I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Civil Partnerships aren't solely about making your love for one another public. They also give you certain tax considerations, state benefits, pensions & legal rights (such as wills etc).
I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Civil Partnerships aren't solely about making your love for one another public. They also give you certain tax considerations, state benefits, pensions & legal rights (such as wills etc).
It gets worse! The suggestion now is that the reason that this unnamed, over paid, under worked gay championship footballer has civil paternershipped his boyfriend is to avoid paying tax on his hefty wage packet. Schools, hospitals and public works don't appear by magic. Maybe the tax dodging gay footballer has other reasons that he doesn't want anyone to know.
Aren't you the enlightened chap that said the horrors taking place in Syria were the fault of people who demonstrated against the Iraq war a decade ago ?
I suggest you re read the Syria thread. When you struggle with a big word, just let me know and I'll help you.
Not too many big words here old boy (and I've copied the entire opening paragraph of your diatribe so I can't be accused of taking the odd sentence out of context):
Smudge7946 "The blame for the sad recent events in the middle east lies directly with the estimated one million left wing soap dodging naïve idiots that thought they were being so clever, high and mighty by getting on the 'not in my name' band wagon and demonstrating against the Iraq war ten years ago."
Well done for taking the time to do that. If you want to respond please do so on the Syria. I would be interested in hearing a considered response rather than Just abuse.
I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Why does it seem odd that some individuals do not wish to behave in the same way that other individuals do Smudge? Why should Addickted's friend not do exactly what he wants with his life, just because others chose to campaign in the past? If you choose not to vote why would I consider you to be "very odd" because of the struggle the chartists had to gain you that right to vote?
I think the sentence: "He just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he knows he'll get from the terraces." is explanation enough really.
Algarve, he is being open about it. The gay footballer and Addickteds gay mate have told there work colleagues about there civil partnership and are clearly not worried about others finding out.
If the gay footballer was so concerned about being called names from the stand, he wouldn't civil partnership his gay mate and wouldn't have told people about it.
Incidentally why does the spouse of a well paid championship footballer work? Surely they have enough money to go shopping, beauty treatment and enjoy musical theatre all day.
I am getting the wind up element here, smudge, although if you were playing the same games regarding race I think you would have been banned by now, but that's neither here nor there. But back to the point, he is open about it to a few friends and family, why should he do anything further than that if he does not want to. As has been repeated twice, he may not want abuse from the terraces, simple as that?
The gay championship footballer is simply not making any effort to to keep his sexuality secret. Not many other footballers make such public announcements about getting married
However I fully understand him keeping quiet. I challenged a few posts and received horrendous abuse. Imagine that magnified on the terrace. Algarveaddict even tried to compare me to racist. I would normally ignore such potentially hurtful and crass comment and regard the poster as little more than common scum.
What does sadden me is that Algarve is such an enjoyable poster who makes a very interesting and worthwhile contribution to charlton I'm upset and angry with you Algarve and not at you, so lets move on.
I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Civil Partnerships aren't solely about making your love for one another public. They also give you certain tax considerations, state benefits, pensions & legal rights (such as wills etc).
I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Civil Partnerships aren't solely about making your love for one another public. They also give you certain tax considerations, state benefits, pensions & legal rights (such as wills etc).
It gets worse! The suggestion now is that the reason that this unnamed, over paid, under worked gay championship footballer has civil paternershipped his boyfriend is to avoid paying tax on his hefty wage packet. Schools, hospitals and public works don't appear by magic. Maybe the tax dodging gay footballer has other reasons that he doesn't want anyone to know.
Aren't you the enlightened chap that said the horrors taking place in Syria were the fault of people who demonstrated against the Iraq war a decade ago ?
I suggest you re read the Syria thread. When you struggle with a big word, just let me know and I'll help you.
Not too many big words here old boy (and I've copied the entire opening paragraph of your diatribe so I can't be accused of taking the odd sentence out of context):
Smudge7946 "The blame for the sad recent events in the middle east lies directly with the estimated one million left wing soap dodging naïve idiots that thought they were being so clever, high and mighty by getting on the 'not in my name' band wagon and demonstrating against the Iraq war ten years ago."
Well done for taking the time to do that. If you want to respond please do so on the Syria. I would be interested in hearing a considered response rather than Just abuse.
Abuse ? I asked you whether or not you'd made a statement and you invited me to re read you words. I did, then proved you had said those words and now you claim you are being abused ? Pathetic.
I work with a guy who is in a civil partnershp with a Championship footballer. All his teamates are aware he's gay - he just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he know's he'll get from the terraces.
That seems very odd. Gay blokes moaned and protested for years for there gay relationships to be public and the law was changed to allow gay civil partnerships. Now addickted is telling us about his work colleague who is a gay civil partnership with a gay championship footballer, but the whole thing is some sort of state secret as the happy participants in this gay union are scared that people might find out!
Why does it seem odd that some individuals do not wish to behave in the same way that other individuals do Smudge? Why should Addickted's friend not do exactly what he wants with his life, just because others chose to campaign in the past? If you choose not to vote why would I consider you to be "very odd" because of the struggle the chartists had to gain you that right to vote?
I think the sentence: "He just doesn't want to be open about it, mainly because of the abuse he knows he'll get from the terraces." is explanation enough really.
Algarve, he is being open about it. The gay footballer and Addickteds gay mate have told there work colleagues about there civil partnership and are clearly not worried about others finding out.
If the gay footballer was so concerned about being called names from the stand, he wouldn't civil partnership his gay mate and wouldn't have told people about it.
Incidentally why does the spouse of a well paid championship footballer work? Surely they have enough money to go shopping, beauty treatment and enjoy musical theatre all day.
I am getting the wind up element here, smudge, although if you were playing the same games regarding race I think you would have been banned by now, but that's neither here nor there. But back to the point, he is open about it to a few friends and family, why should he do anything further than that if he does not want to. As has been repeated twice, he may not want abuse from the terraces, simple as that?
The gay championship footballer is simply not making any effort to to keep his sexuality secret. Not many other footballers make such public announcements about getting married
However I fully understand him keeping quiet. I challenged a few posts and received horrendous abuse. Imagine that magnified on the terrace. Algarveaddict even tried to compare me to racist. I would normally ignore such potentially hurtful and crass comment and regard the poster as little more than common scum.
What does sadden me is that Algarve is such an enjoyable poster who makes a very interesting and worthwhile contribution to charlton I'm upset and angry with you Algarve and not at you, so lets move on.
Mate, you've been rumbled, so I just hope no one else responds to you.
The one thing I find so positive about is that not one member of this board has sent me a PM asking who the player concerned is.
To me this speaks volumes as to the way gay players are perceived by your 'average' Charlton fan and that their chosen sexuality is nobodies business but their own.
The one thing I find so positive about is that not one member of this board has sent me a PM asking who the player concerned is.
To me this speaks volumes as to the way gay players are perceived by your 'average' Charlton fan and that their chosen sexuality is nobodies business but their own.
Sorry but this reads just like the posters who say 'I know who we are going to sign but I'm not going to tell you, I just want you all to ask me about it.' I had my doubts about your claim when you said that this footballer wanted his sexuality and marriage kept secret and yet everyone at his partner's work knows - and very risky position. This update makes me even more suspicious about whether you were just attention seeking in the first place. I really hope I am totally wrong but it is hard to read inference from words and this is how I have read it.
Depends how you use the term. If it's used for offensive then it's offensive...
Goes for pretty much anything, Black, White, Ginger, 4 eyes, Fat, Lanky etc
Where does the term 'poof' originate, I am just surprised that this particular term was highlighted in the article over others as being offensive
The first known use dates to a court proceeding in the Old Bailey in 1833: "Marchell began..by saying there was a gentleman who gave a great deal of money for boys..he said, there was a gentleman in the City, too, that was one of these poofs, as he called them... I never heard the word poofs before". The etymology is uncertain but is believed to be a variant of puff (meaning number 8 in the OED), "A person who is puffed up with pride or vanity, or who behaves arrogantly or insolently; a boaster, a braggart". A suggested connection with either French pouf , pouff false bottom in a dress (late 19th cent.; spec. use of pouf , pouff pouf n.) or French pouffiasse , poufiasse prostitute (1859; a derivative of pouf , interjection: see poof int.) seems very unlikely. [Source - OED].
The point I was trying to make is that not all those who have had homosexual experiences are homosexual as such. There can be many reasons why people experiment with members of their own sex from living in closed communities, to intense friendships etc, etc.
Reliable statistics are hard to come by but according to Kinsey (one of the foremost authorities on sexual behaviour) and his successor Gebhard around 37% of men and 13% of women have had both heterosexual and homosexual experiences.
Yet nowhere near those percentages would regard themselves as exclusively homosexual and indeed many live happy satisfying heterosexual lives and have no desire to repeat their homosexual performances.
If deep in the desert one finds a bottle of water does one check whether it is Evian or Peckham Spring or simply drink it gratefully?
Youngsters with raging hormones similarly crave sexual experience with someone other than themselves. If that happens to be with their own sex it is often because that is what was available not that they are homosexual and an experimental part of the growing up process.
Len you're misquoting Alan Bennett. When he was asked if he was gay or straight he replied "That's a bit like asking a man crawling across the Sahara whether he would prefer Perrier or Malvern water." He wasn't saying he'd take whatever he could get, but was pointing out that as far as he was concerned it was academic cos nothing was on offer anyway.
And the last few seasons been to freq games with my partner. Never have had any problems with homophobia with Charlton Fans. Some may Banter. But when you go to football what do you expect? i never take it to heart ..
Same when Charlton play Brighton. '' We can see you holding hands '' When obviously there not ... Hell i even join in with those Chants. There is a fine difference between homophobic comments and plain simple banter.
I also knew another lad who used to go down Charlton with His partner, Again in the J block. and again never had any issues. and he was plain camp and obvious .. you could tell from a mile away.
Now days its much more knowledgeable if people are gay. But at the same times i can understand why some football players are not out .. Why make it public? Who cares? its there own business .. you dont see straight guys advertising there straight do you?
There are most probably players that are LGBT but why would they feel the need to vocalize it ? they dont and wouldn't ... its just confidential
the fact that not one single gay footballer has came out the closet apart from john fashanu is astounding and worrying there has been a lot of work done to stop racism in the game and despite the recent storys involving suarez and terry there has been a lot of progress. However there has been basically no work done to stop homophobia in football more than other sports such as cricket and rugby where 2 high profile players have came out publicly. why is it you think no footballers have come out
And the last few seasons been to freq games with my partner. Never have had any problems with homophobia with Charlton Fans. Some may Banter. But when you go to football what do you expect? i never take it to heart ..
Same when Charlton play Brighton. '' We can see you holding hands '' When obviously there not ... Hell i even join in with those Chants. There is a fine difference between homophobic comments and plain simple banter.
I also knew another lad who used to go down Charlton with His partner, Again in the J block. and again never had any issues. and he was plain camp and obvious .. you could tell from a mile away.
Now days its much more knowledgeable if people are gay. But at the same times i can understand why some football players are not out .. Why make it public? Who cares? its there own business .. you dont see straight guys advertising there straight do you?
There are most probably players that are LGBT but why would they feel the need to vocalize it ? they dont and wouldn't ... its just confidential
The one thing I find so positive about is that not one member of this board has sent me a PM asking who the player concerned is.
To me this speaks volumes as to the way gay players are perceived by your 'average' Charlton fan and that their chosen sexuality is nobodies business but their own.
Sorry but this reads just like the posters who say 'I know who we are going to sign but I'm not going to tell you, I just want you all to ask me about it.' I had my doubts about your claim when you said that this footballer wanted his sexuality and marriage kept secret and yet everyone at his partner's work knows - and very risky position. This update makes me even more suspicious about whether you were just attention seeking in the first place. I really hope I am totally wrong but it is hard to read inference from words and this is how I have read it.
No it doesn't. It provides an example of a gay professional footballer - whose partner I happen to know. He's never asked me to keep their relationship secret, but as far as I'm concerned (and obviously the other people who are aware), then it's nobodies business but theirs.
Not quite sure how that converts to me 'attention seeking'.
I know it's a different cause entirely but this weekend is so sort of breast cancer awareness week in the NFL and most of the teams have all their players wearing pink boots, laces, gloves etc.
Some will be - people are naturally conservative when it comes to shaking up the status quo - there will be a lot of people considering this as "why are you rocking the boat", or considering homophobic chants as just 'banter', just as when racism in football was being tackled some claimed the same. Over the next couple decades lets hope for some more people coming forward and being honest about their sexuality - it must be pretty awful to live in the closet in such a homophobic and hyper-masculine environment.
And the last few seasons been to freq games with my partner. Never have had any problems with homophobia with Charlton Fans. Some may Banter. But when you go to football what do you expect? i never take it to heart ..
Same when Charlton play Brighton. '' We can see you holding hands '' When obviously there not ... Hell i even join in with those Chants. There is a fine difference between homophobic comments and plain simple banter.
I also knew another lad who used to go down Charlton with His partner, Again in the J block. and again never had any issues. and he was plain camp and obvious .. you could tell from a mile away.
Now days its much more knowledgeable if people are gay. But at the same times i can understand why some football players are not out .. Why make it public? Who cares? its there own business .. you dont see straight guys advertising there straight do you?
There are most probably players that are LGBT but why would they feel the need to vocalize it ? they dont and wouldn't ... its just confidential
And the last few seasons been to freq games with my partner. Never have had any problems with homophobia with Charlton Fans. Some may Banter. But when you go to football what do you expect? i never take it to heart ..
Same when Charlton play Brighton. '' We can see you holding hands '' When obviously there not ... Hell i even join in with those Chants. There is a fine difference between homophobic comments and plain simple banter.
I also knew another lad who used to go down Charlton with His partner, Again in the J block. and again never had any issues. and he was plain camp and obvious .. you could tell from a mile away.
Now days its much more knowledgeable if people are gay. But at the same times i can understand why some football players are not out .. Why make it public? Who cares? its there own business .. you dont see straight guys advertising there straight do you?
There are most probably players that are LGBT but why would they feel the need to vocalize it ? they dont and wouldn't ... its just confidential
that is the way it should be, we are all different, and we should ALL celebrate the difference, wheather the PC brigade like it or not.......I live in Brighton I have a wife and 3 kids, and just for the record am as straight as an arrow ..... I have men employed and almost all of them are Brighton fans, and they are ALL are offended by the pc brigade objecting to the ANTI homo banter, The general opinion seems to be "its banter" but the minority seem to speak for the majority . They often sing "one nill to the nancy boys, one nil to the nancy boys, its banter both ways .... ......just saying !
The problem with explaining non offensive homophobic chanting as banter is that it normalises the language. This is a problem that was seen in the Black community for years when there was an un-written rule that Back men could use the N word on each other as they were not be 'racist' and just bantering. In the last few years this has changed (a change led by Black women it has to be said) on the general agreement that the word is derogatory and any use normalises it. Interesting this is the opposite approach taken in some quarters where there have been attempts to 'reclaim' language and reverse it's meaning. Just shows there are no easy answers.
I disagree , as the previous gay guy said he joins in with the chants , and the Brighton fans also join in with the chants .... it seems to be the "straight PC brigade" that are "making waves " just saying !
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However I fully understand him keeping quiet. I challenged a few posts and received horrendous abuse. Imagine that magnified on the terrace. Algarveaddict even tried to compare me to racist. I would normally ignore such potentially hurtful and crass comment and regard the poster as little more than common scum.
What does sadden me is that Algarve is such an enjoyable poster who makes a very interesting and worthwhile contribution to charlton I'm upset and angry with you Algarve and not at you, so lets move on.
To me this speaks volumes as to the way gay players are perceived by your 'average' Charlton fan and that their chosen sexuality is nobodies business but their own.
I had my doubts about your claim when you said that this footballer wanted his sexuality and marriage kept secret and yet everyone at his partner's work knows - and very risky position. This update makes me even more suspicious about whether you were just attention seeking in the first place.
I really hope I am totally wrong but it is hard to read inference from words and this is how I have read it.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20130919-powell-to-let-players-decide-over-laces-1064917.aspx
Sordell's in, hopefully they'll bring him some goals as well.
.@BurtsyWurtsy if there are some laces there for me then I shall be definitely!! #RBGF #cafc'
And the last few seasons been to freq games with my partner. Never have had any problems with homophobia with Charlton Fans. Some may Banter. But when you go to football what do you expect? i never take it to heart ..
Same when Charlton play Brighton. '' We can see you holding hands '' When obviously there not ... Hell i even join in with those Chants. There is a fine difference between homophobic comments and plain simple banter.
I also knew another lad who used to go down Charlton with His partner, Again in the J block. and again never had any issues. and he was plain camp and obvious .. you could tell from a mile away.
Now days its much more knowledgeable if people are gay. But at the same times i can understand why some football players are not out .. Why make it public? Who cares? its there own business .. you dont see straight guys advertising there straight do you?
There are most probably players that are LGBT but why would they feel the need to vocalize it ? they dont and wouldn't ... its just confidential
The outcry from the usual suspects on here after the Brighton game was plain embarrassing.
Could be there are none
Law of averages say there should be a few!
Not quite sure how that converts to me 'attention seeking'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25628806
We are all gay for Yann anyway.
This is a problem that was seen in the Black community for years when there was an un-written rule that Back men could use the N word on each other as they were not be 'racist' and just bantering. In the last few years this has changed (a change led by Black women it has to be said) on the general agreement that the word is derogatory and any use normalises it.
Interesting this is the opposite approach taken in some quarters where there have been attempts to 'reclaim' language and reverse it's meaning.
Just shows there are no easy answers.
Really?