It could end up in my backyard greenwich within the dome/dustbin lid area and could be host to a super-casino,not bothered but will it be good or bad. what does the forum think about online gambling detail.
I work in a rehab centre for compulsive gamblers and can assure you that it is no laughing matter.It is a hidden addiction but the effects on the lives of addicts and their families can be devastating.In fact for those of you dossing around at home today you can see my boss talking about it on This Morning in an hour or so!!
I don't see anything wrong with having a bet on a race here & a 1st goalscorer there, however all addictions like alcohol, gambling, drugs etc people just do not know when to stop. With gambling in particular you can run up a huge debt in next to no time.
It's good as Henry points out, yes gambling is a problem addiction, but you can't run everything thinking it might cause x to a small percentage of the population
and people staying at the O2 will want to come to a game on a Saturday, AEG will bus them down, and we'll sell em a corporate day out, is what I think Henry is saying.
[cite]Posted By: pete_tong1[/cite]'Fair enough with the first 3 but how will there be a possible knock on for CAFC? '
hopefully AEG can buy us as they have the funds to keep us going in the prem
That wasn't what I meant although it does sound interesting.
The knock-on might be more in terms of offering conference and banqueting, as we already do, but with a night out at the casino to follow. Also if tourist are coming to Greenwich for the casino then Charlton might be another stop for them. May also be sponsorship opportunities.
Morally, not sure. Drinking is an addiction yet there are no clamours to curb licensing or sales of alcohol. So to trying to ban or prevent casinos has a tinge of double standards about it.
On a purely mercanary side, it's a possible future sponsor of the club?
[cite]Posted By: 9goalswentpastperry[/cite]I work in a rehab centre for compulsive gamblers and can assure you that it is no laughing matter.It is a hidden addiction but the effects on the lives of addicts and their families can be devastating.In fact for those of you dossing around at home today you can see my boss talking about it on This Morning in an hour or so!!
totally agree but a casino only opens another way for people to gamble and one where they are likely to get more scrutiny than on-line or at the bookies. Like most things it is ok in moderation but bad when done to excess or without regard to the consequences.
The people with addictive gambling have issues that caused them to be that way as I'm sure you know better than I around self-esteem, risk management and disregard for others. Be interested to hear what you think the main reasons are that people turn to excessive gambling. Am I totally wrong on this?
i have bought tickets for Justin Timberlake for their next july. Okay okay - im not actually a fan of his (tho he is v sexy) but i just wanted to go to a concert that i could walk home from and my sis in law is a huge fan so i agreed.
Im really looking forward to the benefits of all the other stuff that is going to happen there. Casino not arsed about but the bars/restaurants and concert venues are going to be brill.
Fair enough with the first 3 but how will there be a possible knock on for CAFC?
Higher profile for the area and club, cross marketing etc.
Am I right in thinking that this casino will be run by AEG? AKA Anschutz Entertainment Group. If it's the same AEG the owner - Phil Anschutz essentially owns MLS in America - having a stake in many of the clubs including LA Galaxy where Becks is off to play - his game plan is to sell off the clubs/franchises as and when groups or individuals come in for them.
Given his love of football I can't believe that he wouldn't be interested in some kind of involvement with Charlton. After all the profile of gamblers and sports fans is similar - mostly male etc and the links between gambling and sport are well known, both legally and illegally.
It's hard to say what makes someone a compulsive gambler.Certainly low self esteem is a big factor;people can lose themselves so easily in a betting shop/casino/arcade. It's escapism and it's an adrenalin rush like no other in my opinion. Just because there are no substances involved be it drug/alcohol then it isn't perceived to be as big a problem. But believe me with the relaxation of gambling laws and scrapping the 24 hour membership rule in casinos for example there will be an explosion in the number of addicted gamblers. I agree that it's about freedom of choice,people can spend their money how they like but with such readily available credit these days it is so easy for people to rack up huge debt very quickly. Making gambling so accessible will increase the number of problem gamblers. The government think it's easy money for them, they're clearly thinking that there's a pretty penny to be made from the industry, especially as their tobacco revenues continue to decrease. Having spent time in Oz and seen how relaxed and in your face their gambling is it's a frightening thought that we may soon be seeing the same here. I can't believe that being able to bet on horse racing in the pub is a good idea like they can over there or have rooms in pubs bigger than most of our boozers filled with fruit machines.I'm certainly not anti gambling,it's a leisure activity and it's legal and the vast majority of people bet within their means,but we need to be careful. For those of you who frequent bookies have a look at those roulette machines that they have.People feed note after note into them, and you can guarantee most can't afford it.If the betting shops had their way,they'd scrap horse racing and fill their shops with those machines as it's such easy money. Most kids who start on fruit machines gravitate to the roulette machines so instead of a few quid in a fruitie to win £25, it's £20 note after £20 n0tetrying to win a grand. Hope i haven't bored you all too much,i speak from personal experience having been a compulsive gambler myself whilst working in a bookies would you believe! And now working to help others to beat this addiction. I mean, i knew i was addicted when part of my matchday experience was to put 50 quid on Jason Euell for first goal scorer every week! Must dash, my boss is on This Morning now. Cheers, Perry.
the only worrying thing for me is that a 'super casino' won't attract the serious top level gamblers, it will attract your average joe punters, another type of lads night out. I really would not be suprised to see a big upshot in 3-4 years of it opening of addicted gamblers in the South East of a young age or with young families.
I think it should happen, it will have a lot of benefits to the area and Charlton, but i also think it will suck in some of the wrong demographic.
9goals would know more, but i would of thought the adrenilin fom playing live in a casino is more likely to lead to a long-term addiction, or lead onto committed internet playing, than the other way round. I may be hopelessly wrong though.
casinos are brilliant when i went to Vegas it was a nightmare on the money front but that was probably more of a case of the place.
Still, i spent £1000 in 4 days (my budget was £400) a couple of £200 ish wins didnt help my cause but when you see flashing lights saying you can win millions and are getting given free drinks while you're playing you just keep going.
I even woke up at 4 in the morning and went downstairs in my hotel to have a little flutter.
[cite]Posted By: KillersBeard[/cite]Morally, not sure. Drinking is an addiction yet there are no clamours to curb licensing or sales of alcohol. So to trying to ban or prevent casinos has a tinge of double standards about it.
On a purely mercanary side, it's a possible future sponsor of the club?
You can't put the genie back in the bottle once it is out. Alcohol, like tobacco, would probably never have been legalised if they had known then what they know now about their addictive qualities.
Gambling is similarly addictive. In my view it is wrong to create yet another strand to this addiction when we know that the pursuit can be addictive and harmful especially in an economically deprived area.
Turn the area into playing fields for the fat kids!
You're spot on Len about tobacco and alcohol. Think of magazines;where once you saw a Silk Cut ad you now see some on line gambling site with a dolly bird smiling at you luring you in!Every show seems to be sponsored by a gambling site,the snooker that's on currently all the players have a gambling site advertised on their waist coats. A fair few Prem clubs are sponsored by gambling sites too. It's a boom industry and we need to tread carefully that's all.
Having said all that, a couple of months back someone told me we were evens to be relegated.Think it was the early days under Les. If ever i was going to have another bet that was going to be it.Whoever offered those odds knows nothing! I'd imagine we're 1/16 or so to go down now.
On the whole, I think it's a bad idea. Not necessarily because of the whole gambling thing, although I'm not particularly comfortable about that, either. Strikes me it'd be a better fit in a resort town like Blackpool rather than next to the Blackwall Tunnel, though.
But because the whole thing's allowed AEG to effectively blackmail the government/ council - "give us our casino and we'll do all these good things in the area/ don't give us our casino and we'll do sod all". Which is a stupid position for anyone to get themselves into, let alone elected representatives. There's been very little consultation about it and the whole thing smacks of a done deal.
[cite]Posted By: KillersBeard[/cite]Morally, not sure. Drinking is an addiction yet there are no clamours to curb licensing or sales of alcohol. So to trying to ban or prevent casinos has a tinge of double standards about it.
On a purely mercanary side, it's a possible future sponsor of the club?
You can't put the genie back in the bottle once it is out. Alcohol, like tobacco, would probably never have been legalised if they had known then what they know now about their addictive qualities.
Gambling is similarly addictive. In my view it is wrong to create yet another strand to this addiction when we know that the pursuit can be addictive and harmful especially in an economically deprived area.
Turn the area into playing fields for the fat kids!
I may be being cynical here, but I think had they known then about the likely revenues they would create, almost certainly legalisation would have happened regardless.
Would it be any less wrong if the site was turned into a complex of pubs, off licenses and tobacconists? You can bet, (pardon the pun) that there would be no such indignation, despite adding another strand of access, yet the dangers of alcoholism and death by smoking are widely known and arguably more life threatening than gambling.
I'm in no way dismissing gambling as an addiction, I have very close connections with how an addictive problem can rip people apart, I just wish we set the same standards across the board.
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For the local economy, employment, profile of the area, possible knock-on for CAFC.
Addictive gamblers will be on-line or in the local bookies/dog track anyway.
I don't see what the problem is with them - the only thing I think is wrong if they allow people to spend on credit cards.
Fair enough with the first 3 but how will there be a possible knock on for CAFC?
hopefully AEG can buy us as they have the funds to keep us going in the prem
That wasn't what I meant although it does sound interesting.
The knock-on might be more in terms of offering conference and banqueting, as we already do, but with a night out at the casino to follow. Also if tourist are coming to Greenwich for the casino then Charlton might be another stop for them. May also be sponsorship opportunities.
On a purely mercanary side, it's a possible future sponsor of the club?
totally agree but a casino only opens another way for people to gamble and one where they are likely to get more scrutiny than on-line or at the bookies. Like most things it is ok in moderation but bad when done to excess or without regard to the consequences.
The people with addictive gambling have issues that caused them to be that way as I'm sure you know better than I around self-esteem, risk management and disregard for others. Be interested to hear what you think the main reasons are that people turn to excessive gambling. Am I totally wrong on this?
Im really looking forward to the benefits of all the other stuff that is going to happen there. Casino not arsed about but the bars/restaurants and concert venues are going to be brill.
Higher profile for the area and club, cross marketing etc.
Am I right in thinking that this casino will be run by AEG? AKA Anschutz Entertainment Group. If it's the same AEG the owner - Phil Anschutz essentially owns MLS in America - having a stake in many of the clubs including LA Galaxy where Becks is off to play - his game plan is to sell off the clubs/franchises as and when groups or individuals come in for them.
Given his love of football I can't believe that he wouldn't be interested in some kind of involvement with Charlton. After all the profile of gamblers and sports fans is similar - mostly male etc and the links between gambling and sport are well known, both legally and illegally.
I agree that it's about freedom of choice,people can spend their money how they like but with such readily available credit these days it is so easy for people to rack up huge debt very quickly. Making gambling so accessible will increase the number of problem gamblers. The government think it's easy money for them, they're clearly thinking that there's a pretty penny to be made from the industry, especially as their tobacco revenues continue to decrease.
Having spent time in Oz and seen how relaxed and in your face their gambling is it's a frightening thought that we may soon be seeing the same here. I can't believe that being able to bet on horse racing in the pub is a good idea like they can over there or have rooms in pubs bigger than most of our boozers filled with fruit machines.I'm certainly not anti gambling,it's a leisure activity and it's legal and the vast majority of people bet within their means,but we need to be careful. For those of you who frequent bookies have a look at those roulette machines that they have.People feed note after note into them, and you can guarantee most can't afford it.If the betting shops had their way,they'd scrap horse racing and fill their shops with those machines as it's such easy money. Most kids who start on fruit machines gravitate to the roulette machines so instead of a few quid in a fruitie to win £25, it's £20 note after £20 n0tetrying to win a grand.
Hope i haven't bored you all too much,i speak from personal experience having been a compulsive gambler myself whilst working in a bookies would you believe! And now working to help others to beat this addiction.
I mean, i knew i was addicted when part of my matchday experience was to put 50 quid on Jason Euell for first goal scorer every week!
Must dash, my boss is on This Morning now.
Cheers,
Perry.
I think it should happen, it will have a lot of benefits to the area and Charlton, but i also think it will suck in some of the wrong demographic.
9goals would know more, but i would of thought the adrenilin fom playing live in a casino is more likely to lead to a long-term addiction, or lead onto committed internet playing, than the other way round. I may be hopelessly wrong though.
Still, i spent £1000 in 4 days (my budget was £400) a couple of £200 ish wins didnt help my cause but when you see flashing lights saying you can win millions and are getting given free drinks while you're playing you just keep going.
I even woke up at 4 in the morning and went downstairs in my hotel to have a little flutter.
9goals...can i have your number please...
You can't put the genie back in the bottle once it is out. Alcohol, like tobacco, would probably never have been legalised if they had known then what they know now about their addictive qualities.
Gambling is similarly addictive. In my view it is wrong to create yet another strand to this addiction when we know that the pursuit can be addictive and harmful especially in an economically deprived area.
Turn the area into playing fields for the fat kids!
Having said all that, a couple of months back someone told me we were evens to be relegated.Think it was the early days under Les. If ever i was going to have another bet that was going to be it.Whoever offered those odds knows nothing! I'd imagine we're 1/16 or so to go down now.
But because the whole thing's allowed AEG to effectively blackmail the government/ council - "give us our casino and we'll do all these good things in the area/ don't give us our casino and we'll do sod all". Which is a stupid position for anyone to get themselves into, let alone elected representatives. There's been very little consultation about it and the whole thing smacks of a done deal.
I may be being cynical here, but I think had they known then about the likely revenues they would create, almost certainly legalisation would have happened regardless.
Would it be any less wrong if the site was turned into a complex of pubs, off licenses and tobacconists? You can bet, (pardon the pun) that there would be no such indignation, despite adding another strand of access, yet the dangers of alcoholism and death by smoking are widely known and arguably more life threatening than gambling.
I'm in no way dismissing gambling as an addiction, I have very close connections with how an addictive problem can rip people apart, I just wish we set the same standards across the board.
If the money was right...