter "local"
When i visited La Coruna, Spain last year i really saw how true that is as half the people were going on about Galicia and the others were saying Espana.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Does the man from del monte get a say ?
Don't know but as a little Englander yourself AFKA what do you think?
I'm annoyed that Tall Englanders aren't given a voice. Who talks for us, the quite visable majority? Who will raise the minimum height of ironing boards and making the carrying of umbrellas at our eye level illegal. When will insulting remarks about "what's the weather like up there?" and "is the rest of you in proportion to your height wink wink" be banned?
Given that Ireland is the smaller landmass in the British Isles, it should be known as Little Britain and it's inhabitants therefore Little Brittish, Little Brittons, or when voting against a wider Europe, Little Brittishers.
why was it that only the irish was given the the vote perhaps the rest of the european leaders are so corrupt that they dont trust the european people to to keep the gravy train going the eu is a dictatorship hitler lost the war but his dream lives on
[cite]Posted By: aylesfordaddick[/cite]why was it that only the irish was given the the vote perhaps the rest of the european leaders are so corrupt that they dont trust the european people to to keep the gravy train going the eu is a dictatorship hitler lost the war but his dream lives on
It's called representative democracy. Every four or five years you get to choose who will make your decisions for you, and that's as good as it gets. It's not just a European thing though, it's the same system with Parliament and it's the same with local councils (though the frequency of the voting tends to be quicker). Not very good, is it?
most of the people in charge of europe were not voted in by the people of europe take 1 neil kinnock even the people of britain didnt vote for his labour party then he gets a nice earner being a non elected commishenrer what say did we have in that that isnt democracy in any form at all
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Big business wants a global market were labour is cheap and there few controls on movement of the labour market and border tariffs on goods. They have it and karl Marx (spits in corner) was correct.
I think they will take Irelands No vote (if it is no) and then add it into the over all total of those who have had the vote before and Irelands one million willbe swallowed up and disappear and we will be conned again.
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the people are scum.
sorry,just read your bit again,uboats given shelter? lighting up fields night after nights to direct german bombers?
i am not sure you realise how important to the people ireland that germany were defeated.
We only get to vote once every five years, we get a local coucil election come along or a By Election. We have hardly ripped the bottom out of the "referendomm barrel" have we ? We are trusted to vote in alot of babboons once in a blue moon who then tell us we cant vote on the EU constition or the death penalty (dont agree we have the right to kill).
I think there need to be real advantages disadvantages spelled out, problem is these thing are quite gray and complicated. Also the fact that there is a cross party consensus on membership, and indeed the death penalty must say something (much as I hate to put my trust in politicians)
There is also nothing to stop governments having referendem after referendum till they get the right result.
Not saying it wasn't important to them, just saying it was not completely neutral and there were defectors amongst the population who helped create the refugees and devastation in Belfast for their own political ends.
Voice of reason.
Well said
well said everyone all the voices of reason or not.
and the very first point regardless of how the people of Ireland voted is you shouldnt be abused and tagged if ur anti or for.
apart from the tight-fisted jocks, plastic paddies, greasy spicks and garlic-munching frogs of course..... :-)
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But it's not a term of abuse for all English people. It's is referring to a particular group of people from England who hold certain views. It's not knocking the English, GH. You are trying desperately to find an slur that isn't there.
There are similar terms in other countries. In Italy there is a term for people who only think of their own city/region and not the whole country (which I can't now remember). Some see it as a insult and some as a compliment. It isn't an inuslt for all Italians.
The concept of Pan-europeanism is echoed in Pan-Africanism and even Pan-latin Americanish with other counter "local"
Geddit? erm...
When i visited La Coruna, Spain last year i really saw how true that is as half the people were going on about Galicia and the others were saying Espana.
Don't know but as a little Englander yourself AFKA what do you think?
I'm annoyed that Tall Englanders aren't given a voice. Who talks for us, the quite visable majority? Who will raise the minimum height of ironing boards and making the carrying of umbrellas at our eye level illegal. When will insulting remarks about "what's the weather like up there?" and "is the rest of you in proportion to your height wink wink" be banned?
Say it loud, I'm tall and proud.
in simple terms who is happy it looks to be voted as no and who would have been happier with a yes vote
53.4 % NO
46.6 % YES.
I'm talking Charlton not politics Sir:-)
It's called representative democracy. Every four or five years you get to choose who will make your decisions for you, and that's as good as it gets. It's not just a European thing though, it's the same system with Parliament and it's the same with local councils (though the frequency of the voting tends to be quicker). Not very good, is it?