Had my first Pay Review in over 20 months yesterday. Could not beleive what I was hearing, first of all I am a valued member of the team, we as a company (Only Five Employees) got our production up over 25% last year all great news I am sure you'll agree. Then I was informed 'I am increasing your pay by 4%' which does not sound too bad you'd think, however they are removing sorry changing how I get commission so basically means I'll be earning the same this year as I did last year, so in other words this means no pay rise in three years. Worst thing about it is in the meeting I sat there & took it & did not complain once.
I am now glad that I went to an Agency up town the other week to try to sort myself a new job back in the City, I feel like I have been kicked in the teeth.
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Meanwhile or instead when you have a firm offer for another job that you'd be happy to take go back to your boss (book a meeting don't do it ad hoc) and in a very non-confrontational way say "I wasn't looking for another job but the agency offered me this and as I was unhappy about the pay rise so I went for an interview and they are offering me more etc" If they want you they might give you a rise but have a figure in your head before you go into the meeting. Don't let them soft soap you.
Companies will f*ck you over at a drop of the hat, you have to look after no 1.
It can go two ways in a small office, and unfortunately you seem to be getting the down side...
This is probably stating the obvious but if you are planning on commuting from Kent any City job will have to pay you £3,000 to £4,000 more gross just for you to take home what you are taking home at the moment. You will also have all the hassle of our Third World rail system and or the roads being dug up with average speed cameras to increase journey times.
Are or were others on commission? If so it might be worth you all trying to put up a united front to keep the old commission arrangements.
T, this is exactly what my situaltion was, 6 years in one (massive) firm, turn up always, no sickies, stay loyal, and they still foook you over! So i left for a smaller company a year and a half ago and i am happy now! Better position, better money nearer home and no shifts! Appy days.
Ketters, look for another job, and foook them over by leaving.
to be fair tho carling, what else would us plebs think! I dont go to work for the love of it, i go to earn, and everything else goes up, so why not our wages! You cant of been the boss the whole time so you must be able to see it from employee point of view!
Having said that tho, i can see where you are coming from too, but where does it end, how long will people have to wait for a pay rise, my boss have been giving a 5 year plan thing, sayin that there will be more cash available over the longer period of time, but i bet he said that 5 years ago too, and people still on similar money!
Its a tough world for the employee!
Don''t get me wrong, it is at the end of the day a business run & owned by two partners with a support staff of three. Thing is they have been able to write more business due to the support staff. So when you increase productivity by 25% I am not expecting a 25% rise by any stretch of the imagination. I know we had a one off investment in IT OVER year ago of £15k other than that overheads have been the same. I was just not expecting to be given £700 & told it's a pay rise, but then have my bonus/commision changed which effectively takes the £700 back. No rise then in what is effect 3 years. I am sorry but right now I cannot & do not even want to see it from Bosses perspective because from where I sit yesterday was a cheap shot & if I could walk into another job tomorrow I would not have even bothered coming into work today.
Has your commission pay now been put into your basic...and thus guaranteed? If so that does remove a degree of uncertainty especially if you don't have such a good year next year. At the same time though it removes a valuable incentive to perform to a higher level. Take HI's advice, stay positive and look around you may just find you are more marketable than you think and use this as a lever to encorage your current bosses to reconsider.
I set up a new small business last year and at that time paid a slightly higher market rate to recruit good people (and they were aware of that fact), vital to a small company and one of my management requirements has always been to surround yourself with the best, the best 4 will do the work of three and that may be another angle you can take. I employ 7 people and would not like to lose any of them
Ketman/Carlsberg, communication is all about seeing it from the other persons point of view even if you don' t agree with it.
PS business coaching available (04 MCS will give me a reference) at £700 per day plus free Charlton gossip
I did the treasury personal rate of inflation thing (uk stats online) this week, and I have had about 20% inflation over the last 3 years and about 7.5% increase in pay. While the place I live gets more and more expensive.
Ketman man you are being ripped off! so am I...
The state of education in the Borough of Greenwich I am either going to have to move or send my children to private (or schools in Bexley) so they get a vaguely reasonable education and I am not sure the Bexley plan will work.
F this I am off to Oz.
One of the main reasons I relocated to the Medway Towns over 20 years ago now was the state of the schools in SE London. Down here they still have grammar schools and even the high schools aren't too bad. Add to that the fact that you get "more house" for what you can afford it makes sense. The one downside is the commuting. If you can hack that though the quality of life for a family is far better than SE London. In the summer I can take them to the coast in 20 minutes to half an hour for example and I'm in open countyside in five minutes.
i went for my manager's job and didn't get it, when everyone including my manager that was vacating his post thought i had it nailed on. it went to a newer less experienced member of staff (who wears low tops). a week later i got a better job & better money. walked into the department managers office and told him. he asked me to reconsider. he even stopped me whilst having a slash in the gents. asked me outright if i would have stayed if i had been offered the job. i said yes and the look on his face was a picture. don't get taken for granted. if you're a good worker they should try harder to keep you.
remember we work to live, we don't live to work
Sage advice, you might like your job but life is too short to work where you are unhappy.
In my experience many companies get their recruitment policies and remuneration system totally arse about face. They'll promote the unhappy and even poor workers thinking that the added responsibility/pay rises will keep them at the company while those who are quiet, get on with their job etc, often get shafted because the management know they won't make a fuss and because they dare not move someone who is doing a good job in case that person can't be replaced. A company I worked for in the early '90s hit financial trouble, it held on but had a pay freeze for a two years. Quite a few valuable members of staff left in that time and were replaced by inexperienced people but at higher wages than those who left - what was the point of that?
Look at this as an opportunity... you now know what your current employers will pay, be patient, look elsewhere, see what the interest is for you and then when offered something you can either hand your notice in or use the new job offer to re-negotiate a better pay rise as you see fit.
Good luck.