Unscrupulous companies who are penalizing staff due to the poor weather conditions by not paying them or asking them to use holidays. I believe that the the imformation maybe correct but would like it confirmed.
We have been told by a solicitor specialising in Employment law that :
An Employer may ask you to take leave at their request (because of the weather) but the term of notice is the same as length of leave they require you to take.
So dictacting when you may or may not get to work due the snow would be pretty much impossible, is that correct?
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I have no idea whether it is correct, but I'd like to think so. What I don't get is, if you were told this by, "a solicitor specialising in Employment law", why are you asking us?
I wasn't in the room when it said or on the other end of the phone nor do I have confirmation in writing, the question was asked by on our behalf to the brief. So I have changed the catagory I started the thread in ; )
I failed to get in on Thursday , no trains and swapped with going in yesterday, my day off.
Often it depends on your line manager/boss and do they think you are using this as an excuse.
As I work for a large company, they are generally more relaxed about this sort of thing, and hopefully a person will try and get in, in my experience.
Lazy work shy people tend to get found out these days!, it is pretty common where I work that people work through there lunch hour and stay late when required.
Hopefully the attitude is remembered when you need some time off , to attend school meetings etc. go to the dentist.
A shit employeer is a shit employeer!. I have known a couple, only briefly like clients they soon become ex, my loss no doubt,..... but then theres as well........
While in one breath they are saying "Do not drive if its at all unsafe" in the next they are saying "If you dont you will use your holidays"
If you're contract is silent on the matter (e.g. it's not mentioned) then the lawyer is probably right in saying that's how the court would work it out. But, in reality, you'd have to take an action against your employer which isn't easy/quick or cheap. If people are union members I'd suggest talking to them as they'll have lawyers with knowledge of particular contracts and accepted practice in the company/industry. If not, it'd be tough to stop the employer doing what they wanted even with the terms on your side.
How you define that one good luck. Also if you offer to come in at the weekend, take work home, or make up the time within a resonable period, say 6 weeks, I feel most courts would support your actions. If you just looked out the window and thought ' oh I cannot get to the station' there may not be any trains then you would probably would have a difficult time .
As I originally posted, if the employeer does not pay this money for a person living a fair distance away, and comes in by public transport, that is severely disrupted, or not running they deserve to be facing a legal challenge and the negative publicity that will be attracted and the ridicule it will attract. I think most people have one eye on the dole queue these day's , or are plain stupid, or have an immense talent!. I produce a product each week, so in essence it is pretty easy to see wether I have been working, otherwise the newspaper does not appear!. I would like to think that the night's I have stayed late, the work I have taken home etc compensates for the occassional late arrival, mainly due to public transport. But I appreciate that some employeers are not like that.
I have always had a high opinion of my own worth, and feel that I work far in excess of the hours in my contract, and quality is better than most , but then that is my ego!.
(I think I am one of the few people who resigned because my pay rise was not big enough, after a pay review with the MD.)
people feeling hard done by.
You still sending the little'uns up chimmy's then Steve? ; )
But you just have to get on with it,tell me Ray when you had your kids did you enjoy your paid paternity leave?
It all seems that long ago now I dont remember being at the conception, let the after the birth and the first few weeks of their life ; )
Foresight is a wonderful thing, but ask me now if I would have like to have been and I would answer, Yes!
I dont think its all a one way street, a lot of company's out there use the big stick.
We have asked our company several times to put one of their little rules into our contracts, we wont sign them but we want them to add it. They wont, why wont they add it because its against one of the laws of employment.
If it was legal they could give us 3 months notice then add it to our contracts if we then refuse to sign we would be asked to leave.
I don't think the legislation on this is particularly clear - and I expect there to be some test cases in the next few months from the bigger employers (supermarkets would be the logical choice because they're the usual vanguard for eroding employee rights) who will try and get the public on their side by trotting out media examples of some silly old sod who trekked fifteen miles through three feet of snow o'er hill and dale to get to work, compared with someone who only lives a couple of miles away but couldn't get a train in.
Present employer has a much better approach to time keeping and is a little more understanding when it comes peoples travelling problems.
i listened to a lady explain why she didnt come in for 2 days last week she lives in Eltham, i live in Kidbrooke, she is a saleried employee. I got in only 40 mins late on the days she couldnt get in. We as tax payers are paying her wages. I said nothing and just sat there thinking waster.People take the piss when they can, not all of course but a good few.
Part of makin the effort for me was the fact that a train company (south USELESS Eastern) couldnt run a sevice but i was going to let those numptys stop me from geting in.Some used just that to have a lay in bed.
just been made redundant
Do you have access to a Trade Union that might help you?
hence I need legal advice
@Elthamaddick PM me.
Hope you come out of it ok
Bob knows what he is talking about so worth contacting him.
Second that helped me on a problem , Bob is a top man