I've been working at my "new" workplace for over 18 months now and from week one it's been absolute shite. My boss is a clueless tosser who isn't just incompetent he's downright disruptive and generally detrimental to the operation of the team. Everyone knows he's crap and since I've been there I've had a number of senior people within the firm approach me to say that it wont be allowed to go on much longer. Apparently the bloke before me left as he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown and they don't want it to happen again. Not that it would with me - I'd be more likely to smack him than let him do that to me.
Anyway, it all came to a head when one of my juniors said he'd had enough of it all and was going to walk. This fella is absolutely mustard so I dug my heels in and made it clear to certain people that if this fella goes then I really couldn't see the point in me staying.
I was then called into a meeting with the firms head honcho who told me that they didn't want me - or my man - to go and they were going to bullet my boss. They were hoping to do it that day, but failing that the day after.
That was three weeks ago and the c*** is still there.
So, my CL friends, what do we reckon - should I walk??? It might be a problem getting something else what with the current climate, but I'm now more pissed off with the firm for the shocking way they have handled all of this then I am with the bloke being a knob in the first place!
What say you?
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That's kinda what I gave them - but not in a foolish all guns blazing sort of way. A bit more subtle than that.
I can't help thinking that they're maybe calling my bluff. I just don't think the top man has the gonads to do it.
Life is too short to be dealing with mugs.
Can you afford to walk, as you will not get benefits if you walk, albeit that they are not massive, but if you have mortgage protection insurance you won't be able to claim it.
I wonder wether the behaviour by your boss and the lack of action by your firm is constructive dismissal (yuo would need to talk to someone more in the know than me),if you can show them that it is you can strengthen your leverage. be careful though as they may call your bluff and equally new employers would be loath to employ someone who has taken his previous emplyer to tribunal.
What would be the reasons for sacking your boss? They will need to have good reasons, maybe they have given him a warning etc.
Softly softly is the approach here.
I dont believe doing things in heat of the moment will achieve much other than a feel good moment. I've done it myself. A few years ago I told the managing director what I thought of him, his firm and the people that worked there. I certainly felt better for doing it but then Monday came round and I had to look for work. 6 years on, I just wish kept my mouth shut and just walked away. No one was intrested in my rants, they just wanted me to do the job I was paid for.
It was a good feeling at the time though and things did work out for the better for me. But a bigger man would have would not made the scene I did.
Being a life time knee-jerker myself , I would recommend not knee jerking , I have never ever felt better afterwards for knee jerking .
But having said that , you clearly need to do something otherwise you'll never be happy.
I would make a plan of action for either staying and sorting it all out , or for getting a new job , all depends on what you really want to do. Ask yourself the questions and make a plan
good luck mate
Keston, that is good advice - especially with mortgage and family to feed.
Look around to see what else is out there, Offy ....... you're clearly unhappy with the way the company is run, let alone with your immediate manager.
An ultimatum may work but what if it doesn't? You can't really back down.
And even if your manager is inept, you can't really be seen to be deliberately pulling the rug from under his feet.
No point giving them both barrels, just to make yourself feel better for 5 minutes.
But don't shoot yourself in the foot.
Brilliant.
What I would do is to write an email or memo (does anyone actually still write memos?) confirming the details of the meeting you had with him, ie that he said your immediate boss would be leaving. Also ask him what over what timescale this is going to take place. That would force his hand either to confirm and give you a timescale (in whaich case, you know where you stand); or to deny the content of the meeting you had (in which case, you really know where you stand).
Hope it works out in the right way for you; but I would advise against walking. Good luck.
If you don't get any satisfaction from this course of action then you need to take out a grievance against the trouble maker, in fact a few of you should do it. There are a few good websites that can give you a few ideas on how to approach this sort of thing, also your terms and conditions handbook, which should have been given to you within 2 months of commencing employment, ought to give clear advice on how to raise a grievance, read it and speak to a trusted colleague or two about it and draw up a plan of what to do....
Making rash decisions like walking out and claiming constructive dismassal is not the way forward, the new employment law states you must follow the '1-2-3 steps' before making such decisions, without following them any future compensation claim will be severly restricted...
Then go quietly about finding the next thing, so when you do quit it's with somewhere to go. Of course, things may sort themsleves out in the meantime, in which case happy days.
Good luck.
I'm not the sort to just kick up a fuss and march out the door, so no worries there, but I can't help feeling they've been mugging me over for a while now.
The guy is a complete clown, always on the piss (yeah, I know - but there's a time and a place), our results are shocking and he blames everyone else but himself. He's so far out of his depth it's untrue. But I'm starting to think the problem is actually deeper than just him. It's too easy to point the finger at one man - I'm now looking beyond that to the "chiefs" who have stood by and let it happen.
Anyway, I took 3 days off "sick" earlier this week and am now on holiday for a week, so will see how it goes I guess.
Have texted the head honcho asking - politely - if there is "any news" though, so we shall see.
Thanks again folks - am deeply touched.
Wouldn't have happened if I'd taken the opportunity to have a pop two years ago and although many of the things that wound me up back then are still happening, I'm a different person for my experiences since and I'm far more able to put it all in context and not let it get to me.
Happened to me about 4 years ago, had only been at the place for just only 12 months and had a set to with the MD, over me going home sick. Only day that I had taken sick in that time, he even put a job advert for my job whilst I was still there, took a phone calll from an agency re the position of factory manager. I went into one and he made up loads of stuff about me not doing things, he couldn't back it up. I stuck it out for 10 months until I found the job I'm in now. Couldn't walk out as I have a house and a family. It gave me great pleasure in handing my notice in, told him that I should have walked out when it all happened and never felt the same about the company from that day on. Didn't burn my bridges and still see some of the guys.
That's a really good post. BA
Here I am dishing out sound logical industrial dispute advice based upon the experiences I've encountered in my working lifetime when the other day the area manager, who just so happens to be a right cow's c*nt, pissed me off that much that I emailed my resignation to her...
In the first email back she accepted my resignation and a short while later she emailed me another saying 'and for your information I haven't got a fat arse....'
I sent one back saying she did....
What's that old saying about 'practising what you preach'....?
Good luck...