Ajax v Feyenoord.
Basically because it was felt there would be too much trouble at this game, for this season it has been decided to have it over 2 legs at each teams home ground with no away fans.
Can't see that ever happening here, unless perhaps Millwall got West Ham.
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The English disease they used to call it...
That's now chlamydia
Holland for example has gone similarly big on CCTV, banning orders, very high sentences, travel bans and lock-downs but it's still crazy for big derbies/when two clubs with large hooligan groups play each other.
Living in Spain for last year was an eye-opener for me. Very little gets across to the UK about Spanish fans and all that does is normally a trickle about the Ultras Sur at Madrid but Ultra culture is massive over there.
Yep they are. Problem over here is that we don't have a football law as in the UK, which means the Dutch FA issues banning orders, but then there is no law to actually enforce it. Another thing is that we don't have a neutral ground like Wembley, it is always at a club ground. And no other city wants to host a Ajax v Feyenoord match.
My experience in Germany is completely different however, I'v been to Schalke v Dortmund which is a massive derby, but groups of supporters are mixed up before and after the match without any problems. Belgium is bad, mainly because they still have a lot of old grounds.
Been to Feyenoord v Ajax twice as well as going the De Kuip many times and this is by far the worst Feyenoord have played!
Feyenoord v Ajax is not for the faint hearted (Never seen so many water cannon and robo cops at a football match before!)
I can second what Dutch said - my barman is an ADO fan, and although he is not one of the nutters, he fully accepts that most of them are...
Feyenoord and Ajax can pull over a 1000 and thats the difference when the big 2 play each other even though its very rare they come in contact with each other on match days1
Not unless they meet on the side of a motorway and have it in a field resulting in a death!!!
Another point not given out,when away fans travel in Holland you must be amember of your travel club,this gives you aright to travel by bus-combi ie pick-up at your home ground only and dropped off in away section of away ground.
You have noright of freedom what so every.
And we are always told The english have aproblem.God help us.
Turkey want Euro 2016, yes that's right the country that is 97% an Asian landmass and the home of some of the worst hooligans in Europe who don't think twice about weapons
The suits aren't bothered by "trivial" concerns
He's always seemed mad enough to me ;-)
I agree that the FIFA can't be happy with all this, but on the other hand not every wold cup match is a Ajax v Feyenoord. Anyway, I don't want to host the world cup here because that will cost way too much money. England can have it.
Mind you, the bus-combi thing is only for certain risk matches, not for every away match. It's just a way of regulating away fans and limit the risk of trouble. In most cases not necessary, but Ajax v Feyenoord is literally the exception on the rule.
Oh he's a nutter alright D, just not one of those nutters...
Went to a Den Haag match several years ago against Heracles. Sat amongst the ADO hooligan element when a group of "normal fans" I had met on the train ride in took me into the home area (the stadium had a moat around it, separating the pitch and the stands).
Den Haag won to go top of the second division table at the midpoint of the season. On the tram back to the train station, the ADO supporters were singing "We are the champions" then started to smash all of the windows from inside the tram. It wasn't long before police were driving on both sides of the track.
We stopped at a station and the police came on board wearing shields and brandishing night sticks. They pointed at me, and about 4-5 others, and told us to get off and take the next tram. We did.
The doors closed and off that tram went. It must have been quite an end to that journey.
An open and entertaining match, too.
The Asian landmass is irrelevant. Just like Israel or Russia, they're in UEFA and are as entitled to host the competition as Switzerland or England.
The hooligans is a major issue, though, so I'd prefer France to get it.
Holland and Belgium hosted Euro 2000. Was there much trouble at that? I don't remember
The problem with that comparison is this... Istanbul is currently the only Turkish city with top division representation in "European" Turkey and even that is only half of it... only Besiktas and Galatasaray play on the European side (plus there is the white elephant Ataturk stadium)... that's three grounds. Therefore for the rest of the tournament, you'll be traipsing around an Asian country, to contest a European Championship.
On the other hand, Russia also has a significant Asian landmass yes, but it's "European" zone includes both Moscow and St Petersburg - that's five stadiums alone and if you purpose built another one in the Euro zone, say in Volgograd ... you could at a push conceivably have a "European" competition hosted by Russia. It's by no means ideal but if Turkey is in for a shout then we can't be far away from that sort of arrangement.
Israel is irrelevant as it will never have the footballing pedigree or facilities to host a European Championship.
Hopefully the bid will be thrown out because of other factors, but geography is irrelevant.
I'm not, and can only praise those who travel to places like Kazakhstan for the team, but for the European Championships, the exact location of the country isn't all that important. There are all sorts of infrastructure problems that would be a bigger issue than what landmass the country is on. If Turkey with its infrastructure and size was where Sweden is or where France is, I'd still say that it shouldn't host a major tournament. The way you're talking it wouldn't be as big an issue.
That said, Ukraine are going to be hosting it next time. Is that really going to be much easier to get to and around? Poland should be fine, but Ukraine?