Why dnt the Governments in the Uk and USA / France / Japan etc just suspend trading re shares etc ? two weeks ish . At least it will stop the f**kin speculaors stiring more and more shit up.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Why dnt the Governments in the Uk and USA / France / Japan etc just suspend trading re shares etc ? two weeks ish . At least it will stop the f**kin speculaors stiring more and more shit up.
I've been asking that question for a couple of weeks too!
One thing I wonder (in my limited knowledge of such things) is why if mortgage lending is so knackered, rather than bailing out these banks, why do the BOE not lend money direct to the public than bailing out these ailing institutions at the lower interest rates?
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]One thing I wonder (in my limited knowledge of such things) is why if mortgage lending is so knackered, rather than bailing out these banks, why do the BOE not lend money direct to the public than bailing out these ailing institutions at the lower interest rates?
that would mean a whole new banking system - to which i refer you to my earlier comment!!
Branson tried to introduce a new system when he tried to buy Northen Rock.
should have seen the guy being given the Third Degree in the USA when he said he didnt ean $400million it was nearer to $250 million !! tell u i was welling up for the guy almost sent him a £5 for a coffee and a bun !!
How about the fact that a few weeks before the axe fell Lehman Brothers paid out some $40 million to the Execs ?
no instead it will be ok for normal people to loose jobs,homes,and loved ones you just watch it happens every time that some poor soul who feels they have let everyone down will do the worst thing possible and do themselves in
whilst others on here will seek the Morale high ground
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Why dnt the Governments in the Uk and USA / France / Japan etc just suspend trading re shares etc ? two weeks ish . At least it will stop the f**kin speculaors stiring more and more shit up.
You can't do that in a free market - and a free global market at that, the Bank's shares are quoted on several stock markets so you'd need a lot of international co-operation to do something that most would disagree with. People have got to be able to flog off their shares if they want. I don't really agree with the ban on short selling (basically traders betting on shares going down, and if enough of them do it, it creates a panic and they all start doing it) either - it's supposed to be a capitalist economy - but that was a sensible move. The current drops are mostly all paper losses and the institutions are generally sound. If you bought 10 grands worth of RBS shares at the right time this morning and flogged them at the right time around lunchtime you'd have picked up 5 grand pure profit. They're not making any more or less money. With HBOS it could have been more. Basically, if everyone calmed the f*ck down, it'd sort itself out pretty quickly. They do need to stop lending money to people who can't pay it back. 125% mortgages that are 6 times the borrowers salary etc. are a great way to screw your business up, as they've found to their cost.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]One thing I wonder (in my limited knowledge of such things) is why if mortgage lending is so knackered, rather than bailing out these banks, why do the BOE not lend money direct to the public than bailing out these ailing institutions at the lower interest rates?
The BoE don't want to deal with the public because they are a pain in the hole. They also don't have staff, branches, systems etc. If this ever happened they'd be so conservative nobody would get a mortgage, which may be a good thing.
perhaps they could offer a wholesale deal that gave a set profit to the retailer, at a set rate for the customer? I don't see why we should cough up otherwise, it is taxpayers money.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]no instead it will be ok for normal people to loose jobs,homes,and loved ones you just watch it happens every time that some poor soul who feels they have let everyone down will do the worst thing possible and do themselves in
whilst others on here will seek the Morale high ground
The irony here though is that normal people have pretty much caused this - to be fair if you lend money to a fool, then you're a fool, but the thing that gets right on my tits here is people whining about the institutions this and the banks that, but nobody is saying that it is the dopes that created all the bad debt that have really driven all this.
on the selling thing, perhaps quick selling could be outlawed, so it took longer to sell shares, problem would be i guess that people wouldn't know what they were going to get for them.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]no instead it will be ok for normal people to loose jobs,homes,and loved ones you just watch it happens every time that some poor soul who feels they have let everyone down will do the worst thing possible and do themselves in
whilst others on here will seek the Morale high ground
The irony here though is that normal people have pretty much caused this - to be fair if you lend money to a fool, then you're a fool, but the thing that gets right on my tits here is people whining about the institutions this and the banks that, but nobody is saying that it is the dopes that created all the bad debt that have really driven all this.
Rubbish, if you don't mind me saying so Morts, it's all started by rich financiers. A couple of multi-multi millionaires get a bit windy about where their next luxury yatch is coming from, and start f'ing around with stocks and shares and the next thing the multi millionaire greed merchants follow suit and so on down the line. By the time the 100% mortgage brigade get in the line of fire the damage has been done.
As I have said before, it's all smoke and mirrors anyway, nothing has actually happened to change the real world.
Perhaps the good fallout from this will be that people will realise what a load of emperors new clothes the whole financial system is, and realise that the actions of these people are the real threat to all of us, not a few immigrants as the Mail and Express would have us believe.
[quote][cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]One thing I wonder (in my limited knowledge of such things) is why if mortgage lending is so knackered, rather than bailing out these banks, why do the BOE not lend money direct to the public than bailing out these ailing institutions at the lower interest rates?
'Growth' based on borrowed debt driven money... it had to fail at soem time as people could borrow no more, institutions could not find money to lend no more and those who'd borrowed it found they couldn't pay it back. Not rocket science just downright poor unregulated fiscal practice.
as the article says I think the plan at the moment effectively does just this with the BoE acting as guarantor of interbank lending - not sure though as not an expert.
[cite]Posted By: Latimer[/cite]'Growth' based on borrowed debt driven money... it had to fail at soem time as people could borrow no more, institutions could not find money to lend no more and those who'd borrowed it found they couldn't pay it back. Not rocket science just downright poor unregulated fiscal practice.
If anybody's interested in reading about how this all started (yes, yes, i know it actually started years ago, but the Credit Crunch is the main driver behind our current predicament) then check out this book. It details the insanity of subprime lending and has some, frankly, ludicrous tales in there - like lenders trekking into a swamp in Louisiana to get a retarded man to sign up for a 300 grand mortgage when he had never had a job and had no hope of ever making ONE repayment on it.
Its similar to tulipmania, the south sea bubble and the dotcom boom - but has enough differences to make it more 'interesting' for economists, and more 'worrying' for real people.
Major indexes held a diving competition. Japan’s Nikkei 225 Index/Tokyo ($JP:N225) fell into uncharted deep waters, sinking well past the 10,000-point support floor to the 8,000 level to close 9.6% lower. London’s FTSE 100 Index ($GB:UKX) has sunk below the 4000-point level for the first time in 5 years and is currently down about 7%. Gold, meanwhile, was up to an 11-week high as investors swam for safety.
LOL at the last sentence....Two Sheds he's only got Two Sheds...sell your house quickly & buy some Gold!
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Pound to Aussie dollar 2.67!!!
Euro to Aussie dollar 2.1!!!
riduculous movement......
the world is melting .....
:)
that would mean a whole new banking system - to which i refer you to my earlier comment!!
Branson tried to introduce a new system when he tried to buy Northen Rock.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070650/Disgraced-chief-failed-bank-Lehman-Brothers-pocketed-172million-collapse.html
That's what they always say anyway!
How about the fact that a few weeks before the axe fell Lehman Brothers paid out some $40 million to the Execs ?
That's not funny. The guy and the rest of his cronies should have their assets siezed and be put in jail for the rest of their lives.
whilst others on here will seek the Morale high ground
The government as a major share holder of the offending banks should now insist.
You can't do that in a free market - and a free global market at that, the Bank's shares are quoted on several stock markets so you'd need a lot of international co-operation to do something that most would disagree with. People have got to be able to flog off their shares if they want. I don't really agree with the ban on short selling (basically traders betting on shares going down, and if enough of them do it, it creates a panic and they all start doing it) either - it's supposed to be a capitalist economy - but that was a sensible move. The current drops are mostly all paper losses and the institutions are generally sound. If you bought 10 grands worth of RBS shares at the right time this morning and flogged them at the right time around lunchtime you'd have picked up 5 grand pure profit. They're not making any more or less money. With HBOS it could have been more. Basically, if everyone calmed the f*ck down, it'd sort itself out pretty quickly. They do need to stop lending money to people who can't pay it back. 125% mortgages that are 6 times the borrowers salary etc. are a great way to screw your business up, as they've found to their cost.
The BoE don't want to deal with the public because they are a pain in the hole. They also don't have staff, branches, systems etc. If this ever happened they'd be so conservative nobody would get a mortgage, which may be a good thing.
The irony here though is that normal people have pretty much caused this - to be fair if you lend money to a fool, then you're a fool, but the thing that gets right on my tits here is people whining about the institutions this and the banks that, but nobody is saying that it is the dopes that created all the bad debt that have really driven all this.
Rubbish, if you don't mind me saying so Morts, it's all started by rich financiers. A couple of multi-multi millionaires get a bit windy about where their next luxury yatch is coming from, and start f'ing around with stocks and shares and the next thing the multi millionaire greed merchants follow suit and so on down the line. By the time the 100% mortgage brigade get in the line of fire the damage has been done.
As I have said before, it's all smoke and mirrors anyway, nothing has actually happened to change the real world.
Perhaps the good fallout from this will be that people will realise what a load of emperors new clothes the whole financial system is, and realise that the actions of these people are the real threat to all of us, not a few immigrants as the Mail and Express would have us believe.
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Or this leading on from your post
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/796-how-to-stem-the-banking-crisis
Why wouldn't this work?
Who is your business loan with then Lats?
;-)
LOL at the last sentence....Two Sheds he's only got Two Sheds...sell your house quickly & buy some Gold!