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West Ham squad 'out of control'

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Reckless gambling ruining morale
Player won £38,000 from team-mates
Curbishley 'not talking' to big winner

Jamie Jackson
Sunday March 4, 2007
The Observer


A culture of reckless high-stakes gambling is causing division within West Ham and rupturing morale to such an extent that the first-team squad, already riven by cliques, is 'spiralling out of control' - and the players, manager and directors already know that they can do nothing to stop the club being relegated. That is the damning view from inside the dressing room at the Premiership's most troubled club.
Players are haemorrhaging vast amounts of money to each other at the card table, as much as £50,000 in one sitting. They have won and lost these staggering sums on the team coach to matches. 'How can they be in a good frame of mind for a match after that?' says one first-team player, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The player said: 'I've never seen anything like it in my career. It's one big mess here, the atmosphere is terrible, people don't talk to each other. Players are losing 30, 40 and 50 thousand pounds sometimes. By the time we arrive one player owes another and it's terrible for the team and morale. They are always playing cards.'

One senior player, an established international, is said to have won £38,000 from two of his team-mates in one afternoon recently. The losers had to pay up and manager Alan Curbishley is no longer speaking to the player who won the money. Two members of the squad have undertaken counselling and treatment for gambling addiction, and a third player is also believed to be seeking professional help.

The disillusioned player also identified a catalogue of other problems. These include spats between rival cliques within the dressing room over territory and wages; divisive tension between Curbishley and his players; doubts over the decision-making of new chairman Eggert Magnusson; and the widespread admission, privately, that the club will be relegated. He also said that one recent signing was amazed when he was asked to a meeting to discuss club affairs with senior management in a lap-dancing club, though the club strongly deny that any such meeting took place.

Added to West Ham's list of woes, as they prepare to take on Tottenham today, is the Premier League charge for alleged irregularities in the signing of the Argentine players Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez last August, which could result in the loss of points if the club are found guilty; and the pending trial of defender Anton Ferdinand on charges of assault and violent disorder following an alleged brawl outside a London nightclub last October.

It is the depth of the club's gambling problem, which has already caused winger Matthew Etherington and goalkeeper Roy Carroll to seek help, that most concerns Curbishley, according to our source. A West Ham spokesman said: 'The club is aware of the fact that gambling is an area of concern and the manager has made clear that it must stop. Steps have been taken to eradicate this in the team environment.'

It is believed that Curbishley's first attempt to stop the card schools some weeks ago failed, but gambling is now banned in situations where he is responsible for the team, such as on journeys to matches. But he has been unable to stop the poker sessions when training is over, and one recent session is said to have continued until 4am.

The former England striker Teddy Sheringham spoke about gambling earlier in the season when promoting the online poker site 888.com. 'I can see why it [gambling] does become a problem, especially for young players who have so much money and so much time on their hands. I've always enjoyed a drink, but at the right times, and I play poker at the right times. Some people take it to extremes. You've got to keep it under control.'

The gambling culture is one more headache for former Charlton manager Curbishley, who took over at Christmas, since when West Ham have won only once. Curbishley's predecessor, Alan Pardew, had taken the club to within a minute of winning the FA Cup last May, but then oversaw a dramatic slump this season. West Ham are now bottom of the table and 11 points adrift of safety.

According to a well-placed source at Upton Park, the players are 'certainly not a unit and haven't been for a long time. It began at the end of last season during Pardew's time. There is a huge division. Nigel Reo-Coker, Bobby Zamora, Marlon Harewood and Shaun Newton all hang out together. And Reo-Coker is constantly saying he is too good for the club, that he should be at Man United or Arsenal.' Team spirit is also damaged, according to the representative of one long-serving player, by the level of resentment about the wages paid to Matthew Upson and Lucas Neil, who were signed by Curbishley in the transfer window and are being paid big money. Neil is thought to have turned down Liverpool to keep a £60,000-a-week salary.

'It's not rocket science,' said the agent, who represents some of the biggest stars in the Premiership. 'If the established players who have achieved for the club see new ones come in enjoying a lot more money for doing not very much, it's obviously going to cause problems.' Upson and Neil have been injured and have made three appearances between them.

Curbishley is said to have 'given up' on some of his players. 'He often stays in his office with his assistants. Sometimes we see him, other times we don't,' said the insider. As for Magnusson, the players 'think he is clueless and a bit lost. He gives off the wrong messages and only talks to certain players in the dressing room - those he brought here. And he has accepted Curbishley's admission that they are already down.'

Curbishley said ahead of today's game that he does not fear the sack. 'Performances have to improve. We have to win as many as we can from our last 10 games.'

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    Also heard on the radio that Anton Ferdinand took a few days off before the Charlton game to "visit his sick Gran on the Isle of Wight". In fact he jetted off to a party in South Carolina...
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    Interesting addition on top of the Stewart Robson article is this a war of waords an accusations to try and destabilise CAFC thro Pardew? If he has any nouse AP will have prevented such a culture starting up at CAFC. Looking at the CAFC players vs WHU's I sense a different type of character and attitude
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    Sacking Curbs would be the wrong thing to do, WH are likely to get relegated and that might be the best thing for them - ship out the likes of Reo-Coker and Anton Ferdinand, sort out the gambling problem and allow Curbs to rebuild the squad to his manner, come back in a season or two.

    I wonder who the grass is...the clue is senior player...established international.

    Realistically that's either Sheringham or Roy Carroll, I can't think of any other players in their squad that could be called "established" internationals.
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    [quote][cite]Posted By: Latimer[/cite]Interesting addition on top of the Stewart Robson article is this a war of waords an accusations to try and destabilise CAFC thro Pardew? If he has any nouse AP will have prevented such a culture starting up at CAFC. Looking at the CAFC players vs WHU's I sense a different type of character and attitude[/quote]

    I don't see any wider conspiracy to unsettle CAFC just that West Ham are in melt down and that's a story in itself. Pardew may be partly to blame for allowing a drinking/gambling culture and for not shifting the squad on after a great couple of years and if so then he has to accept some measure of blame. Clearly things weren't happy in his reign. I thought the Robson article was quite balanced and apportioned responsibility fairly and logically. This article meearly confirms some the points he raised.

    Hopefully Pardew has learnt from his mistakes...
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    [cite]Posted By: Latimer[/cite]Looking at the CAFC players vs WHU's I sense a different type of character and attitude
    I think this is the most important point, and something we've got to remember is that Pards put together the WH squad and Curbs put together the CAFC squad. I can see WH's squad over the next few seasons becoming very Charlton-esque. Let's just hope that Pards has learnt from his mistakes.
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    I find this all almost unbelieveable and yet most of it appears to have a ring of truth about it.

    I wonder why some of it is coming out now and not just in the "gutter press". Could it be that the Egg man and Curbs have secretly approved the leaks to try and get the truth out?

    I ask the question, why would they not want this to come out?

    As the club is in huge hole, and with the fans on their backs, it will at a stroke turn the anger away from the current management and place it on the players and the former management. If many of the (gam)bling merchants are going to go at the end of the season then there is little to be lost by having them dragged through the dirt now and much to be gained in getting the fans behind the new guys?
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    "...there is little to be lost by having them dragged through the dirt now and much to be gained in getting the fans behind the new guys?"

    Except that their market valuations are likely to be going down as a result of this article.

    Would you sign any of these gamblers knowing the potential disruption in your changing room? Maybe you would at a discount. Eggert is going to take a financial caning from relegation, this article makes it potentially worse not better.
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    at the end of the day who gives a flying **** it is west ham not charlton
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    [cite]Posted By: Ledge Knows[/cite]at the end of the day who gives a flying **** it is west ham not charlton

    Hence being in the "not charlton related" catagory ;-)
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    [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]

    Would you sign any of these gamblers knowing the potential disruption in your changing room? Maybe you would at a discount. Eggert is going to take a financial caning from relegation, this article makes it potentially worse not better.

    Oh there will be plenty out there willing to sign them. Look at the Leeds players like Woodgate. He wound up at Real Madrid after all. West Ham will also need to offload them at the end of the season anyway, everybody will know that so they won't be able to tough it out for the best price.
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    Yes, maybe now the truth is coming out about the Spammers players certain people will stop peddling their filthy lies and innuendo about Pardew's private life being the reason for their implosion.
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    [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]
    I wonder who the grass is...the clue is senior player...established international.

    Realistically that's either Sheringham or Roy Carroll, I can't think of any other players in their squad that could be called "established" internationals.
    Can't see it being Sheringham - since he spends as much time nowadays either promoting poker or shilling for some of the London card rooms.
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    As Sheringham gets quoted further on and is no longer an international I presume the grass is Carroll then, who is 30 or so and a senior player and a regular international.
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    But I wonder who the player who won £38K is...the one whom Curbs no longer talks to...

    Given that Sheringham is no longer in the First Team but apparently was fit enough to play for the reserves vs Charlton last week, plus he is a gambler, I wonder...
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    Teddy plays cards at a venue in bexleyheath every thursday night. He parks his car on my mates driveway. Starts at about 7pm and sometimes does not leave till 3-4am. Thats 100% true....
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    What about the grass being Gabbidon. He's and established international and out of it due to injury.
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    Nah, its got to be Sheringham. He must be fuming that Curbs did not let him go during the window and then plays him for 90 mins in the reserves. He knows he's leaving anyway so has nothing to lose by distancing himself from the rest of the bling merchants by talking OTR to some of his mates in the press.
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    But surely that doesn't make sense, if as we've also surmised, he's the one cleaning out his team-mates at cards.
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    Yeah, but who knows who the card shark is? It might be someone else, all I know is that Sheringham is well known to be mates with a load of the sports writers (since he has known them for 20 years!) and is more likely to be talkative because of his age and the fact that Curbs has frozen him out.
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