They should be allowed their day. We are a democracy after all and they will just look stupid when a dozen of their finest walk up a silent street they will realise their mistake. Let them do it, it will show our tolerance compared to their intolerance. The contrast would be striking. If Muslims want to support them by the thousand, let them, it will flush out their true feelings. Don't go and start a ruck, let them do it and they will have two outcomes:
1 many Muslims will join their brothers and the rest of the population will be able to make their minds up about their commitment to a democracy and treat them accordingly in the future, or
2 the hot heads will be alone with hundreds of police and be shown to have no real voice within their community and be shunned and fade away.
Their choice, let them do it, if they want a ruck, they can have it with OB, but we need to force the hand of the Muslim majority who are never heard.
If they bring thousands then we know what we are dealing with and can work on dealing with that.
Dare them to do it!
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We, along with all other Muslim community groups in Wiltshire and the surrounding area, including Bath Islamic Society and Swindon Thamesdown Islamic Association, unreservedly condemn this march and call on the organisers, Islam4UK to not go ahead with it in the interests of public safety and the Muslims they claim to represent as well as to respect the rights of the people of Wootton Bassett and Wiltshire.
We will hold Anjem Choudary and Al-Muhajiroon responsible for any backlash against any Muslim in Wiltshire or elsewhere as a result of their proposed irresponsible and irrational actions and any insecurity brought upon the majority peaceful Muslim population.
The media will no doubt grossly over-react, as usual to such a protest, whether it is peaceful or otherwise, giving the impression that all Muslims follow this tiny minority of extremists.
Therefore we are putting the record straight and letting the media and general public know that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with this group who are upon the methodology of the deviant sect known as the Khawaarij. The Khawaarij were historically the first sect to bring insecurity upon the Muslims, right after the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) and even killed some of the close companions of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him).
We strongly request Wiltshire Police to ban the proposed march in the interests of public order, public safety and community cohesion.
We have also received the full support of the Call to Islam Centre, Bury Park, Luton who have stated that they would be willing to come to Wootton Bassett with a large gathering to peacefully counter demonstrate against Islam4UK/Al-Muhajiroon, should the march be permitted to go ahead. The Centre in Luton successfully ran the extremists off the streets last year after a similar march in Luton, which led to right wing extremists firebombing the Centre.
When you say they are never heard - you are aware as Rothko has pointed out - that many Islamic people object to extremists hijacking their religion. However your perspective has become grist to the mill for the Daily Mail types who believe that muslims are extremists so I can see you make the error.
A bit like Millwall fans being representative of all football fans.
I can kind of see their point. It's a protest against the war, not a religious protest. It is just being arranged by Muslims. Do I have this right? If so, then I am supportive of the idea in theory at least.
BFR I expected nothing less from you, what is your daily mail obsession and can you run a thread each day to keep us informed on what your paper says each day as I haven't a clue what you are on about. Why bring millwall into it as well?
No, I am getting it. Thats my opinion, they disgust me.
I dont believe they should be able voice their twisted version of islam anywhere.
Religion, the sooner we ban that the better.(IMO)
i am totally bemused how this man can be allowed to reside on this planet let alone this country
why chose wooton basset why not chose bethnal green and march along side georgie boy.
all sensible muslims are outraged at this fools behaviour,
Ironic that you are demanding that some people should be allowed to go on this march to further democracy but don't like anyone dissenting from your opinion.
Unfortunately you are parroting the Daily Mail line that one muslim is like every other muslim, as I suggest, go back and read Rothko's post again and you'll see that many Islamic people oppose the march and Islamic extremists. However from your post you'd think that this is a process yet to happen...leading me to think that you are getting your opinions from a narrow view and yours is sadly the same as espoused by the likes of the Daily Mail. Maybe I'm making an assumption here, but the same assumption that you are making about the uniformity of Islamic thought...
Still it's a free country and if we allow extremists like you to rant away then everyone can see the illogicality in your thinking.
You really wouldn't like to know, and it would make most wishful thinkers simply put their head in the sand. I was shocked out of my multicultural leftist complacency by a very rude awakening following an incident where I had to interview a new Muslim immigrant who told me about how shocked she was by the attitudes of those in her community compared to the Turkish community she had previously lived in in Germany. She had been victimised for the mortal sin of having a white mother (who had, of course, converted to Islam prior to marrying her father - not that it made any differences to her father's family, who disowned their son anyway). The names they called her were unbelievable. But apparently, this was nothing compared to the contempt in which they held their indigenous neighbours. One phrase stuck in my mind 'why do they hate you (the British) so much?' she asked me. I did not know what to say and in that moment, my belief in the great multicultural experiment that is urban Britain started to die. It is now six feet underground.
This has been confirmed by subsequent experiences (too numerous to mention). Of course, not every Muslim is like this (I know some lovely people who happen to be Muslims). But unfortunately, it seems that the majority appear to be. It's in the Koran and non-negotiable as far as I can make out. The only hope is that the younger generations will reject the religion and the inbuilt facism and misogyny (for there is no other way to describe it) which it entails. Thankfully, some of them appear to be doing just that, but they are under considerable pressure from their community to conform. This sometimes becomes intimidation, but then that is another bunch of experiences that I would have to relate and it's just too depressing, so I have to stop now.
As for the march... well we are a democracy. As much as it sickens me, we must let them march. In peace.
i would love them to march to packed and silent streets, and as the head of the march passes, people pointedly and silently turn their backs on the marchers. Visually it would be effective, and as a symbolic act, the fact that we tolerate freedom of protest, but can deal with it with dignity, would resonate widely. The picture of silent rejection would endure for years too....remember tank man for example?
Let them parade and shout, and receive them with studied silence and indifference.
Man the life boats - she's going down!!!
You might equally call into question the catholic church's refusal to expel padeophile priests, or their stance that contraception is wrong, despite aids being rife - to them the wearing of a condom is a mortal crime. Then there are xtians who firebomb abortion clinics and shoot abortionists. We also have in Bush and Blair, two of the ringleaders of the Iraq invasion, the notion that it was acceptable to lie about the reasons for the invasion and in the process kill a million or so Iraqi's. Both claim to be christian and presumably to take their inspiration from the bible.
The fault isn't in islam or xtianity per se, but in putting too much faith in invsible friends in the sky.
Let them show what they are and whether they have support in their community or not!
WB is the last place they should do this but if they want to, let them, who will look bad from this? They throw out immflamatory statements with no regard for what might happen as they know they won't be allowed to follow them through, let them. Don't turn up to fight them, let them look sad, the fighting will not be required.
If they want to fight we could fly them to Afghanistan if they really want it, plenty of our boys waiting for them to show their themselves.
As to the issue at hand I just wonder how many of those suggesting this guy be allowed to march through Wootton Bassett would also allow a BNP march through areas like Brick Lane or Luton?
But you didn't say that in your original post did you - perhaps you should go back and read it?
Unfortunately the real winners from this march won't be peace and understanding - you've already demonstrated that you do not appreciate the schism in Islam that extremists cause.
Similarly I'd be a lot more comforted when rightwing trolls take time out to question the why's and wherefore's of our little jaunt into Mesopotamia and the damage that's done and perhaps extend some thought into why some sections of the islamic community might not see 100% eye-to-eye with British neo-colonialism. Or perhaps why we as a nation persist in excusing every act of Israeli land theft on the West Bank.
Only in the vicinity of the Houses of Parliament. Everywhere else you need only complete a few forms and agree to behave.
We even let that Countryside Alliance rabble march in London.
if there is a
schism in Islam what the f**k has it got to do with the UK and its people ? if they want to kick off about it f**k off to the empty part of Saudi and do a last man stands. (couldnt be a last woman as they are all locked up wearing burkas and not allowed to have a job/education etc).