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Dissertation Project - Help Needed

I'm a life long Addick currently at Southampton Solent University, studying Sports Journalism. I'm about to start work on my dissertation, which is based around social problems, mainly hooliganism, within football. If any of you Lifers know anything about the topic, or perhaps were involved, and would be willing to talk to me about the subject, I'd really appreciate it? It would be informal and you may get a pint out of it too! Please let me know and we can get in contact or inbox me if you'd prefer.
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  • Thanks for your suggestion, will help me a lot with my research :)
  • Maybe you should try the Millwall site. Perhaps they have some more people knowledgeable about this subject.
  • nothing I can help you with, sorry mate, but nice to see another southampton student! im just starting my dissertation...on forest fires. anyone know anything about them?
  • I can't help you with that either. Although I was hoping that some of the older Charlton fans might of been able to help. Good luck with your dissertation.
  • Forest fires are great for the Australian bush, fact
  • There's so many books on the subject just by them. Cas Pennant and the Brimstone's. Obviously they're full of shite, but it'll give you a good basis from the sociological asspect.... Loving mother's, working class background, earning well from a youngish age, and a feeling of disenfranchised either through class/race/broken-homes.
  • jams said:

    nothing I can help you with, sorry mate, but nice to see another southampton student! im just starting my dissertation...on forest fires. anyone know anything about them?

    There's always one bright spark and before you know it ..........

  • jams said:

    nothing I can help you with, sorry mate, but nice to see another southampton student! im just starting my dissertation...on forest fires. anyone know anything about them?

    I think Brian Clough had one, just before he left.

  • Forest fires are great for the Australian bush, fact

    I like australian bush
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  • Don't read anything that cass
    Pennant or any of that wrote look further afield with Sheffield Wednesday and the Luton books being a good read. Most people don't like talking about the subject for obvious reasons if been involved in past or currently. Good luck with your project i done the same subject. Don't waffle
    On too much and use concrete facts or second hand experience were available
  • This might be too dated for you but the author has a reasonable reputation for analysis rather than sensationalism

    http://greatwen.com/tag/chris-lightbown/
  • Cheers for the article Len, it was an interesting read and not sensationalised like quite a few of the books that are out there!!!
  • Just type up the script of Green Steet 2 and hand that in.
  • aha, be on for a first if I did that :P
  • "bit tasty"
    "Slap"
    "Bang out of order"
    "claret"
    "homo-eroticism"
    "our manor"
    "pornography of violence"

    Re-arrange these words in any particular order and you have it.
  • Off_it said:

    jams said:

    nothing I can help you with, sorry mate, but nice to see another southampton student! im just starting my dissertation...on forest fires. anyone know anything about them?

    There's always one bright spark and before you know it ..........

    Shame that someone cant come on here with a serious question without people trying to make smartarse comments and funny ( ish ) quips. This is a serious subject and deserves better.
  • I hope my
    Comments were helpful indie boy
  • yeah they were thanks Charlton Toddler, I need to read as many books as possible, so as you say I don't just waffle on, which is quite easy to do when writing 10,000 words!
  • Happy to help with your project - I have been attending The Valley since the 1950s. Standing on the old East Terrace I have witnessed the highs and lows of CAFC.
    In the 1950s the crowd was almost exclusively white, working class and male. People walked to the ground or arrived by train, bus or tram. In order to shift crowds of 40,000 plus, tram routes 36, 38 and 40 along the Woolwich Road used to run an intensive service. Definitely standing room only on each vehicle. The trams were cheap and reliable.
    The folk on the East Terrace were self policing. There was no segregation of opposing fans and anyone using foul language was soon put in his place by the rest. 'Watch the language, there are children present!' was heard occasionally. The gates at the Sam Bartram entrance were opened at half time. Many kids, myself included, would leave our bikes at the entrance and watch the second half for free. When the game was over, the bikes would still be where we left them. In short, all I remember is a very friendly atmosphere.
    I can't recall any form of crowd disturbance at that time. There were a few uniformed policemen in the ground and the police horses used to be exercised on a patch of green behind the present Jimmy Seed Stand.
    You can get a flavour of those days by reading David Lodge's piece on Charlie Vaughan, which was published (I think) in the Sunday Times supplement. Of course, the atmosphere changed somewhat in the 1960s and 1970s. I believe up until the late 1970s you could still walk round the ground. Unless you paid more, you could not join the people sitting in the grandstand. Again there was no segregation of opposing fans in the grandstand.
    The rise of football hooliganism has been put down variously to lack of discipline in the home/school, the ending of National Service in 1960/1, too much cheap booze, too much spending money, lack of respect for authority - you pays your money and takes your choice. The BBC Panorama programme ran a special on Millwall hooligans and this programme probably can still be accessed by researchers. As for Charlton fans, there was a spate of spraying the letters SES on neighbouring walls. I believe this stood for South East Shack - the Covered End's asnswer to the Chelsea Shed.
    There's a lot more on the subject, and I did witness several violent incidents in the 1970s. I hope this has given you some ideas for your project.
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  • edited September 2012
    A good start is Bloody Casuals by Jay Allen & Steaming In by Colin Ward.

    A lot of the rest are rubbish, although the We Fear No Foe book by Colin Johnson looked at the other side of following football rather than straight up fighting and how 10 lads done 500.

    One trap not to fall into is trying to link hooliganism with poor, ill-educated people from troublesome backgrounds because I know for a fact that people have been involved from all sorts of backgrounds; some who you'd expect to be vulnerable to getting involved to others with no history of violence whatsoever.

    A whole combination of factors are involved, whilst many who haven't experienced it will scoff at the suggestion, those who have flirted with it or been involved for a long time will know. Not an easy topic to discuss as many people will dismiss any other reason or explanation as excusing the behaviour.

    EDIT - also No One Likes Us by some academic is apparently a quite in depth look at the why's etc, must admit not got around to reading it, think it very much concentrates on social issues, external factors etc etc. Apparently a baffling read for your average person!
  • Most people don't like talking about the subject for obvious reasons if been involved in past or currently.

    Really? In my experience, anyone involved in football violence never f***ing shuts up about it.

  • Leroy thats total kak.
    have i told you about the time we ran Pompey at LondonBridge ? wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
  • Actualy fella there is a book the A to Z of football hooligan stuff. At least two people on here wrote bits that appeared in the book.
  • All people involved are young, racist, drunk thugs with no jobs from shithole estates who are a disease in football and only got involved 'cause they watched Football Factory.. According to the media!

    Seriously, something slightly different is the Hull book, goes in to a lot of detail about life as a young male in the 70's and the influence of clothing and music along with fv. Really good read.
  • Wow, thanks for all your posts. They will all help me a lot with my dissertation. I've read quite a few books, and I get the sense that their is a wide mix of fans that get involved. Goonerhater, you said a couple of people on here wrote bits that have appeared in the A-Z of Football hooligans, do you know them personally? and would they fancy meeting up for a informal chat? I know some people don't like talking about the topic, but would be great to get some stories. Thanks all once again!
  • Leroy thats total kak.
    have i told you about the time we ran Pompey at LondonBridge ? wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

    LOL - that made me laugh out loud!

    I was in Deptford last weekend - my God it's got even worse since I was there last :(
  • edited September 2012
    Try Hooligan wars - it tries going deeper into the background/causes etc, rather than we did this, they done that.
    Also Bill Burfords Among the Thugs and Scum Airways.
    And note there are hooligans and there are hooligans. It's impossible to put them all under the same umbrella in terms of background, reasons,causes, activity, danger etc.

    Good luck - I think its something that is very hard to explain unless you get it yourself.
  • Among the Thugs and Steaming In are the best recommendations here. For my sins I've ploughed through a lot of hoolie lit and they almost always follow the same format - small beleagured band of heroes travelling to far flung places to defend the honour of their club, never running in the face of superior numbers or weapons and never harming civilians while monsters from other clubs attack scarfers on a whim. Steaming In is a bit more warts and all and AtT is a bit more of an academic study mixed up with a good read.
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