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Ched Evans Court Case - Found guilty and sentenced to 5 years
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I have no fears. MI5 will quickly rule me out of being in league with the Evans apologists if only on the basis of being able to spell "MI5"0
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From what I've read there was some implied consent for M by not only her getting in his cab but her voluntarily entering his hotel room and shoving her hand down his trousers as soon as they got in there, as reported.
That quite obviously wasn't the case with E, who did what he did after the implied consent with M.
The speed of the jury reaching it's verdict is what I find amazing in convicting one but not the other.0 -
As mentioned previously I would not like to be tried for anything at Carnaervon Court.In that neck of the woods they would like to shoot you stealing a sheep!0
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That piece in the paper by Martin Samuel was a powerful and excellently written piece , that Sums my feelings on the whole Stinking sorry state of affairs properly .
People like ched evans are scum absolute filth , the fact that they are Footballers makes it worse as it means they have followers in their thousands
But some of the disgusting comments that have been said on the internet are outrageous and it sickens me to believe there are filth out there walking our streets and drinking in places where I may be drinking
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I think he is a terrific writer, but I'm not comfortable with Samuel's comment that, "We presume the jury reasoned that, despite being in an advanced state of incapability, agreeing to go to the hotel with McDonald was consent, of sorts, and she may have even initiated the one-night stand."
They're not saying the woman consented, they're saying they cannot be sure beyond reasonable doubt that she didn't. I really don't get this 'illogical' stuff. They were convinced that Ched Evans had no consent, they couldn't be certain that was also true of McDonald.
If by 'advanced state of incapability' he means 'blind drunk', then she was in no position to provide 'consent of sorts' and moreover, McDonald as a 'reasonable person' should have recognised this.
Indeed if only one of the two was to be found guilty, one might argue it should have been McDonald because he spent more time with her and thus had longer to assess the state she was in, regardless of any implicit or explicit consent 'of sorts' that he may have thought she had given him.
This is precisely the root of the apparently illogical nature of the verdicts that some of us are uncomfortable about.0 -
3 people have been arrested by S Yorks Police and are being interviewed by S Wales Police about the naming of the victim on Twitter, according to BBC News channel0
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@legaladdick Out of interest, what grounds do you imagine Ched Evans will rest upon if seeking leave to appeal?0
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Are they still going ahead with the 9min and 35th Minute clapping or something protest ?0
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3 people have been arrested by S Yorks Police and are being interviewed by S Wales Police about the naming of the victim on Twitter, according to BBC News channel
3 males. We have to be a little bit circumspect in writing about Ched Evans because it could turn out on appeal that he is an obnoxious character rather than a rapist but with regards to the tweeters (who may or may not include one or more of these individuals) I rue that fact that £5000 appears to be the maximum fine.0 -
Hi Rikofold
As I haven't read anything from the trial itself it is impossible for me to identify anything specific. The usual grounds are that the judge's directions to the jury were flawed, or that there was some misconduct by the prosecution that should have stopped the trial (although there doesn't seem to be any such suggestion here.) The acquittal of one and conviction of the other defendant will almost certainly be part of the application to appeal - after all if you are going for it you lob in any grounds you can think of. Some appeals contain numerous grounds on the 'never mind the quality, feel the width' approach hoping that the Court of Appeal will fall for it. It rarely works!!0 -
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Hi Rikofold
But as I posted the other day the process of applying for leave to appeal must be "relatively" cheap compared to his loss of earnings whilst in jail and therefore inevitably worth a punt?
As I haven't read anything from the trial itself it is impossible for me to identify anything specific. The usual grounds are that the judge's directions to the jury were flawed, or that there was some misconduct by the prosecution that should have stopped the trial (although there doesn't seem to be any such suggestion here.) The acquittal of one and conviction of the other defendant will almost certainly be part of the application to appeal - after all if you are going for it you lob in any grounds you can think of. Some appeals contain numerous grounds on the 'never mind the quality, feel the width' approach hoping that the Court of Appeal will fall for it. It rarely works!!0 -
Absolutely!! Although I suspect it's not the loss of earnings that will be uppermost in Evans mind but several years inside. The appeal will probably cost him a few grand at most, even if it goes before the full court. Lawyers aren't as expensive as they used to be!!!!Hi Rikofold
But as I posted the other day the process of applying for leave to appeal must be "relatively" cheap compared to his loss of earnings whilst in jail and therefore inevitably worth a punt?
As I haven't read anything from the trial itself it is impossible for me to identify anything specific. The usual grounds are that the judge's directions to the jury were flawed, or that there was some misconduct by the prosecution that should have stopped the trial (although there doesn't seem to be any such suggestion here.) The acquittal of one and conviction of the other defendant will almost certainly be part of the application to appeal - after all if you are going for it you lob in any grounds you can think of. Some appeals contain numerous grounds on the 'never mind the quality, feel the width' approach hoping that the Court of Appeal will fall for it. It rarely works!!0 -
Absolutely!! Although I suspect it's not the loss of earnings that will be uppermost in Evans mind but several years inside. The appeal will probably cost him a few grand at most, even if it goes before the full court. Lawyers aren't as expensive as they used to be!!!!
No chance. The brief fee alone would be much more than that. My experience of the Court of Appeal is costs of £20-£40K (admittedly that is the civil division).
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Crime pays less than civil Jints!!!0
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this has just come up on Sky Sports Transfer Centre
Footballer Ched Evans will be welcomed back by Sheffield United when he is released from prison, according to a supporters' group. Evans is due to be released in October after serving half of a five-year sentence imposed in April 2012.0 -
Classless even coming from them.paulie8290 said:this has just come up on Sky Sports Transfer Centre
Footballer Ched Evans will be welcomed back by Sheffield United when he is released from prison, according to a supporters' group. Evans is due to be released in October after serving half of a five-year sentence imposed in April 2012.
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that is a disgrace!1
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Supporters group =/= The actual club.0
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I agree although not sure which is the biggest disgraceC4FC4L1f3 said:that is a disgrace!
1-Being let out after only serving half his time
2-That he is allowed to just walk back into the club
3-That the fans are just gonna welcome him back
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Saw on a website earlier that 60,000 fans have signed a petition asking Sheffield United not to re-sign him.
Didnt realise that Sheffield United had so many supporters (Especially as they only got about 20,000 fans for their match against Bristol City)0 -
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Indeed! the country is going to the DOGS!paulie8290 said:
I agree although not sure which is the biggest disgraceC4FC4L1f3 said:that is a disgrace!
1-Being let out after only serving half his time
2-That he is allowed to just walk back into the club
3-That the fans are just gonna welcome him back0 -
You're right, he should be condemned to live off the dole for the rest of his life, and then we can demonise him even more!
What he did was awful, but what do you want him to do now? You are sent to prison as punishment... Is the problem that he is going into a job which is so well paid? In the limelight etc? The fact that he is a role model? Because with the greatest of respect I just don't understand what people expect to happen...
He is absolute filth, and I want nothing to do with him, but he is a footballer, that is his career....10 -
I'd be interested to hear Nigel Clough's views on all this.
He comes across as a decent man.1 -
Very good post Huskaris.
Does anyone know how Ched Evans feels? He may be full of remorse for his actions or he may be an arrogant bastard who thinks he got away lightly?
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Thought I read somewhere recently that he has visited Ched in jail. Really hope this is not the case. Absolute scum.LenGlover said:I'd be interested to hear Nigel Clough's views on all this.
He comes across as a decent man.0 -
He is claiming he will clear his name when he comes out, seems pretty remorseless and is not accepting any guilt.iaitch said:Very good post Huskaris.
Does anyone know how Ched Evans feels? He may be full of remorse for his actions or he may be an arrogant bastard who thinks he got away lightly?0 -
Your right he still says he is innocent despite being found guilty,Huskaris said:
He is claiming he will clear his name when he comes out, seems pretty remorseless and is not accepting any guilt.iaitch said:Very good post Huskaris.
Does anyone know how Ched Evans feels? He may be full of remorse for his actions or he may be an arrogant bastard who thinks he got away lightly?
and I seem to remember there being a story that his family was harassing the girl and she had to move and change her name (I might be wrong on this, but I seem to remember something about it)0 -
As you said earlier he's a footballer so obvious he would go back into that profession.0
