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Greenwich Market

edited June 2009 in Not Sports Related
Greenwich hospital trying to move the covered market to the grounds of the naval college temporarily while they rebuild the old market and turn it into "bluewater".

lot of work going on in greenwich, not all good. And the foot tunnel looks set to be closed for ayear while they redevelop it... so i wont be able to walk to the Gun (when i go).

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    Didnt know you frequented the Gun. Its my works local.
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    i dont - in another thread, shag was there yesterday! im going to try it out soon tho.
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    This whole market issue has been going on for a long time - it's an absolute joke. There is nothing wrong with the market now, it's a great place. Many of the stall holders will not fit into the temporary premises and who knows how many will get back.

    It will be a sanitised version of a market that currently has character. And the 'boutique' hotel that is being built around it is going to cause total havoc with the traffic congestion when guests arrive.

    Once again, money talks - it's a f*kng disgrace!
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    i read it on "Gilligans greenwich".. okay he's not everyone's cup of tea but its about local stuff so i find it interesting.

    foot tunnel
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    jump on the dlr one stop?

    :)
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    [cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]jump on the dlr one stop?

    :)
    oh i dont mind about the tunnel but am sure all the cyclists might. getting the boat across is nicer.
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    Having grown up there I gave up on Greenwich retaining its character a few years back, commercialisation and short sighted planner/developers whos only interest seems to be cash.
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    Yes i have the phantom bookmarked. good blog.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we're talking about the covered weekend craft market are we( where Mick Gibbett has his leather shop...Hide All)....it's the old bit near the Hotel/Thertre that they want to redevelop....to be fair it could do with something of a revamp.
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    We are talking about the covered market Soundas. They are going to build a hotel into it.
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    The old bit near the cinema - opposite cafe Rouge and the Ibis Hotel wont be developed for a while now apparently.

    It was goign to be a big retail and housing development but the developers cant get the financial backing in the current climate.

    There was talk of Greenwich uni building a school of architecture there though.

    The 'proper' market is going to be hugely developed with lots of new shops being built.

    watch them f##k it all up though.
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    Lived in Azof St, and visited family in Greenwich since before I can remember. Good old Labour's disgraceful building density regs will absolutely ruin the nature of East Greenwich. As for central Greenwich???? Kick everybody out and return Goddards to it's pride of place.
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    i was askin a friend earlier but does anyone live near little cottage place - near roan street and if so what its like round there? thanks
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    edited June 2009
    Greenwich hospital has owned Greenwich Market since 1700.

    A 2006 plan to close the market and redevelop the site with flats and shops was defeated by the planning committee. So now it wants to 'revitalise' the market and cram in a 4 storey boutique hotel into the island between the Naval Hospital and Hawksmoor parish church.

    The plain 1950's buildings, with shops, that line the market square will be rebuilt higher to accommodate restaurants and bars. The existing roof is to be replaced with a canopied structure supported on a 'forest' of columns. The cobbles are to be replaced with granite steps. The Victorian storage spaces next to the Durnford Street approach willl give way to the Hotel (100 rooms) squeezed into a semi-circular site.

    The market will survive but it will be more like a new shopping centre and I bet your bottom dollar that the existing businesses won't be able to afford to stay.

    Planning permission is hoped to be received next month so the Hotel can open in time for the 2012 Olympics - as Greenwich Park will be commandeered for the equestrian events.
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    [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]We are talking about the covered market Soundas. They are going to build a hotel into it.

    Oh right B I am very very surprised....not too sure about this....I like abit of tradition to tell you the truth.....and the old covered fruit and veg market surely has a preservation order on it?
    Christ almighty what a dramatic and risky project......to say nothing of the huge costs involved and loss of earnings for existing businesses.
    Can see a mountain of protests and battles going on for yonks before this is given the green light.... if indeed it ever is.
    Why don't they develop the other market, god knows it needs something doing to it....surely they could and that would be far more justified than f'ing around with the beautiful old covered market place and it's wonderful oldie world feel.
    I bet poor old Mick Gibbett's having kittens!
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    gilligan again

    Mr Gebbet doesnt appear to be if this article is to be believed. They need to keep the traditional side of the market rather than turn it into a souless place.
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    [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]gilligan again

    Mr Gebbet doesnt appear to be if this article is to be believed. They need to keep the traditional side of the market rather than turn it into a souless place.

    Oh well, maybe he has ulterior motives, I really like Mick (as do we all) so I'll have to speak to him directly sometime to get his exact take on it.
    I fancy that in order for this to get the go ahead and be finished in time for 2012 it would take a minor miracle don't you B?
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    I think this is the second attempt at planning from Greenwich hospital as the first set of plans caused uproar but someone else may correct me on this. i think they will find a way of pushing it through.
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    To be honest I think Greenwich market desperately needs redevelopment. However, these plans seem to be something of a quick fix, off the cuff response to the Olympics rather than the considered sensitive redevelopment required. If the Market were to be redeveloped in keeping with the architectural style then I would have no objection. Also, redevelopment at this time will create a load of jobs in the are.

    My worry is that over the past 10 years, particularly since the arrival of the DLR station, Greenwich village has become a soulless pastiche of itself. The exception being the way the covered market has developed into a bloody good place to eat, the best Thai green curry in London I reckon.

    As much as all this redevelopment is required I'm beginning to get tired of the rush to get things completed for the 2012 Olympics. Granted, the foot tunnel is in desperate need of refurbishment, there is no provision planned for alternative river crossing. This turns what is already a complete nightmare of a commute into an unholy mess. At weekends the whole East end is a virtual no go area anyway, everything is shutting down.
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    Remember, it'll be well worth a couple of years of chaos, resulting in 1 month of profiteering from the Olympics.
    Only you won't profit.
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    Just a few things here, what do you mean by saying Greenwich Hospital owns Greenwich market, greenwich hospital as in GDH, where i was born, and is not there any more?? Thats just weird!!

    Also, what on earth is a 'boutique' hotel when its at home??

    Confused of belevederederderedxefrerederfdecdetfcegsjhshwygfteruhlk;s;oksahjggterreerrerererereeee
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    My late grandfather was the building supervisor of Greenwich council in the late 50's early 60s. he lived in Greenwich all his life and wanted to retain the old buildings of Greenwich especially around the market and the police station and Gloucester circus.To rebuild and conserve them. Councillors were 'hell bent' I remember his words to this day to knock down the 'slums' they called Gloucester circus (and rip one of the best Georgian Crescent's , similar to Bath's world famous Royal crescent to shreds)

    How ironic that these days these house's are worth virtually millions, like Crooms Hill and Hyde Vale and give the area it's character, it's heritage and correct setting. Now they want to 'Bluewater' a vibrant working market, not perfect by any means , but loved by the local community, and everyone else world wide who visit's the place. Not sure these tourists visit Woolwich for there wonderful neo- socalist vision of architecture, and the crap council buildings that I had to endure as a youngster. Gems such as the Ferrier, Springfields, Mascall's too name but a few, are not in two many books on architecture on getting it right Eh!....... But let's press ahead with another Tesco, Boots, Coffee shop and bugger the community........ Just leave alone people, and concerntrate on putting right 'estates' that your colleagues created....
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    Boutique hotels started turning up in the late 90z. Generaly refurbed buildings -- old banks etc. they tend to be small very modern and totaly devoid of any type of feeling/atmosphere etc. If you know the Strand , where it meets The Aldwich , there is one there called No 1 that used to be a bank.


    Social engineering with buildings----social engineering with people -------------------------------wonder where these "master minds" are now?
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    [cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Boutique hotels started turning up in the late 90z. Generaly refurbed buildings -- old banks etc. they tend to be small very modern and totaly devoid of any type of feeling/atmosphere etc. If you know the Strand , where it meets The Aldwich , there is one there called No 1 that used to be a bank.


    Social engineering with buildings----social engineering with people
    wonder where these "master minds" are now?

    Lying on a beach in Bermuda is my guess!
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    Greenwich do not have a very good record in terms of town planning and new developments. All major redevelopments in Greenwich read like a who's who of what not to do when planning a major development. I believe that at one point there was even a plan to redevelop a certain football ground in SE7.

    Take your pick, The Ferrier Estate, Thamesmead, The Millennium Village, to name but a few. Greenwich council clearly have not got a clue.
    Remember, it'll be well worth a couple of years of chaos, resulting in 1 month of profiteering from the Olympics.
    Only you won't profit.
    There are a lot of shit ideas getting the go ahead off the back of the Olympics.
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    Ferrier was GLC built so was Thamesmead

    Sure that LBG didn't design Millennium Village, that was English Partnerships (I think).
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    Surely greenwich council has a role in planning permission for a lot of these projects BDL? I'm not dead against Greenwich council and I don't really remember much of the GLC apart from posters my Nan had in her houses' window. Look through any council's planning permission and there was loads of mistakes in the 50's and 60's.

    I actually quite liked East Greenwich hospital, bit of a fan of Brutalist architechture, until my Uncle went in and nearly didn't come out. The greatest thing about Greenwich was a lack of poncey development as seen in places like Clapham, Hoxton, Shoreditch etc.... but I suppose it'll come full pelt next boom.
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    Interesting stuff Ken. You do have to wonder. One of the things that Greenwich has going for it against most other areas of London and indeed most British towns is that it isn't an identikit highstreet with it's New Look, Body Shop etc. etc. It'd be a big shame. People turn up every weekend because you can get unique bits and bobs there. I can't see another Primark having the same draw.
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