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Dartford Crossing Toll charge to go up by 50p (ed. up to 2.50 soon)
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Thought it was the DfT. Their logo is on my auto payment account.guinnessaddick said:
Does the Dartford tolls go to the government? Thought it went the French company that owns it.Gribbo said:
Stick the toll up by 2 quid.AFKABartram said:Something needs to be done to decrease the Dartford tunnel queues
In reality it won't help the congestion, but it'll mug Joe Public of another few quid from their disposable, that the government are intent on getting their hands on.0 -
Just check, yes it’s DfT.Gribbo said:
Thought it was the DfT. Their logo is on my auto payment account.guinnessaddick said:
Does the Dartford tolls go to the government? Thought it went the French company that owns it.Gribbo said:
Stick the toll up by 2 quid.AFKABartram said:Something needs to be done to decrease the Dartford tunnel queues
In reality it won't help the congestion, but it'll mug Joe Public of another few quid from their disposable, that the government are intent on getting their hands on.0 -
"The Dartford Crossing generates over £200 million per year from tolls and fines.
The operating costs are much lower, meaning the UK government makes a substantial surplus."
Apparently the government outsources collection, enforcement and maintenance to a Spanish firm.0 -
D’oh!killerandflash said:
And the gridlock in Dartford whenever there's a problem in the tunnels or approach roads. You can't keep adding crossings in the same place, as an accident on the approach road (e.g. between the A2 and Princes Road) blocks everything.AFKABartram said:Something needs to be done to decrease the Dartford tunnel queues
If only they’d thought about that before siting the Silvertown Tunnel0 -
I’m surprised it could be built within 7 years. That sounds optimistic.0
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If it was in Japan they'll have it done by the end of the yearvalleynick66 said:I’m surprised it could be built within 7 years. That sounds optimistic.0 -
Whilst the congestion at Dartford does need addressing, there is no escaping the fact that the new tunnel is going to be devastating for nature. The connecting roads will cross some very important habitats, that cannot easily be replaced. When this is built there will no doubt be more land developed to the detriment of nature. The A229 Bluebell Hill will also be radically changed, as it will form the main link from the M20 to the M2 and the new tunnel. The proposed changes will devastate the roadside nature reserve that runs alongside Bluebill Hill which is a habitat for rare orchids amongst other species at risk of extinction.
The following link to Kent Wildlife Trust's statement on the announcement explains just how bad this is for nature.
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/lower-thames-crossing-approved-response?fbclid=IwY2xjawJPzZ9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHdwHpMwGtTd6nlq86FaFZYgg917sQxI25bfIPlEr214J-NvI-V5nQULCaA_aem_thKCOk8ODU5KcJrAclsuYA
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The same is true of any construction on land where there is currently no development, everything but brownfield sites.It would be interesting to know what alternative routes, at higher cost, were less damaging.0
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The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA 0 -
They could have moved it a few hundred yards closer to Gravesend town centre & then it would have ploughed straight through the Denton area. Anyone from around that area knows that this would have improved it no end...😉😄Alwaysneil said:The same is true of any construction on land where there is currently no development, everything but brownfield sites.It would be interesting to know what alternative routes, at higher cost, were less damaging.6 - Sponsored links:
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I thought this myself. Absolutely nobody would object to Denton being razed'golfaddick said:
They could have moved it a few hundred yards closer to Gravesend town centre & then it would have ploughed straight through the Denton area. Anyone from around that area knows that this would have improved it no end...😉😄Alwaysneil said:The same is true of any construction on land where there is currently no development, everything but brownfield sites.It would be interesting to know what alternative routes, at higher cost, were less damaging.0 -
Could they have made that video go a bit slower? Even at twice playback speed it absolutely crawled (much like traffic through the Dartford Tunnel).Hex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA2 -
From 1st September1 -
Is the pre-pay the one where you have your card registered and they just debit £2.50 every time you cross? Or do you have to have an account pre-loaded with £ and top up, say £20 at a time?0
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I hope soDoctorCharlton said:Is the pre-pay the one where you have your card registered and they just debit £2.50 every time you cross? Or do you have to have an account pre-loaded with £ and top up, say £20 at a time?0 -
Isn't it currently £2 if you pre pay? So an 80p increase from September.DoctorCharlton said:Is the pre-pay the one where you have your card registered and they just debit £2.50 every time you cross? Or do you have to have an account pre-loaded with £ and top up, say £20 at a time?0 -
That's an account with them which you pre-load with money and has auto top-up from your cc.DoctorCharlton said:Is the pre-pay the one where you have your card registered and they just debit £2.50 every time you cross? Or do you have to have an account pre-loaded with £ and top up, say £20 at a time?2 -
won't ever get builtHex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA0 -
Haven't they just announced £600m in funding for it?Elthamaddick said:
won't ever get builtHex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA0 -
Yes, but needs billions of private funding in order to get built. I personally think it probably will get built (cost tolls = future revenue streams).sam3110 said:
Haven't they just announced £600m in funding for it?Elthamaddick said:
won't ever get builtHex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA0 - Sponsored links:
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That's additional to the £1.2bn that has already been spent, just on stuff with no actual construction taking place!sam3110 said:
Haven't they just announced £600m in funding for it?Elthamaddick said:
won't ever get builtHex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA0 -
As a country we are now so poor at delivering core infastructure, that our Victorian forefathers and mothers, sorry forepeople, doh! you know what i mean... must be spinning in their graves.
Some of the cost analysis figures you see punted around regarding infastructure per mile in the UK compared to anywhere else on the planet are chastening.
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No, that was Dartmouthsam3110 said:
Haven't they just announced £600m in funding for it?Elthamaddick said:
won't ever get builtHex said:The map showing the junction of the LTC and A2 is somewhat simplistic. This flyby video shows what is planned.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5g264PojA9 -
soapy_jones said:As a country we are now so poor at delivering core infastructure, that our Victorian forefathers and mothers, sorry forepeople, doh! you know what i mean... must be spinning in their graves.
Some of the cost analysis figures you see punted around regarding infastructure per mile in the UK compared to anywhere else on the planet are chastening.
Have you seen how much a blimmin roundabout costs? Around one million quid. For a circular bit of road. Absolutely crazy.0 -
Good idea of Gordon Brown to sell it before it went free as was promised.No booths but still regular queues.Terrible service to the motorist.2
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Keeping it all in-house to various other branches of government would keep costs way lower than needing to pay a bunch of private firms with shareholders to pay out to.soapy_jones said:As a country we are now so poor at delivering core infastructure, that our Victorian forefathers and mothers, sorry forepeople, doh! you know what i mean... must be spinning in their graves.
Some of the cost analysis figures you see punted around regarding infastructure per mile in the UK compared to anywhere else on the planet are chastening.
The scale of infrastructure projects in China is phenomenal. Over 30,000 miles of high speed rail track, for example. They only started in 2008. UK can't even get HS2 done. It's hard to see a truly thriving future UK within the current framework we operate in.5 -
Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Keeping it all in-house to various other branches of government would keep costs way lower than needing to pay a bunch of private firms with shareholders to pay out to.soapy_jones said:As a country we are now so poor at delivering core infastructure, that our Victorian forefathers and mothers, sorry forepeople, doh! you know what i mean... must be spinning in their graves.
Some of the cost analysis figures you see punted around regarding infastructure per mile in the UK compared to anywhere else on the planet are chastening.
The scale of infrastructure projects in China is phenomenal. Over 30,000 miles of high speed rail track, for example. They only started in 2008. UK can't even get HS2 done. It's hard to see a truly thriving future UK within the current framework we operate in.And yet when the canals were built it was with private investment, the same with the original railway lines 200 years ago, before the rest of the world caught up. The main difference is the amount of red tape.Government departments and local authorities are not efficient. I have first hand experience.
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Too much pandering to protest groups, environmentalists and general NIMBY's. Planning & consultations seem to go on for years. I bet Bazlegete didnt have that problem when he built our sewers or the Clifton suspension bridge.fenlandaddick said:Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Keeping it all in-house to various other branches of government would keep costs way lower than needing to pay a bunch of private firms with shareholders to pay out to.soapy_jones said:As a country we are now so poor at delivering core infastructure, that our Victorian forefathers and mothers, sorry forepeople, doh! you know what i mean... must be spinning in their graves.
Some of the cost analysis figures you see punted around regarding infastructure per mile in the UK compared to anywhere else on the planet are chastening.
The scale of infrastructure projects in China is phenomenal. Over 30,000 miles of high speed rail track, for example. They only started in 2008. UK can't even get HS2 done. It's hard to see a truly thriving future UK within the current framework we operate in.And yet when the canals were built it was with private investment, the same with the original railway lines 200 years ago, before the rest of the world caught up. The main difference is the amount of red tape.Government departments and local authorities are not efficient. I have first hand experience.2 -
The joker in the pack China have is that they simply do not give a fuck about the environmental or human cost of anything, there's a town in the way of their train track/olympic village/clump of high rise buildings they simply move everyone.
Bueareauchracy or however you spell that, is an industry in the UK. Things start as well intended but explode into committees, regulation groups, paid jobs. Health and safety legislation is another. The idea is sound however it is never long before someone decides there is a margin to be had and the whole thing ceases to be about keeping people safe rather than ensuring jobs for people who like holding clipboards.3 -
My 2nd internet love after CL of course is this wonderful site. It's a bit creaky after all these years, but sums up all that is happening or not, in construction. I have recommended it on here over the years.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forums/uk-ireland-architecture-forums.29/&ved=2ahUKEwiD1Lbe5P-NAxVYT0EAHZ0VF1UQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1uFH4LTmRO5X6jTj6aA7_n
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