Personally it saddened me to see him equal Moore's record last night. I know things are different these days but really, he’s not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as one of the best defenders to ever play the game. How he's equalled the record tells us more about the state of English football than Beckhams ability IMO. Okay a nice through ball for Carlton Cole last night but for me all the weaknesses are still there in his game, as they’ve always been, except now his legs have gone as well. Make last night the last time please Fabio.
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As for the Moore/Beckham debate - I never saw Moore play so only make comments based on his "legend" status. On an international scale, Becks will never be mentioned in the same breath unless somehow he is still around next year and we end up winning the WC with his great free kick against Togo in the final.
His ability and influence cannot be denied, Man U struggled (!) after he left until Ronaldo filled his potential, he pushed Real Madrid to the title once he was recalled (by Capello) and his domestic honours are far superior to that of Moore's.
In the end 108 is just a number but that are both excellent footballers and great ambassadors (i'd rate Beckham higher than Moore here) for the English game.
Think they are both crap but Sam is just about better!
As for Beckham, should still be in the team & I think he has so many caps because he has consistently been our best player for the last decade! There is no other English player that can pick out passes, etc like him. There are still probably not that many in the world!
BTW Could Moore play in todays game, he was slow as a donkey so I doubt he would be the player he was!!!
As a starter no - good to have on the bench as an impact sub if needed.
Beck's should remain in the squad. Last night he was our best player and made Downing look what he is..average.
Yum.
i know little sis will be turning nose up - too pretty. but still i bet you would!
But he is a dishy dish.
So Les looks like you on your own mate.
David Beckham - 108 Caps - 54 complete games
Mind you, subs are allowed now ;-)
As for the Moore/Beckham debate - I never saw Moore play so only make comments based on his "legend" status. On an international scale, Becks will never be mentioned in the same breath unless somehow he is still around next year and we end up winning the WC with his great free kick against Togo in the final.
His ability and influence cannot be denied, Man U struggled (!) after he left until Ronaldo filled his potential, he pushed Real Madrid to the title once he was recalled (by Capello) and his domestic honours are far superior to that of Moore's.
In the end 108 is just a number but that are both excellent footballers and great ambassadors (i'd rate Beckham higher than Moore here) for the English game.[/quote]
great post - Beckham 100% yes, the thing wrong wtih English football is that nobody is good enough at the moment to replace him...as a passer of the ball and from set pieces, nobody can touch him
David Beckham Is and Has been for ages one of the only players in the team that could walk into virtually any side in the world.
He left for the US of A due to mclaren being such a prick that he thought his chance would never come again
Long live David Beckham the true Outfield King of English football plus all those Hamsters must be gutted
the bloke is class
For me he still can't head, tackle, beat his man, remain in his position, track back like he used to, complete 90 minutes, be relied on not to get sent off or beat the first man with more than 75% of his set pieces...and he will be how old by the next tournament?
I'll get me coat.
James
Cole Ferdinand Terry Johnson
Beckham
phillips gerread lampard cole/downing/young
Rooney
Defoe/Owen/ etc..
yo must either have the best eyes for picking a player or truly one of the worst ;-)
LOL I see what you mean. Just never rated him as the world beater that the press have made him out to be and most people have swallowed it. A good player yes, maybe even very good for a couple of years, but never a great player IMHO hence the comparison to Moore rankles a bit. Stick a face on him like Bowyers and he'd have nowhere near the caps he has but the press turned him into an untouchable icon.
As for all this tosh about walking into any team in the world too...he wasn't even the best player at United...to paraphrase John Lennon.
Worth his place as far as I am concerned. The run and through ball to Cole was the one bit of class from us last night.
Soon Capello will have to make a choice - SWP I think will be a starter on the right and the choice is going to Beckham, Milner and Bentley to contest the last squad place. As the latter two aren't fit then Beckham gets the nod.
As for Beckham or Moore, I think that's a false comparison, different players, different eras and different positions.
Thats my point really. Because of the hype and badge kissing with him what he actually brings to the team is often overlooked. We wasted a generation of potentially very good players because successive managers have always accomodated him to the detriment of the overall. You can do that with a Zidane or Maradona but Beckham's so far away from that quality of player.
Anyway, me coats on and I'm out of here...
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We wasted a generation of players because of poor management, part of which was an over-obsession with playing Beckham when it unbalanced the team, but also in insisting on for example continuing to select Gerrard and Lampard together when it was obvious that they couldn't play in the same team. Earlier there was an obsession with picking Emile Heskey and latterly with Peter Crouch, strange how once those two left Liverpool that their England careers immediately tailed off...
Bear in mind SGE's lunatic decision at the last World Cup to take one forward in Rooney who was still injured, one forward in Owen who was just back after a long injury lay-off, the 17 year old Walcott and Peter Crouch. That had nothing to do with Beckham.