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No apologies for this : PARKINSON OUT NOW
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WSS - both Adkins and Poyet are GOOD managers - even at this level - what Poyet has done to Brighton since joining them has been a revelation - I don't think you can say there are no good managers in this league!0
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[quote][cite]Posted By: CafcAndy[/cite]Parky goes and joins Preston, we get a new manager with funds, everyones happy. Do it quick though!
It's easy to throw about names, but apart from who is avaialble, who would come to us?
Least we can sit players and potential managers down and show them what direction we want to go in.[/quote]
Why the phuck would Preston want Parky especially after last nights debarcle.0 -
Never liked or rated Parky. Several people said he did a great job to get the get the team into the playoffs last year.. why ? he had a team that should be in the championship, all he has achieve is getting them NOT to play like a team.
I just wish that the secret owners of the club go up to Curbs, show him that they have the cash that he would need to bring the side back into the premiership and that he signs for us.0 -
Happy for Parky to stay until the end of the season and he has my support although I wish he would come up with a plan B sometimes and seems to be making the same mistakes. Yes last night was a disaster but not the end of the world, sat in 5th and 3 points off automatic promotion with half a season to go. We are not rock bottom and facing another relegation which would be a basis for people to react like this. Anything but promotion though this season and I would expect a complete new management team with the end of Parky and co's contract up anyway.
Poyet will never ever come to Charlton at this moment, there is unhinged potential at Brighton, new stadium due and 6 points clear at the top, coming to Charlton would be a backward step for him and makes no sense at all regardless of his relationship with the new owners.0 -
More laughable suggestions for manager. We want someone who is going to definitely be better than Parky. The likes of Paolo Sousa and Paul Trollope aren't any better than what we've got.
4-3-3 and 4-5-1 are very similar and it's easy to switch between the two. It's not as if we were playing a flat 5 in midfield was it. It was more of a 4-2-3-1. However Racon kept going missing from the 2 and McCormack was pushed too close to Benson in the 3.0 -
I am astonished that PP still gets support. Comments like "I think Parkinson would do a good job at Preston" and "paulo Sousa and Trollope no better than what we have got" have you actually watched any Charlton games this season ? Football is a game played on grass and that where the ball should predominantly be. Ask Paul Benson what he thinks ?0
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fair enough, but the talent we had in the championship was good enough to stay there.
to have a good team you have to manage/motivate them otherwise they don't gel together.... Dowies, Reed, Pardrew and Parky... hardly team builders.. just my opinion.0 -
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]I am astonished that PP still gets support. Comments like "I think Parkinson would do a good job at Preston" and "paulo Sousa and Trollope no better than what we have got" have you actually watched any Charlton games this season ? Football is a game played on grass and that where the ball should predominantly be. Ask Paul Benson what he thinks ?
Have you watched any of the teams managed by Paolo Sousa? Most ridiculous suggestion ever, he was always criticised for a lack of plan B and negative style of football. Sacked after 8 games and 1 win at Leicester and branded as clueless. Really?0 -
I remember the time on several forums when fan's got on Curb's back saying that he brought us as far as he could in the premiership (mid table).... arg... now that really peed me off.0
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No doubt Parky will survive. He seems to have a charmed life. What I would say is that there are going to be apt of empty seats at The Valley from now on. The style of football served up by Parkinson is the worst I've seen in going week in week out for fifty years. I can't put up with the torture much longer and judging by the posts above I am not alone. He is a liability to the club now because he is driving loyal fans away and yet he still gets support.0
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[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]I am astonished that PP still gets support. Comments like "I think Parkinson would do a good job at Preston" and "paulo Sousa and Trollope no better than what we have got" have you actually watched any Charlton games this season ? Football is a game played on grass and that where the ball should predominantly be. Ask Paul Benson what he thinks ?
Have you watched all of the teams managed by Trollope and Sousa?0 -
That'll be Paul Trollope who was sacked this season by Rovers when 21st in the League.0
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I agree with nichorob and dabos here, a lot of the suggestions are managers with no better records than Parky (not seen their teams play so can't judge on that)
If we can get someone like O'Driscoll or Howe then that's fine, but I just don't believe the "anyone but Parky" suggestions won't get us anywhere.
If we get a new manager let's do it properly like Southampton did. There's a lot of managers out there that who will say they'll play good football and take us up but only a handful could pull it off.0 -
Well if Parky gets the sack after one home game under new ownership i'd be more worried about the type of owner we have than anything else. Success is built on reasoned decisions and continuity not knee jerk reaction.
I personally can't see Parky being the one who leads us back up the league but at the same time this is still a team built with peanuts, we are still in the playoff positions and the players are obviously thinking about the big cup game coming up.
Yes we were awful yesterday but the board need to stick to a plan. I'd give Parky a go until the end of the season personally i think he has earned that right. If we go up, i'd give him a small amount of money to improve the squad and aim for survival. If we fail to get promoted then yes let him go and bring in someone else.0 -
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite] What I would say is that there are going to be apt of empty seats at The Valley from now on. The style of football served up by Parkinson is the worst I've seen in going week in week out for fifty years... He is a liability to the club now because he is driving loyal fans away ...
It may well be that this is what will force the new owners' hands. They are businessmen and they know it is not good business to have a half-empty stadium.
If they make the correlation between empty seats and the style of football Parkinson serves up, he's dead meat.0 -
[cite]Posted By: johnny73[/cite]Well if Parky gets the sack after one home game under new ownership i'd be more worried about the type of owner we have than anything else. Success is built on reasoned decisions and continuity not knee jerk reaction.
I personally can't see Parky being the one who leads us back up the league but at the same time this is still a team built with peanuts, we are still in the playoff positions and the players are obviously thinking about the big cup game coming up.
Yes we were awful yesterday but the board need to stick to a plan. I'd give Parky a go until the end of the season personally i think he has earned that right. If we go up, i'd give him a small amount of money to improve the squad and aim for survival. If we fail to get promoted then yes let him go and bring in someone else.
i think your missing the point - its not about earning the right - you don't think he will take us up but you'd stick with him. Why? We lose millions every year we stay in this division so why stay with somebody you don't think will get you up? It won't be knee jerk, they'll have put plans a b and c together over the last few months - if they haven't then we are in the shit.0 -
It wouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to one defeat. If they havn't had someone watching us for at least the last month I'd be amazed. If so they'd have seen us struggle against non league opposition, the team bottom of League 2 and the team bottom of League 1. Plus games against Brighton and Colchester when not only could we not take advantage of teams playing a large portion of the game with ten men but we looked clueless as to how to deal with that. Far from knee jerk.0
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Results 7/10 - we are probably have more points now than most people would've expected in August
Performances 4/10 - too many poor performances, especially at the Valley, even when earning points - these suggest that without a fit Ayinsah and/or new blood then promotion is unlikely.
If the new guys have a good manager waiting in the wings, then go for it, otherwise I would back Parky with a couple of new signings.0 -
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]It wouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to one defeat. If they havn't had someone watching us for at least the last month I'd be amazed. If so they'd have seen us struggle against non league opposition, the team bottom of League 2 and the team bottom of League 1. Plus games against Brighton and Colchester when not only could we not take advantage of teams playing a large portion of the game with ten men but we looked clueless as to how to deal with that. Far from knee jerk.
Well said, Large.
One could even argue that the knee-jerk reaction is to allow Parky to blunder on ''because we're still fifth''.
That's a kneejerk to our league position which ignores every other piece of evidence - i.e. we are playing rubbish, we're getting worse rather than better, we're a dozen points behind where we were this time last season (when we failed to make automatic), successive home defeats against struggling teams, his style of football is driving away the fans etc.etc.0 -
To be honest i feel a bit lost today - I have always been in the pro Parky camb and woudl say still am but after thought today i have been the pro Parky camp for what he has done on limited budgtes and turnover of players and very limted in our other options. We now have other options and rescoures to push on, does this mean that is now time to say Thank you for what you have done in stablishing us and giving a platform for some one else to come in and push on as we do not feel you are the person to delivery Championship Football???0
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IF we have money and the board have a sound financial plan to get us out of this division by investing in a proven manager and players then fine get Parky out if they do not think he is the man for the job and they have an idea who can do it.
However despite the takeover I'm still working on the basis that everything has to be done on a shoestring budget. Within that criteria (despite 1 or 2 blips) Parky has done a good job. I also refuse to make theoretical suggestions which will cost the club money and provide no guarantee of success.
Why would i keep Parky if i do not think he is the man for the job? Because I do not have the qualifications to say he isn't. Regardless of what any of us think we are still in contention for promotion.
For me the next few weeks are more about learning about the attitude and intentions of the new owners. This is far more important than who currently manages the first team.0 -
[cite]Posted By: CafcAndy[/cite]Answering our own questions here without noticing.
If we sack Parky and get a new manager in like Sausa, then whose to say it won't backfire.
What we need is something to give positivity all round and restore some belief
Chris Powell or someone alike for me..
Don't get me wrong Chris Powell is one of my favorite ex-players, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea to install him as manager at this point. He would certainly get the fans vote, but what about actually doing the job of managing a football club? How long would the honeymoon period last before people start calling for his head if results don't go our way?0 -
I don't think to sack him after 1 game of ownership is a knee-jerk reaction at all. If i bought a business that was not fulfilling it's expected potential then i would be looking at what changes i could make to turn this around, and the first thing i would look at is my management staff to see if they're competent enough to carry out the job.
I have always been of the opinion that some supporters here were dead against him purely because he was brought in by pardew and would never be accepted no matter what he achieved. We cleared out practically all of pardews signings and this is pratically PP's team now, players he has chosen to play for the club. Okay, he hasn't had money to buy, so this has limited who he can bring in but for me it's not just a matter of the players not being good enough, but also about their character and hunger. For me these elements are lacking in most of his signings and there's no excuse for that, along with his lack of tactical awareness and not using what he has to the best effect. You don't try to hammer in nails with a screwdriver do you? Sadly, he seems to be doing just that! So for these reasons i'm afraid i've shifted over to the camp that say's "thanks parky, but you just aint doing it and we're going to have to let you go".
As for a new manager? Well, who knows? We can't really say as we don't really have a clue as to how much money they have or are willing to invest at this point. If the pot has some depth then its a much better proposition to would be candidates. I would love to see Chris houghton given a go. Can't see him or others interested if they got no money to strenthen the squad though. Someone else i would like to see back at the club (maybe as assistant) is Stevie Brown. He obviously loves the club and as (i believe) he's youth coach down in brighton, it wouldn't take too much to persuede him to come home for a more senior role.0 -
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]It wouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to one defeat. If they havn't had someone watching us for at least the last month I'd be amazed. If so they'd have seen us struggle against non league opposition, the team bottom of League 2 and the team bottom of League 1. Plus games against Brighton and Colchester when not only could we not take advantage of teams playing a large portion of the game with ten men but we looked clueless as to how to deal with that. Far from knee jerk.
They have. His name is Dennis Wise and I'd be amazed if he's had many positives to report back on!0 -
The transfer window is open - either they back Parky or they should sack him now and give the new manager time to get a couple of his signings in before the window closes. It's no good changing the manager later on when he has to work with Parky's players.0
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[cite]Posted By: The Red Robin[/cite][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]It wouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to one defeat. If they havn't had someone watching us for at least the last month I'd be amazed. If so they'd have seen us struggle against non league opposition, the team bottom of League 2 and the team bottom of League 1. Plus games against Brighton and Colchester when not only could we not take advantage of teams playing a large portion of the game with ten men but we looked clueless as to how to deal with that. Far from knee jerk.
They have. His name is Dennis Wise and I'd be amazed if he's had many positives to report back on!
Yes, Wise has been 'spotted' at quite a few of our games in the last month or so, that was obviously his role: to advise the new owners of how the team is performing under PP, which is poor and iconsistent.
PP has done very well to bring in the right kind of players with hardly any funds BUT he has not got them playing as a team. When he did 'accidentally' discover the right balance/formation (Reids injury, JJ steps up to LM) he goes and changes it again after a successful run and has cocked it up again. PP is not going to get us promoted, he will keep us around the play-offs at best but does not install the right passiuon in the players to win those type of games anyway.
I think PP is on borrowed time and we have to make a direct, positive decision: change the manager/coaching . We will miss out again this year with PP so the risk is there to take and I'm sure they will do just that.
The new owners will realise that not going up this year will severely damage the potential they have just brought into, season ticket sales/attendances next year will be poor. I, for one, have had it up to here watching this shite football and lack of any fight and will not, for the first time in 20 years, buy a ticket next year if this carries on. I simply cannot justify the money or time away from my family to watch such dire crap!
Happy New Year!0 -
[cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]The transfer window is open - either they back Parky or they should sack him now and give the new manager time to get a couple of his signings in before the window closes. It's no good changing the manager later on when he has to work with Parky's players.
this.
I know this is hopelessly old-fashioned of me, but maybe he could accept he isn't able to reasonably continue and resign. God I must be getting old.0 -
RT @rs_sports Rumours Phil Parkinson has been sacked by Charlton #cafc0
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He is a numpty of the highest order he has to go.The idiot is clueless0
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Let's all be honest: mostly all we to say about PP is that he is a nice guy, that says it all really. Time for a change!0
