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Pains me to say it but they made the best noise an away team has made at the valley for a long time, I don't think it's a bad idea and I would welcome it at charlton, but not with the 'image of ultras' but just a group to enhance our atmosphere0
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I must have been at a different game as I only remember them singing for a bit after they scored.0
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Nothing wrong with the intention of creating a better atmosphere, particularly as selhurst was always viewed as one of the poorest in the league but its all the plastic ultra nonsense that is so cringeworthy - the silly banners, foreign songs, flairs, dressing up in black? - how old are these people and do they not have any self respect? it's all a bit foreign really and isn't part of our (as in English) football culture and is as alien to me as being told to smile at the olympics in some sort of americanised nonsense. I'll smile when i want to, sing when i want to and bloody well wear what i want. I will not be trying to impersonate somebody from Italy.0
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Dan, if they'd called themselves something other than 'Ultras' and hadn't done all the silly things that you expect from immature adults would you feel differently?0
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I would.kings hill addick said:Dan, if they'd called themselves something other than 'Ultras' and hadn't done all the silly things that you expect from immature adults would you feel differently?
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That's a bit like asking if Rachel Riley didn't have a naughty little arse and a cheeky smile, would i feel differently about her. That is her and plastic nonsense is Palace.kings hill addick said:Dan, if they'd called themselves something other than 'Ultras' and hadn't done all the silly things that you expect from immature adults would you feel differently?
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I couldn't have put it better then myself.....spot on 1984.(1984) said:Fucking hell, someone tell me that article is a wind up.
They really do lack any kind of self awareness.
They genuinely believe that by having a load of spotty Surrey youths poorly imitating a longstanding Italian culture they are at the vanguard of some kind of massive cultural revolution. It's like watching a middle aged accountant from Dorking having a mid life crisis and deciding to become a Rastafarian.
You'd struggle to find a bigger bunch of utter fuckwits anywhere in the world.0 -
I think the concept of English football is fast becoming an anachronism.Foreign investors, managers ( the national team,until recently, being a point) and players are there for all to see.
It's even down to the boots & kits the players wear. The last bastion of Englishness, Umbro, is now owned by Nike and soon to be defunct.
English football will soon be by name only, if not already.0 -
Agreed - so what's the solution? Become an Italian Ultra? No thanks. I'm happy the way we are. I don't constantly pine for the way things were in the 70's or 80's. I liked it but things move on like the rave scene or the mods and rockers in the 60's. Things happen spontaneously and this rip off of something that is from Italy or wherever is a contrived load of nonsense for deluded muppets.Redskin said:I think the concept of English football is fast becoming an anachronism.Foreign investors, managers ( the national team,until recently, being a point) and players are there for all to see.
It's even down to the boots & kits the players wear. The last bastion of Englishness, Umbro, is now owned by Nike and soon to be defunct.
English football will soon be by name only, if not already.0 -
I agree Dan, it's contrived nonsense, but so what? Let them play.
As you said, you're happy with the way we are. That's all that matters...0 -
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agreed - just passing comment.0
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Its different though BD. You're talking about what you like NOW. Its hard to relate to what is appealing / enjoyable when you are more than twice the age of those involved.Bexley Dan said:
Agreed - so what's the solution? Become an Italian Ultra? No thanks. I'm happy the way we are. I don't constantly pine for the way things were in the 70's or 80's. I liked it but things move on like the rave scene or the mods and rockers in the 60's. Things happen spontaneously and this rip off of something that is from Italy or wherever is a contrived load of nonsense for deluded muppets.Redskin said:I think the concept of English football is fast becoming an anachronism.Foreign investors, managers ( the national team,until recently, being a point) and players are there for all to see.
It's even down to the boots & kits the players wear. The last bastion of Englishness, Umbro, is now owned by Nike and soon to be defunct.
English football will soon be by name only, if not already.
I know the things i liked about going to games when i was 16/17 are different to what i like now.
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true AFKA and i dare say that my 12 year old and his mates would be right up for a bit of banner and smoke flare and all that stuff but these aren't 16/17 year olds. The bloke writing that 'piece' was articulated and sounded a lot older than 16/17. If he hadn't formed the ultras i reckon he'd have started a religious cult.0
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Bexley Dan said:
true AFKA and i dare say that my 12 year old and his mates would be right up for a bit of banner and smoke flare and all that stuff but these aren't 16/17 year olds. The bloke writing that 'piece' was articulate and sounded a lot older than 16/17. If he hadn't formed the ultras i reckon he'd have started a religious cult.
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"Happy with the way we are".
What is it about the match day experience at the Valley that 'we' are actually happy about?0 -
drawnablank said:
"Happy with the way we are".
What is it about the match day experience at the Valley that 'we' are actually happy about?
Er, we're watching our team play football.
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A drummer banging his drum, and a crowd chanting CAFC.drawnablank said:"Happy with the way we are".
What is it about the match day experience at the Valley that 'we' are actually happy about?
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There are many many things that have impoved in the English game over the past few decades, it is now a lot safer to go to matches, you wouldn't feel worried about taking a young person along with you. However, the one thing that has died are the atmospheres around the grounds. Probably due to how expensive an activiy attending football is now. It is clearly a middle class thing and when you get 40,000 middle class people in a stadium in the Premier league chances are here won't be a lot of singing.Bexley Dan said:
Agreed - so what's the solution? Become an Italian Ultra? No thanks. I'm happy the way we are. I don't constantly pine for the way things were in the 70's or 80's. I liked it but things move on like the rave scene or the mods and rockers in the 60's. Things happen spontaneously and this rip off of something that is from Italy or wherever is a contrived load of nonsense for deluded muppets.Redskin said:I think the concept of English football is fast becoming an anachronism.Foreign investors, managers ( the national team,until recently, being a point) and players are there for all to see.
It's even down to the boots & kits the players wear. The last bastion of Englishness, Umbro, is now owned by Nike and soon to be defunct.
English football will soon be by name only, if not already.
You can mention Italian ultras in a derogatory way (in my experince having met a number of them they can be great fun and it makes for a much more enjoyable experience waching games) however we only have to look to Germany once again. Generally there isn't much violence at their games, attending football isn't ridiculously expensive and the atmoshpere is great. I think I'm right in saying that a certain percentage of each club there is fan owned and I think that is where the differences between our football and theirs lie. They slowly built up again after all the financial turmoil they had in the late 90s whereas we have sold our clubs (and our souls?) to foreign investors looking for a quick injection of money for success in the short term at the expense of actually enjoying a day at the football.0 -
the half time kiosk servicedrawnablank said:"Happy with the way we are".
What is it about the match day experience at the Valley that 'we' are actually happy about?0 -
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@Redskin
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exactly - atmosphere is always great but as you get a bit older, wetting yourself about what the opposition or our team think of us really isn't that important. The atmosphere fluctuates naturally, as it should do.Redskin said:drawnablank said:"Happy with the way we are".
What is it about the match day experience at the Valley that 'we' are actually happy about?
Er, we're watching our team play football.0 -
You just did...............drawnablank said:@Redskin
I'm not even going to waste my time with you
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I hate Palace. I really dislike them but I'm not going to go into all that, I just want to get across my point that I'm not a fan of them at all. However, the start if that article can't helped but be agreed with; Simon Jordon is a pr1ck and this lot have done their best to overcome him. They have their clubs interest at heart and love their club. That's the beauty of football, what united us all as football fans. They want to create a better atmosphere and promote their club in a way that shows them to be passionate. That's a good thing.
Now, to reiterate my feelings, it's was nice seeing their plastic ultras who were threatening and 'safe' behind police lines get beat "off the field" on Floyd Road before the game a few weeks ago. They really didn't expect that. And I'm just talking about the coppers I saw laying in to them. How people slag off our brave boys in blue I don't know :-)
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Palace Ultra's as in Always Ultra. Bunch of sanitary napkins.0
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Why can we not just draw a line under this once and for all...
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They were nowhere near as loud as Leicester, who sang throughout. The 'ultras' didn't even sing until they scored. Jumped up little c***s...
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Don't understand the atmosphere love'in at the valley, didn't think they were that special. Plenty others have made more noise0
