I would support a Bank Holiday, although I deplore extreme nationalism it'd be nice to have another day off, and would let those who want to celebrate English or more preferable Britishness do so.
[quote][cite]Posted By: SE9[/cite]Allways a good day. I think in two years time it will be on a saturday which will see a bigger celebration than a midweek St Georges day! Norwich away was the last time it was on a saturday. Happy Days[/quote]
I just about remember getting escorted out of Carrow Road. . . .great :o(
I remember not being able to get out of that river i jumped into and the women who worked in that pub standing at the riverside with my mate not looking very impressed!!!!!
[cite]Posted By: SE9[/cite]I remember not being able to get out of that river i jumped into and the women who worked in that pub standing at the riverside with my mate not looking very impressed!!!!!
I can remember celebrating St George's day at school when I was a nipper. It has always been around, just not in an 'in yer face' modern way that such things are now.
I think Razil made some good points as to why this was the case historically - however, i must also take exception to his slagging of English folk music. It is just as valid as any other music from the British Isles and has just as rich a history, from the days of Wat Tyler and even further back than that.
I was reading up on the history of the first English people - those who created the Kingdom of Kent, and the legends/history surrounding them. It appears that when you go back far enough, the history of any peoples becomes a mixture of 'fact' and myth. The same is true of that of the celtic nations, its just that they were here before we arrived! They do not have more history or culture, just a different history and culture. All cultures are equally valid.
[cite]Posted By: SE9[/cite]Allways a good day. I think in two years time it will be on a saturday which will see a bigger celebration than a midweek St Georges day! Norwich away was the last time it was on a saturday. Happy Days
We had a great day in the Pheonix in Dartford that day.
Just found out, the in laws are taking us to the Royal Albert Hall on Sunday for the ST Georges day gala, crack on, wouldn't mind but she's Irish and he's a sweaty.
'A celebration of England's National Day with world-famous and rousing classics presented by Leslie Phillips'
WALTON - Crown Imperial
ELGAR - 'Nimrod' from Enigma Variations
HANDEL - See the conquering Hero Comes, Hallelujah Chorus from Messiah, Zadok the Priest
ARNOLD - Allegro Non Troppo from the English Dances
DELIUS - On Hearing the First Cuckoo in Spring
WALTON - Popular Song from Facade
COATES - Knightsbridge March
ADAMS - The Holy City
and a host of favourite English classics including Jerusalem, Rule Britannia!, Hornpipe, A Nightingale sang in Berkeley Square, We'll meet again, 633 Squadron, The White Cliffs of Dover and Land of Hope and Glory.
And 'Now entertain conjecture of a time' from Henry V and poems by Wordsworth and Betjeman
Claire Moore soprano
Royal Choral Society
Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra
Anthony Inglis conductor
If you had been a cub scout like me then you would have been aware of St George's day for a lot longer the "....past few years..." since it has been "hijacked".
St George's day fell out of fashion because the English enthusiastically supported the notion of Britain. Whereas the Scots and Welsh were reluctant to accept Britishness.
Since 1998 when Blair created Devolution for Scotland then later Wales, the English identity has begun to awaken again.
Comments about St George being a Turk who lived in Portugal and didn't really slay a dragon are irrelevant. Notice how no one ever queries was St Andrew really Scottish? or St David really Welsh? It's just a way for people to belittle the English nation.
St George is simply a symbol, his flag is the flag of England. I'm proud to be English. I will celebrate the 23rd of April as i have done since i was a child.
It's not compulsory, if you don't wish to join in, then don't. But do not attempt to deny those of us who wish to celebrate, with nonsense about the far right or foreign saints.
I welcome the increasing awareness of England and Englishness and hope it eventually leads to us having the same Democratic rights as afforded to the Scots and Welsh now.
[cite]Another example is English folk music which pretty much doesn't exist in comparison to Scots, or Irish traditional music[/cite]
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Sorry Razil but that is absolute total & utter first rate crap!!
Shirley Collins, Dolly Collins, Anne Briggs, Sandy Denny, Pentangle, Trees, Fairport Convention, Martin & Eliza Carthy, Davy Graham, Barry Dransfield and the great Vashti Bunyan to name but a modern interpretors of traditional English folk songs...
go and buy the first few albums by Fairport Convention, especially Liege & Lief & then tell me that English folk music pretty much doesn't exist...
I've always been proud to be English and have worn a button hole or badge on 23 April.
Glad to see people celebrating it more rather than moaning, wrongly, about not being allowed to celebrate it or how hard it is to be English. No, actually it's quite easy.
Don't celebrate St Patricks' Day as I'm not Irish but quite happy that others do. No skin off my nose and if the recent celebrations made people sit up and think "we should do that on 23 April" then great.
Shooters Hill Just because YOU have ignored St Georges day for the last 53 years, its a bit of a generalisation to state that 'nobody has given a Sh!te about it'. just not true mate
Its precisely this lethargy that has allowed the 'lily livered lefties' to ride roughshod over everything english for the last 53 years .
[cite]Posted By: clivey_hero[/cite]Shooters Hill
Just because YOU have ignored St Georges day for the last 53 years, its a bit of a generalisation to state that 'nobody has given a Sh!te about it'. just not true mate
Its precisely this lethargy that has allowed the 'lily livered lefties' to ride roughshod over everything english for the last 53 years .
If he chooses not to celebrate, fine, his choice, but I agree totally with your last paragraph, it's the "why bother" brigade I have issues with rather than the "wont bother" brigade.
[cite]Posted By: charltonkeston[/cite]Why not celebrate Trafalgar day as well and make that the bank holiday between August and Christmas?
It would also wind up the French and Spanish.
Why would it wind up the Spanish? They were on our side in the Peninsula War...
[cite]Posted By: charltonkeston[/cite]Why not celebrate Trafalgar day as well and make that the bank holiday between August and Christmas?
It would also wind up the French and Spanish.
Why would it wind up the Spanish? They were on our side in the Peninsula War...
You might want to check on that particular battle.
As Suzi said enugh threads about this already, it was my f**ked up whisper that started this one.
All the hog wash about the ultra right nicked our flag ----------------- so what do the Labour Party and the Left sing/ wave then ? total total total bolox wave your Red Flag sing the International and leave St Georges Day to to those who WANT to celebrate it, and if you dont it wont make a rat arse diferance to me.
The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts blood dyed its every fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high. (chorus)
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Look round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.
It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.
It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.
It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.
With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.
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I just about remember getting escorted out of Carrow Road. . . .great :o(
The missus was not amused.
SE9, is your dad Steve B? (ex-Cherry Orchard)
Weren't we all? What a day!
cheers D.
I can remember celebrating St George's day at school when I was a nipper. It has always been around, just not in an 'in yer face' modern way that such things are now.
I think Razil made some good points as to why this was the case historically - however, i must also take exception to his slagging of English folk music. It is just as valid as any other music from the British Isles and has just as rich a history, from the days of Wat Tyler and even further back than that.
I was reading up on the history of the first English people - those who created the Kingdom of Kent, and the legends/history surrounding them. It appears that when you go back far enough, the history of any peoples becomes a mixture of 'fact' and myth. The same is true of that of the celtic nations, its just that they were here before we arrived! They do not have more history or culture, just a different history and culture. All cultures are equally valid.
We had a great day in the Pheonix in Dartford that day.
'A celebration of England's National Day with world-famous and rousing classics presented by Leslie Phillips'
WALTON - Crown Imperial
ELGAR - 'Nimrod' from Enigma Variations
HANDEL - See the conquering Hero Comes, Hallelujah Chorus from Messiah, Zadok the Priest
ARNOLD - Allegro Non Troppo from the English Dances
DELIUS - On Hearing the First Cuckoo in Spring
WALTON - Popular Song from Facade
COATES - Knightsbridge March
ADAMS - The Holy City
and a host of favourite English classics including Jerusalem, Rule Britannia!, Hornpipe, A Nightingale sang in Berkeley Square, We'll meet again, 633 Squadron, The White Cliffs of Dover and Land of Hope and Glory.
And 'Now entertain conjecture of a time' from Henry V and poems by Wordsworth and Betjeman
Claire Moore soprano
Royal Choral Society
Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra
Anthony Inglis conductor
Far too good for the likes of me :-)
Since 1998 when Blair created Devolution for Scotland then later Wales, the English identity has begun to awaken again.
Comments about St George being a Turk who lived in Portugal and didn't really slay a dragon are irrelevant. Notice how no one ever queries was St Andrew really Scottish? or St David really Welsh? It's just a way for people to belittle the English nation.
St George is simply a symbol, his flag is the flag of England. I'm proud to be English. I will celebrate the 23rd of April as i have done since i was a child.
It's not compulsory, if you don't wish to join in, then don't. But do not attempt to deny those of us who wish to celebrate, with nonsense about the far right or foreign saints.
I welcome the increasing awareness of England and Englishness and hope it eventually leads to us having the same Democratic rights as afforded to the Scots and Welsh now.
Well said Oakster
I've always been proud to be English and have worn a button hole or badge on 23 April.
Glad to see people celebrating it more rather than moaning, wrongly, about not being allowed to celebrate it or how hard it is to be English. No, actually it's quite easy.
Don't celebrate St Patricks' Day as I'm not Irish but quite happy that others do. No skin off my nose and if the recent celebrations made people sit up and think "we should do that on 23 April" then great.
I've mentioned on here before but my wife says that it is the most drunk she's ever seen me!
Just because YOU have ignored St Georges day for the last 53 years, its a bit of a generalisation to state that 'nobody has given a Sh!te about it'. just not true mate
Its precisely this lethargy that has allowed the 'lily livered lefties' to ride roughshod over everything english for the last 53 years .
If he chooses not to celebrate, fine, his choice, but I agree totally with your last paragraph, it's the "why bother" brigade I have issues with rather than the "wont bother" brigade.
It would also wind up the French and Spanish.
Why would it wind up the Spanish? They were on our side in the Peninsula War...
On the 24th May - chosen because it was Queen Victoria's hatching day.
I read that as 'would also wind up french and saunders' !!
Teaches me to read to fast!!
You might want to check on that particular battle.
All the hog wash about the ultra right nicked our flag ----------------- so what do the Labour Party and the Left sing/ wave then ? total total total bolox wave your Red Flag sing the International and leave St Georges Day to to those who WANT to celebrate it, and if you dont it wont make a rat arse diferance to me.
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts blood dyed its every fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high. (chorus)
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Look round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.
It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.
It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.
It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.
With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.
Always liked it