So what's been going on?

nigel

Finally back from extended hols, having missed the last four games.

When I went away we were nine points adrift from safety. Looking at the table this morning, we are now nine points adrift from the team that's second to bottom.

Yet lots of you say we have been playing with guts and determination and we've just enjoyed a three match undefeated spell for the first time this season.

So how are we in a worse position than when I went away almost a month ago? I guess the only answer is that every other team in the division, including Southampton and Norwich, is better than us. We'd all like to stay up. But is there anybody out there who actually thinks we deserve to?

While I've been away, I see Parkinson has officially overtaken Pardew in the lousy manager stakes:

Pardew 16 pts from 18 games

Parkinson 11 pts from 17 games

So well done, Pardew and Parky. Well done Mr Murray and Mr Chapple. Well done each and every one of the 38 players who have worn the shirt with such distinction. Thank you all for such a proud season.

And I read elsewhere on this site that we now have so-called Charlton supporters singing racist chants from the stands.

What is happening to our club? I feel like going straight back to the airport to get the first flight out again!

Where's Oggy ? Come on, Oggster - tell me it's all going to be OK and have nothing to worry about!!!

LargeAddick

keep the faith. We are 12 behind Blackpool with a game in hand and them to visit The Valley so only six points to make up. (posted as a stand-in for Oggy.)

My opinion, we are fooked.

razil

I think these stats ignore that Parky took over a very bad situation, and has some might argue before last night made a significant positive impact which has begun to have an effect on points. Over a season we may be the worst club, but possibly with a new coach and quite different squad for the latter part of the season this may not be true, unfortunately as the deficit remains we may need championship winning form to escape the mire.

AFKABartram

What's happened Nigel is we have had the stuffing knocked out of us on two fronts. Firstly, the other teams at the bottom producing results that no one in their right mind would have predicted, and secondly we were outsmarted by a Doncaster side who on the night, were excellent. Yet we still could have won.

There have been plenty of well documented wrongs this season, but its also been coupled with some filthy luck at times.

That's life.

AFKABartram

And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

Ledge

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

REALLY ??????????????

Explain please in more detail old chap.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

You mean Parkinsella surely : - )

BBClaus

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

Without any doubt I would rather have parky/parkinsella in charge next year than pardew.

LargeAddick

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

uhmm, not for me. An improvement maybe but not by a lot.

golfaddick

yes, thanks to parkinson we are onto our 3rd loanee righ back when we have one already

.......and thanks to Parky for his first forage into the transfer market, a loanee that became a full signing........Deon Burton

.........and for playing Bailey wide left

apart from that he was the perfect appoitment.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

uhmm, not for me. An improvement maybe but not by a lot.

AFKA has said by a factor of 10. How would you express the improvement.

I would say 63% better on a mean average of passion, plain speaking, player selection, permanence (settled XI) and Parkinsellism

razil

some of Parkys decisions/signings have left me a bit concerned, however I still think he's a better manager than Pards, perhaps not ten times,

Pards well below average to poor
Parky average to just above average

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]yes, thanks to parkinson we are onto our 3rd loanee righ back when we have one already

.......and thanks to Parky for his first forage into the transfer market, a loanee that became a full signing........Deon Burton

.........and for playing Bailey wide left

apart from that he was the perfect appoitment.

Where Bailey continues to score goals.

Burton obviously needs to be dropped to the bench to allow the goal machine Dickson to play. Oh, he has been.

But I can see you point about the right back we have. Why not play Solly? I bet he wants to play for the club unlike Moo2.

Henry Irving

Pardew will manage Crystal Palace (assuming they are still in business) in the next 3 years and he will be a success.

oohaahmortimer

i heard pardew was in the running for (palaces greatest rivals) the brighton job

ShootersHillGuru

I wouldn`t bet against that Henry.

stop_shouting

How anyone can say Parky's been a success is beyond me. Look where we are in the league ffs! He's leading us into the third division at a rate of knots & we've a team of loanees..AGAIN.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]I wouldn`t bet against that Henry.

Me neither. His brand of motivation and public speaking will go down a treat with the Nigels.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: stop shouting[/cite]How anyone can say Parky's been a success is beyond me. Look where we are in the league ffs! He's leading us into the third division at a rate of knots & we've a team of loanees..AGAIN.

"Success" Who said that?

Improvement yes but not success.

stop_shouting

Ok imrovement then. Check Nigel's post Henry. I'm struggling to see the "improvement".

Daggs

This is what i posted on an earlier thread. My opinion hasn't changed over four hours.

There are many mitigating circumstances re. Parkinson and how badly we are doing. Lack of finance being the big'un. But in the end, he ain't good enough. There's no point sacking him now. Next season will be a new division, probably a virtually new team again. It should start with a new manager too!

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: stop shouting[/cite]Ok imrovement then. Check Nigel's post Henry. I'm struggling to see the "improvement".

I'm not.

LenGlover

The truth is that we HAVE improved but our relegation rivals have improved more hence our worsening position.

Mortimerician

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]
Pardew 16 pts from 18 games
Parkinson 11 pts from 17 games

Struggling to understand the rationale, given the facts.

nigel

Thanks for all these observations, as I try to catch up with how we've been doing.

It seems that with relegation looming, Parky has instilled a bit of fight into the side. It would be alarming if he hadn't.

But his results are still : -

a) worse than Pardew's

and

b) worse in recent weeks than Southampton, Norwich, Forest, Plymouth , Doncaster and all the other teams fearing for their survival.

As Len pointed out, we clearly have improved , but the other teams facing the gallows have improved more than us. What's more, they all now seem to be winning games away from home (something we've managed once all season - and that under Pardew).

AFKA says that nobody in their right mind could have predicted other teams getting those kind of results. Not sure I agree with that : teams threatened with relegation at this time of the season customarly pull out all the stops and start pivking up points they would not have got earlier in the season.

I think it is reasonable to ask why we're not accumulating points in the same quantity as the other teams down the bottom. Do Soton/Forest/Norwch etc have better players? More motivational management?

The conclusion seems to be that Parky has got us playing better. Indeed he may well have got the best out of us. But the simple truth is that our best under Parky has still been nowhere near good enough. Or am I wrong?

LargeAddick

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]And Parkinson to me has so far proved ten times the manager than Pardew was.

uhmm, not for me. An improvement maybe but not by a lot.

AFKA has said by a factor of 10. How would you express the improvement.

I would say 63% better on a mean average of passion, plain speaking, player selection, permanence (settled XI) and Parkinsellism

overall about a 15% improvement but even that isn't bourne out by results.