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VJ Day 65 Years on

Today marks the 65th Anniversary of the end of the War in the Pacific v Japan and so the end of World War II

30,000 British people (12,500 in horrendous prison camps) and many more Asian people died to achieve the victory.

Never Forget, Never Again
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  • Those prison camps were something else. Never again.
  • My father was part of that campaign, not a POW, but he was a quiet man, and didn't talk much about his time in Burma, but undoubtedly it shaped the rest of his life.
  • My grandfather served in the Navy and was part of the convoy of ships that ferried the former POWs home. He could never believe how poorly the Japanese had treated them.
  • My grandfather was a surgeon in India and Burma during the war and missed the fall of Singapore by a hairsbreadth. Didn't tell me too many stories about that time but one that i do remember was that he and his fellow doctors were given machine guns to defend the patients if the lines were broken, apparently other hospitals that had fallen had been massacred. Very different kind of war to the European theatre.
  • Almost 30,000 British service personnel died while serving in the Far East. Of the hundreds of thousands who fought, 12,500 died in Japanese prison camps.
    ...............................................

    "It was horrific - there were around 6,000 of us in the camps at one point and by the time we were released, the number fell to 127.
    "People would get cholera, typhoid and dysentery but there was no medical treatment. Often they had to amputate, but it was no use."
    He said the prisoners had made a secret radio and, when they could, one would sneak out, and listen to transmissions before sharing the information with the others.
    But it was only when the Japanese and Korean guards disappeared did the survivors realise the situation in the wider world had changed considerably and the Allied forces were celebrating their victory.
    "The Allied forces parachuted in to come and get us - I think about three or four days after the final surrender.
    "We were in such bad condition. I could hardly walk and had sores all over my body I had contracted chronic dysentery and malaria.
    "By that point, I weighed 5st 9lb and every bone in my body was visible."
    It took months before he was able to return to his family in the UK - who at one point had been informed that he was presumed dead and so had begun grieving for him.
    "I was flown back in the dead of the night but all I could focus on was forgetting everything.
    "I'll never forget what happened to me. I still have nightmares now.
    "We were the forgotten army right from the word go - [Prime Minister Winston] Churchill gave up on us as nobody was able to get through those jungles."
    ........................................................

    Beyond my imagination. The forgotten army? Not any more I hope. R.I.P.
  • Wouldn't it be nice if some of the younger ones on this site would read this thread, and think of the acrifices people made so they could live in peace. But to all the oldies who fought in the wars and the youngster who are still out there doing their bit, i would just like to say thank you.
    Regards
    Kerry
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]My father was part of that campaign, not a POW, but he was a quiet man, and didn't talk much about his time in Burma, but undoubtedly it shaped the rest of his life.[/quote]


    My Dad too mate the 14th Army , the forgotten army under Major Slim..... Again R.I.P. Dad
  • As you can tell i live quite close to Burma/myanmar i am planning a trip soon.
  • When you go home,
    Tell them of us and say,
    For your tomorrow,
    We gave our today.
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  • The senselessness of war.

    RIP - gone, but never forgotten - and eternally indebted.
  • My next door neighbour's son was a Japanese PoW. I remember as a small kid I'd see him going though the dustbins on our landing to find food as he couldn't bear any waste. He later emigrated to Canada, married, brought up a family and became a Dean of one of their universities.

    Like many a truly brave man who through unimaginable adversity survived, and I guess through that adversity got strength to restart his life.

    We should never forget them.

    As an aside I also remember as a kid neither my mum nor grandmother would buy anything Japanese, there was very strong feeling about this, whilst we shouldn't forget it is good that scars heal.
  • I study Military history specialising in WW2 and they were the forgotten army, VE came along in may and it was 3 months later that WW2 officially ended.
    I think that both wars should be reintroduced to the schools curriculum, so the kids of the future can pass on the memory of the brave men and women (from all countries) of both wars - RIP

    As a microcosim of the far east theatre in WW2 Read Jungle Soldier - The story of Freddy Spencer Chapman. This is an unbelievable book written by Bryan Moynahan, and gives a insight into the human strength needed to survive.

    Link

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/6607168/Jungle-Soldier-by-Brian-Moynahan-review.html
  • edited August 2010
    [cite]Posted By: CharltonKerry[/cite]My father fought in Burma for about 4 years, like all others of the forgotten army, he didn't talk much about it, what he did tell me was horrendous. He was in the Royal engineers and behind enemy lines for months at a time, when their rations run out they ate the mules, when these run out they used to fight over the rotting flesh of dead animals. When they first arrived off the boat from England they where taken to a hospital where they where shown crucified nurses and nuns, plus murdered soliders still in their beds, he reckoned those sights stayed with him the rest of his life, i probably can vouch for that as i still remember his nightmares.
    When he was in his early 80's he took it upon himself to go back their to visit the British war cemetary in Kohima, i couldn't understand why a crippled frail old man in a wheelchair would want to go all that way and finally he told me why, he wanted to find his best mates grave who he had to kill with a single shot as he was to badly injured to get back to hospital, what a choice he had leave him to be butchered by the Japs or kill him yourself, i wonder what you would have done. But the nice thing that come out of his trip was that he found the grave, and i think he managed to settle his mind after this. He fought alongside the Gherka's and unbeleivable these old man also in there 80's walked for 3 to 4 days across mountains to meet up with the old British soldiers at Kohima.
    The battle of Kohima is an epic tale and deserves telling. Anyway after Kohima the tide turned and the British advanced back through Bruma, my father and his associates where in the thick off it fighting all the way, and unbelievably they didnt take a single prisioner. When he arrived home, there was no welcome for him, just the pleasure of meeting his 4 year old son who he had never seen before.
    They where brave men and deserve every ounce of reconition. RIP dad.

    Thank you for that CharltonKerry.

    Your father's experiences graphically bring home the effects of war on those at the sharp end to those of us lucky enough to have avoided it.
  • CharltonKerry that is a wonderful contribution, my father died in 1975, and as I said earlier didn't speak about his experiences in Burma much...but reading your piece just now has brought a tear to my eye. RIP my dad too.
  • [cite]Posted By: bibble[/cite]I study Military history specialising in WW2 and they were the forgotten army, VE came along in may and it was 3 months later that WW2 officially ended.
    I think that both wars should be reintroduced to the schools curriculum, so the kids of the future can pass on the memory of the brave men and women (from all countries) of both wars - RIP

    As a microcosim of the far east theatre in WW2 Read Jungle Soldier - The story of Freddy Spencer Chapman. This is an unbelievable book written by Bryan Moynahan, and gives a insight into the human strength needed to survive.

    Link

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/6607168/Jungle-Soldier-by-Brian-Moynahan-review.html

    Many thanks for that. Have ordered it ( via AFKA's shop of course!)
  • [cite]Posted By: CharltonKerry[/cite]Wouldn't it be nice if some of the younger ones on this site would read this thread, and think of the acrifices people made so they could live in peace. But to all the oldies who fought in the wars and the youngster who are still out there doing their bit, i would just like to say thank you.
    Regards
    Kerry
    I've just sat and read this thread. Incredible stories. Thanks CharltonKerry in particular. At only 22 it's easy for my generation to forget and even be totally unaware of this kind of stuff.
    Heroes one and all
  • Thanks Seth and Plum brought a few tears to my eyes just writing it, seems to be some decent books about the war in Burma coming out at present, somebody mentioned about buying anything Japenese, i want a seiko watch for my 21st, did i get one, no way, was he upset that i asked, you bet, the hate went to his grave with him.
    Another little story i remember was the night they got caught in an ambush, completely surround and out of ammo, they then fought hand to hand, back to back, until they where alone, probably not that unusual, apart from the fact my father was stuck to a tree by a japenese bauyonet. He had great and very interesting life, brought up in the east side of Dartford, being the youngest of 11 children, his father died when he was 2, he was brought up the hard way, always intelligent, he actually passed for Dartford grammer but his family couldn't afford the uniform. throughout his life he fought many a union battle and was always standing up for the underdog. Prior to his death he wrote his life story (missing out his exploits in Burma unfortunately) a copy of this now is in the Dartford library, for future generations to read.
    Funny story after he came back he always suffered with his knees and hip, eventually he went into the military hospital in Woolwich, where he was put with a load of SAS who jumped out of a plane without parachutes, unfortunately the pilot cocked up and they missed the trees, when he got wheeled in after his hip operation, he come to with armed soldiers in beds around him, he didn't know that the IRA had just bombed Woolwich whilst he was undergoing his operation and they expected them to attack the hospital. What was amazing was these SAS had guns tucked up in bad with them and they where looking forward to the assult. Why was he being looked after, they said because of the respect the forgotten army had from the common or garden soldier.
    Sorry to be so long winded but these anniversaries always bring back memories.
  • edited August 2010
    My late father's cousin was a pilot and was killed in Burma in June 1945.

    The VE celebrations were less than a month before yet, in the theatre outside Europe, still people didn't return after that date.

    Slightly off topic: the Commonwealth War Grave Commission site shows 13 entries for my father's cousin's (uncommon) surname in both World Wars. I am definitely related in varying degrees to 4 of those listed and quite probably a 5th which I have yet to confirm for sure.

    It might be that this family was particularly badly affected by war I don't know the statistics as a whole.

    For me though it exemplifies all too starkly the evils of war and it annoys me that politicians sitting in their plush Whitehall offices so lightly send good men to an early death. Lions led by donkeys.

    RIP to them all.
  • Kerry, Seth and others,

    thanks for the stories. By re-telling them you keep them alive and so honour your parents and their colleagues.

    Len, speak to Addickted. He has an unusual surname and is visiting as many of his namesakes graves as he can. The one is Basra (from WWII) may be difficult he says.

    Talking of bayonets I took my Dad's bayonet from his flat to give to my younger brother (lucky I wasn't stopped by the police).

    It was pre-world war one issue and what they call a sword bayonet with a 10 or 12 inch blade. Most World War two soldiers used newer shorter bayonets but as my dad was in Royal Engineers Bomb Disposal they kept theirs. They used them to probe in the sand to find land mines before clearing them.

    As kids it was a toy we played with. Strange now when you think that this was all that was between my dad and him being blown, literally, to bits. he survived but some of his mates weren't so lucky.
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  • I'm not terribly fimilar with the British involvement in the Pacific Theatre, it's a shame really as they do tend to be forgotten about, I've read a fair bit about the Marines in Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Guadalacanal etc and what went on there was horrific, those prison camps weren't far off what the soviet and german prison camps on the Eastern front. Need to do some reading on the British campaign, wish the BBC would do some shows on it.
  • Bridge on the River Kwai is a good start even if it is fiction.

    The World at War also.
  • if you go the the River Kwai onhols there are TWO war grave sites. One is in the town and the other is a boat ride away. Go them both but the one thats a boat ride is well worth theffort.

    Read the book King Rat-------------says it all really.
  • RIP
    One and All
  • [cite]Posted By: CharltonKerry[/cite]My father fought in Burma for about 4 years, like all others of the forgotten army, he didn't talk much about it, what he did tell me was horrendous. He was in the Royal engineers and behind enemy lines for months at a time, when their rations run out they ate the mules, when these run out they used to fight over the rotting flesh of dead animals. When they first arrived off the boat from England they where taken to a hospital where they where shown crucified nurses and nuns, plus murdered soliders still in their beds, he reckoned those sights stayed with him the rest of his life, i probably can vouch for that as i still remember his nightmares.
    When he was in his early 80's he took it upon himself to go back their to visit the British war cemetary in Kohima, i couldn't understand why a crippled frail old man in a wheelchair would want to go all that way and finally he told me why, he wanted to find his best mates grave who he had to kill with a single shot as he was to badly injured to get back to hospital, what a choice he had leave him to be butchered by the Japs or kill him yourself, i wonder what you would have done. But the nice thing that come out of his trip was that he found the grave, and i think he managed to settle his mind after this. He fought alongside the Gherka's and unbeleivable these old man also in there 80's walked for 3 to 4 days across mountains to meet up with the old British soldiers at Kohima.
    The battle of Kohima is an epic tale and deserves telling. Anyway after Kohima the tide turned and the British advanced back through Bruma, my father and his associates where in the thick off it fighting all the way, and unbelievably they didnt take a single prisioner. When he arrived home, there was no welcome for him, just the pleasure of meeting his 4 year old son who he had never seen before.
    They where brave men and deserve every ounce of reconition. RIP dad.
    That's an amazing story, thanks for sharing it.
  • there is a story of a ghurka victoria cross winner that when you hear it sounds like it was written by Hollywood and Sly Stone. they were trying to stop a Japanese advance he was in a fox hole ,his mate killed next to hm. He then lost the use of one arm by shrapnel from a grenade and was injured in several other ways but by fring a machine gun(with one arm) and using hand grenads he repulsed the attack. When he was relieved there were over 30 dead enemy bodies in front of his fox hole---------------stunning.
  • There is a immense book called The Railway man written by Eric Lomax. it is a biography of this normal bloke's war years particularly from when he was captured in Singapore and ended up working on the railway into Burma .

    I have never cried reading a book before,
  • http://www.burmastar.org.uk/
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]if you go the the River Kwai onhols there are TWO war grave sites. One is in the town and the other is a boat ride away. Go them both but the one thats a boat ride is well worth theffort.

    Read the book King Rat-------------says it all really.[/quote]

    I was there this year ..try posting a couple of photo's.
  • The cemetery in the town.
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