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Studying abroad

edited January 2012 in Not Sports Related
Hi guys!

I'm currently in the first year of sixth form, doing my A-Levels. I'm defintely planning to go to Uni, and I was looking at doing History somewhere like Bristol/East Anglia/Exeter etc. Anyway, recently I've been told about the possiblility of studying in the Netherlands, as the courses are free, and in English, meaning I'll leave Uni without student debt. I was wondering if someone might be able to help with a few questions.

1. What is it like living in a country, where you can't speak the language?
2. Has anyone studied in a non-English speaking nation, without knowing the language? What is it like?
3. What is Holland like? Have any of you lived there? And would you reccomend it for a student? Probably Amsterdam or the Hague

I know that the Dutch are great at languages, but I'm not sure on the general knowledge of English for the average person.

Sorry for starting the thread, but it'd be great to read some first-hand accounts. Thanks for the help!

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  • For questions 1 and 2, ask your classmates.
  • I don't get it...
  • I can't help directly, but my brother did something similar, he went to Spain and did a TEFL course (teaching english) and really enjoyed himself, he couldn't speak much Spainish at the start but picked up alot up whilst there and is now pretty much fluent in Spainish speaking.
    It'd be hard, as I assume you already know, but you'll probably learn another language which is a big plus in modern times.
    I guess if you're a social and confident kinda person, you'd be fine

    Good luck with whatever happens
  • Almost all Dutch people speak English, most of them very well. I know the university town of Leiden quite well and it is a great place to be a student; the population of students seems huge! Every place has its good and bad points but having lived in the Netherlands for a couple of years I would really recommend it as a place to get educated. A tall, long-legged Dutch girlfriend would make it perfect! So go ahead and do some more research, I'm aware of quite a few UK students doing the same thing. Take a look at the website www.studentroom.co.uk which has a lot of great advice on all things student. Good Luck!

  • More importantly, why mortgage your future for the sake of a poxy history degree?
  • More importantly, why mortgage your future for the sake of a poxy history degree?
    What a wonderfully ignorant comment.
  • Check out Maastrict (sp), course fees are/were £1450 per year, and you get those back if you're in the top 5% of your course, teaching is in English for many courses. I think they work on a principle that it is quite easy to get in, but tough to stay if you don't work hard.

    http://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/
  • edited January 2012
    More importantly, why mortgage your future for the sake of a poxy history degree?
    What a wonderfully ignorant comment.
    I love how smug the manual labour force are about the choices of academics and graduates in the current economic climate. Wait til machines are all doing your f'ing jobs and see if you're still smiling then.

  • Great country and studentlife. You will have no problem with language - everyone will speak English to you, and don't expect to learn any Dutch unless you are really committed - they just won't let you! (I found it hard enough, and I was there to sudy Dutch!!) You get BBC on TV and programmes and films are subtitled rather than dubbed.

    I'd check out the syllabus options - what history will you study? From my experience, the Dutch tend to be very vocational, so most history students would be expected to go on and teach history or continue with academic research.

    I lived for a year in Utrecht when studying, and then 18 months in Amsterdam a few years later and would really recommend it. Back in those days, student flats were basically unfurnished apart from maybe a bed-frame and a large cupboard - not sure if that is still true, but was a shock when I turned up! The Dutch are very friendly and sociable on the surface, but it can be difficult to make close friends as a foreigner - they know you are not there to stay, so that can restrict things. However, I did make a handful of really good friends that I'm still in touch with many years later.

    You'd have to get a bike - but make sure it's an old rusty one as anything decent tends to get nicked!

    All the best, and if I can help any further, just shout.
  • Not sure if the "they all speak English" thing is all that valid outside Amsterdam. Went to the Netherlands a few years ago with a friend for a week's holiday - stayed in Amsterdam and had no trouble getting by in English there. Our day in The Hague was less easy.

    Just a thought (in the opposite direction of what the OP's thinking about) - some universities (and I can see this growing) do offer part time degree courses, London's Birkbeck College (part of London University) -specialises in part time courses, mainly evenings to cater for people who work in day jobs. The situation for fees / loans and such for part time students from September 2012 is still slightly fuzzy, but this could offer the chance to earn a bit of money (and not in the typical low paid part time 'student job' sort of thing) while studying.

    Obviously, the 'life experience' bit is going to be less than moving to another country for a few years, and the student mix is going to be more varied than a typical university course in terms of age and background - which may or may not suit.

    (Declaration of interest, I've been doing the pre-degree level at Birkbeck for the last few years, and starting to think about whether to go on to the degree course or what - in terms of student age range, it's been from 20-somethings to retired people at this level - although with this you can just do one evening a week for one term sized chunks for personal interest.)

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  • I can't say I've studied in Holland, beyond a bit of sociological contemplation in the Amsterdam cafes and what-have-you, but I can say that there's nothing more educational and, indeed, in the spirit of what a true university education should be all about, then studying in another country. I am from a small place that forces you out for university, because there is no other option, so I've studied in both Canada (two different provinces) and the UK. Those three Universities all gave me something unique. Investigate it a bit more and, if it feels right, go for it.
  • Lived in Holland for 15 years before returning to the UK. Returned in 2010 and still here. You will have no problem with the language as most Dutch speak English. One thing you might like to consider though is that the cost of living is pretty high over here, although you can buy a crate of 24 bottles of beer for 7 euro's. Your choice as to where you go, but I would personally try to steer clear of Amsterdam ( too many distractions). As Killarhales mentioned earlier, Leiden is a nice place and pretty central for Amsterdam and Den Haag. Whatever you choose I hope it goes well. By the way, I live in Gouda, just down the road from Leiden.
  • Say cheeeese!!!
  • Grab the bull by the horns and go for it! You only live once and you only really regret the things you don't do. My cousin is married to a Dutch bloke and lives in Holland. Her husband speaks fluent English, her kids are truly bilingual and in all the times I've been over I've never had trouble making myself understood.
    Be prepared to work hard if you want to pick up some Dutch lingo tho, pretty tricky in my experience.
    Good luck mate.
  • More importantly, why mortgage your future for the sake of a poxy history degree?
    My uncle did a History degree, he's now a partner at PWC, shame that he didn't listen to your advice.

    I studied in Australia for a year and loved every minute of it. Feel free to send me a private message as they're a lot of idiots on this thread.
  • The Dutch do all speak English but remember that they will speak Dutch to each other which may make you feel lonely. If you plan to study there you should learn the language however good their English is.
    I reguolarly travel to the Netherlands and they are great people but it is hard not even being able to say the most basic things.
  • Thanks for the help guys! I really appreciate the effort you guys have put in to help. I know that quite a few Brits are doing this, and also other non-Dutch people. I've been searching around, and I haven't been able to find anywhere that teches History in English, so this is the biggest issue at the moment, but I'm looking at a few other possible courses. I would miss the UK, and Charlton greatly, but as someone said, you only live once, and it would be a great experience. I might look to do my masters there after three years in the UK instead, but I'm going to keep searching. Thanks, lads.
  • We might not all be lads, Fred... ;-)
  • Sexism on this site!! Whatever next?
  • More importantly, why mortgage your future for the sake of a poxy history degree?
    My uncle did a History degree, he's now a partner at PWC, shame that he didn't listen to your advice.

    I studied in Australia for a year and loved every minute of it. Feel free to send me a private message as they're a lot of idiots on this thread.

    I was speaking from experience and my own degree, although I didnt have to worry about tuition fees and student loans. My brother never went to univeristy and enjoys a high successful carear in the city.

    My advice is if you want to spend the rest of your working life paying for a degree go ahead, but only go for a top univesity and avoid humanites. If you want to stay in a foreign country where English isnt the first language, then join the army. Give it a year or two and they'll be in Iran !!
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  • edited January 2012
    I did a year in Seville as part of my undergraduate degree when I was 20.

    Without a doubt, the single best year of my life and it will never be replicated.

    Obviously you might not get 30-40 degrees for months on end over in Holland but the whole experience will leave you questioning why you ever doubted you wanted to do it! I had to go to Spain as part of my course and wasn't overly looking forward to being without Charlton (they plummeted out of the Championship), my family (they were all still here when I got back) and my girlfriend at the time (another discussion entirely!) for so long but in hindsight it was unfounded. From my experience of Holland and having met Dutch people they are incredibly good at English, fun, laid-back and love their footy and boozing... what more could you want?!

    Happy to answer any questions you might have...

    One thing I would say - I was fairly comfortable in Spanish before I went (GCSE, A level, 2 years at degree level) and there were still times when it passed me by... definitely get cracking on the basics of dutch asap and if you don't think you can manage that then reconsider...
  • Ja , wat kan de stomme Engelsman redelijke goed Nederlands praaten (niet)
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