Despite being part of the team that got us in the shit, Parkinson was given the job of keeping us in the Championship. He failed.
Parkinson was given the job of getting us back in the championship. He failed.
Lets be honest, Parkinson was always a manager by default. If we had had the money to pay him off, he would have been sacked by now. Either when pardew went or at the end of the season when we were religated.
There is little point in argueing if anyone could have done any better because we will never know.
The fact is that he has failed twice. He seems like a nice bloke but I don't think that he is really all that good as a manager. On the whole, his team selections have been negative and he lacks the imagination or tactical nous to change a game, hoping for things to happen rather than doing something to make it happen.
For those reasons, I have little confidence that it will be third time lucky next season.
I can't for the life of me understand half the negative comments about Parky. What other club, Well poss spurs, would slag off their manager in a season where everyone expexted us to be relegated. We came within 2 points of auto promotion, and only missed out of the play off final on one missed penalty ( you can't blame parky for baileys miss he did'nt sign him).
How many times did we hit the woodwork this season. If a couple of them had been 2 inches closer things would have been different. The manager does not play on the pitch.
Just what manager in their right mind would want the valley job, cant buy anyone, No funds available, If you just miss out on promtion you will be slagged off
I bet most of the people having a go wanted Curbs out in 1997
[cite]Posted By: DPFC[/cite]I can't for the life of me understand half the negative comments about Parky. What other club, Well poss spurs, would slag off their manager in a season where everyone expexted us to be relegated. We came within 2 points of auto promotion, and only missed out of the play off final on one missed penalty ( you can't blame parky for baileys miss he did'nt sign him).
How many times did we hit the woodwork this season. If a couple of them had been 2 inches closer things would have been different. The manager does not play on the pitch.
Just what manager in their right mind would want the valley job, cant buy anyone, No funds available, If you just miss out on promtion you will be slagged off
I bet most of the people having a go wanted Curbs out in 1997
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Agree with all that - except the bit about us being relegation fodder - we were never that!
I really hope we stick with him. It's just going to get tougher from here. We need to go back to the essence of Charlton - and for me, Parky represents a lot of those characteristics. For the first time in years I feel we have a bunch of genuine, committed and passionate players, with no prima donnas. That's down to Parky bringing in players with the right attitude and building the team spirit. We're going to need to rely on that spirit to survive now, even if the playing staff changes drastically. Parky has shown his ability to pick up the right type of frees and loans this season, and we'll be scrapping for crumbs like that from now on.
When the charlton fans were booing him I kept quiet about it. I disagreed with some of the decisions he made, but on the whole a decent manager and been fairly happy with him.
took us to League 1, kept us there for at least two seasons. When was the last time we spent two seasons at this level ? Worst ever Charlton manager ? Certainly not super.
[quote][cite]Posted By: DPFC[/cite]I can't for the life of me understand half the negative comments about Parky. What other club, Well poss spurs, would slag off their manager in a season where everyone expexted us to be relegated. We came within 2 points of auto promotion, and only missed out of the play off final on one missed penalty ( you can't blame parky for baileys miss he did'nt sign him).
How many times did we hit the woodwork this season. If a couple of them had been 2 inches closer things would have been different. The manager does not play on the pitch.
Just what manager in their right mind would want the valley job, cant buy anyone, No funds available, If you just miss out on promtion you will be slagged off
I bet most of the people having a go wanted Curbs out in 1997
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Don't know anyone who thought we were relegation favourites this year? Plus if we're bringing luck into it then don't forget to point out the many games where we were lucky the opposition were so bad, Stockport and Wycombe spring to mind for starters. Overall we've had more luck go our way this season than against us.
My critisism of Parky is that the team and individual players have been so inconsistant and ultimately that's the managers job, to regularly get the best out of what he's got. I don't think he's done that. Maybe our players just aren't as good as thought, but then we've seen what they can do so it's difficult to accept this. Nothing against the bloke, he's done his best in difficult times, but that doesn't mean i have to think he's good enough. Especially in a mostly poor league where we've been mostly unconvincing. I never booed him this season, i like the bloke, and other than saying i don't think he's good enough i've never really slagged him off. He's gonna be our manager next season and i'll just have to accept that and see how he deals with a team consisting of old people, players who weren't good enough to get a game this year and youths. Maybe he'll be better with that than a supposed stronger team. Should be interesting.
I fully support Parky. You cant turn around a moribumnd squad with no money overnight. I think he's got this team finally playing for the shirt in the charlton spirit. Granted it's taken longer than I'd have liked, but he's had to make do and mend, and not made a bad job of it at all. If the fighting spirit had been there all season then I think we'd have gone up automatically - there was just too much squad surgery needed at the beginning which delayed the moulding of a proper unit. Sadly, i think we'll see a repeat of those circumstances due to summer departures, but I fully support Parky in his endeavours. He's behaved in exemplary fashion through a really tough time and deserves much credit for that too.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]I expected more of him and the team this season but never got it. I dont dislike the man i just feel he gets it wrong more times than he should. Last night for instance we were great in the first half but as soon as we came out for the second half we sat 15 yards deeper. Now that enabled swindon to get a foothold in a game they were out of, was that Parkys halftime tactics? To shut up shop sit deep and defend. I feel it was but what we should have been doing was attacking for the 3rd goal. It created gaps all over the place our midfield was to far from our forwards so couldn't get there to support them. Its only ok playing that way whe you have a really quick forward and a couple of really quick midfielders so you can counter attack, sadly we dont have that.
to be fair to Parky he was screaming at Bailey and the back four to stop dropping so deep
I'm no apologist and I think he should have won promotion with the squad at his disposal but there are times when the players have to take responsibility for what happens on the pitch
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]I really hope we stick with him. It's just going to get tougher from here. We need to go back to the essence of Charlton - and for me, Parky represents a lot of those characteristics. For the first time in years I feel we have a bunch of genuine, committed and passionate players, with no prima donnas. That's down to Parky bringing in players with the right attitude and building the team spirit. We're going to need to rely on that spirit to survive now, even if the playing staff changes drastically. Parky has shown his ability to pick up the right type of frees and loans this season, and we'll be scrapping for crumbs like that from now on.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]I really hope we stick with him. It's just going to get tougher from here. We need to go back to the essence of Charlton - and for me, Parky represents a lot of those characteristics. For the first time in years I feel we have a bunch of genuine, committed and passionate players, with no prima donnas. That's down to Parky bringing in players with the right attitude and building the team spirit. We're going to need to rely on that spirit to survive now, even if the playing staff changes drastically. Parky has shown his ability to pick up the right type of frees and loans this season, and we'll be scrapping for crumbs like that from now on.
I blame Parky for Swindon's goal last night. If only he'd looked up and played the obvious ball to Reid in yards of space, instead of careering into trouble then we wouldn't have conceded.
I blame Parky for blazing his penalty high and wide, when a deep breath and a little composure would have given him a decent chance of scoring.
I blame Parky for Swindon scoring all 5 of their penalties last night.
Totally his fault that the Swindon players kept their nerve.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]I really hope we stick with him. It's just going to get tougher from here. We need to go back to the essence of Charlton - and for me, Parky represents a lot of those characteristics. For the first time in years I feel we have a bunch of genuine, committed and passionate players, with no prima donnas. That's down to Parky bringing in players with the right attitude and building the team spirit. We're going to need to rely on that spirit to survive now, even if the playing staff changes drastically. Parky has shown his ability to pick up the right type of frees and loans this season, and we'll be scrapping for crumbs like that from now on.
Well said, Weegie.
For most Charlton fans, Curbishley was god at The Valley - well at least until we stumbled on Prem "midtable mediocrity",
and "failed to reach the next level." Absolutely agree with them, Curbs should have made Charlton bigger than Chelsea.
But for all his, erm ......."failings", Curbs had a certain way of doing things - and choosing a certain character of player.
After enduring the Dowie and Pardew periods, IMO Phil Parkinson has shown that he has many of the same values and virtues of Curbishley.
Agree, Weegie and Oggy. I think the fact that he has "grown into the job the Charlton way" is key to my view on this. I really like him as a representative of this club, and if I'm wrong in weighting that so heavily, so be it.
took us to League 1, kept us there for at least two seasons. When was the last time we spent two seasons at this level ? Worst ever Charlton manager ? Certainly not super.
Parky booed by some at the Valley who should forever hang their heads in shame. Always was a good manager, nothing new here. This result might well bring him to the attention of a much bigger club. Man deserves a chance.
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Despite being part of the team that got us in the shit, Parkinson was given the job of keeping us in the Championship. He failed.
Parkinson was given the job of getting us back in the championship. He failed.
Lets be honest, Parkinson was always a manager by default. If we had had the money to pay him off, he would have been sacked by now. Either when pardew went or at the end of the season when we were religated.
There is little point in argueing if anyone could have done any better because we will never know.
The fact is that he has failed twice. He seems like a nice bloke but I don't think that he is really all that good as a manager. On the whole, his team selections have been negative and he lacks the imagination or tactical nous to change a game, hoping for things to happen rather than doing something to make it happen.
For those reasons, I have little confidence that it will be third time lucky next season.
How many times did we hit the woodwork this season. If a couple of them had been 2 inches closer things would have been different. The manager does not play on the pitch.
Just what manager in their right mind would want the valley job, cant buy anyone, No funds available, If you just miss out on promtion you will be slagged off
I bet most of the people having a go wanted Curbs out in 1997
End of rant
et Moi?
How many times did we hit the woodwork this season. If a couple of them had been 2 inches closer things would have been different. The manager does not play on the pitch.
Just what manager in their right mind would want the valley job, cant buy anyone, No funds available, If you just miss out on promtion you will be slagged off
I bet most of the people having a go wanted Curbs out in 1997
End of rant[/quote]
Don't know anyone who thought we were relegation favourites this year?
Plus if we're bringing luck into it then don't forget to point out the many games where we were lucky the opposition were so bad, Stockport and Wycombe spring to mind for starters. Overall we've had more luck go our way this season than against us.
My critisism of Parky is that the team and individual players have been so inconsistant and ultimately that's the managers job, to regularly get the best out of what he's got. I don't think he's done that. Maybe our players just aren't as good as thought, but then we've seen what they can do so it's difficult to accept this.
Nothing against the bloke, he's done his best in difficult times, but that doesn't mean i have to think he's good enough. Especially in a mostly poor league where we've been mostly unconvincing.
I never booed him this season, i like the bloke, and other than saying i don't think he's good enough i've never really slagged him off. He's gonna be our manager next season and i'll just have to accept that and see how he deals with a team consisting of old people, players who weren't good enough to get a game this year and youths. Maybe he'll be better with that than a supposed stronger team. Should be interesting.
to be fair to Parky he was screaming at Bailey and the back four to stop dropping so deep
I'm no apologist and I think he should have won promotion with the squad at his disposal but there are times when the players have to take responsibility for what happens on the pitch
could not agree more!
I blame Parky for blazing his penalty high and wide, when a deep breath and a little composure would have given him a decent chance of scoring.
I blame Parky for Swindon scoring all 5 of their penalties last night.
Totally his fault that the Swindon players kept their nerve.
Well said, Weegie.
For most Charlton fans, Curbishley was god at The Valley - well at least until we stumbled on Prem "midtable mediocrity",
and "failed to reach the next level." Absolutely agree with them, Curbs should have made Charlton bigger than Chelsea.
But for all his, erm ......."failings", Curbs had a certain way of doing things - and choosing a certain character of player.
After enduring the Dowie and Pardew periods, IMO Phil Parkinson has shown that he has many of the same values and virtues of Curbishley.
Parky is growing into the job the Charlton way.
Glad he's been given time to build the club over a few seasons.
Bradford reaping the rewards of that patience.
Seriously though i like Parky a lot, amazing result for Bradford today.
And if you want any evidence of that please look no further than Northwich Victoria 1 Charlton 0 in the Cup and of course on TV too.
Also the squad Pardew left him was piss poor in both player quality and player attitude. Even the best managers would have struggled.
Good luck to him.