I'm all for it but what happens if the standing area sells out? The rest of us are then forced to sit down by what I'm sure will be much tighter stewarding
"The majority of away fans obviously want to stand, as they spend the vast majority of the time doing so. Either some way has to be found to stop them, or some form of safe standing needs to be introduced. The current solution of allowing fans to use seated areas for standing cannot continue forever, it is only a matter of time before some people get seriously injured, especially at ground where there is a high rake in the seating area (e.g. Newcastle where the away fans are high in the top tier, it is only a matter of time before a couple of people fall forward and there is a cascade effect)."
The fact that 'at some point someone might get hurt standing in a seating area' simply cannot be used as an argument for standing, 'safe' or otherwise. The fact is, no one has ever been killed from standing in a seating area (as far as I am aware). No one is going to change the law based on maybes like this. You claims about falling forward are more of an argument for flatter stadiums rather than standing or sitting.
No surprise that the likes of Peterboro, Brentford and Wimbledon want it. Saves them spending money on seating when they already have standing in place now.
Signed and sent to friends. It works abroad and it all looks pretty safe to me. It wasn't standing that killed people at Hillsborough, it was too many people in one area.
It might just be a massive coincidence, but they have standing and we don't. They have significant rises in trouble at grounds, we don't.
Clearly there are, potentially, other factors but.......
but nothing. They've always had standing, it's not suddenly been introduced, so therefore a rise can't be down to standing. The fact that a German MP used Hertha Berlin as an argument against standing, when their ground has no standing areas tells you everything you need to know, even those staunchly against standing can't find an example of where it's contributed to problems significantly.
you understand, I guess, that German standing is not like the old Valley, where you could walk round most of the ground, and where away fans could infiltrate the Covered End? Away fans are carefully segregated, standing or otherwise. I hope you don't wish to suggest that people who prefer to stand are more likely to cause trouble? As for your claim that we don't have any crowd trouble, I suspect Rio Ferdinand would beg to differ with you.
hope you don't wish to suggest that people who prefer to stand are more likely to cause trouble?
As for your claim that we don't have any crowd trouble, I suspect Rio Ferdinand would beg to differ with you.
No, but I suspect that those that want to cause trouble are more likely to want to stand.
I said Germany has rises in trouble. I was talking about the statistical trends, not the actual numbers of incidents.
I'm not against standing, I just think that if we are to get it approved we need to be open to all discussions both about the benefits to those that want to stand and the obvious objections from those that don't want it.
@KHA: I'm not against standing, I just think that if we are to get it approved we need to be open to all discussions both about the benefits to those that want to stand and the obvious objections from those that don't want it.
Bring it on. I trust it will be a discussion based on facts rather than conjecture and prejudice.
The whole Germany reference is a complete red-herring in this case. They had safe standing already, trouble has risen recently, both at grounds with and without safe standing. Some of the worst examples of trouble have been at grounds that don't have any standing areas. Therefore, the trouble in Germany has absolutely nothing to do with standing at matches. In many ways football mirrors society. We've had economic woes, having to bail out other countries, Germany have had to bail out others more than any one. That means society as a whole isn't as happy as it was and anywhere that people go to vent their stress will see a rise in, and exaggeration of any troubles it may have had before.
Same here with abuse of players. Have the grounds suddenly changed? Of course not, what's happening is that everybody is feeling the economic pinch whilst players are getting paid more and more. The connection between fans and players becomes more and more broken, fans no longer see players as normal people, but as something to be refiled and attacked.
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The fact that 'at some point someone might get hurt standing in a seating area' simply cannot be used as an argument for standing, 'safe' or otherwise. The fact is, no one has ever been killed from standing in a seating area (as far as I am aware). No one is going to change the law based on maybes like this. You claims about falling forward are more of an argument for flatter stadiums rather than standing or sitting.
I guess if we had standing areas if would mean there'd be less seats to throw on the pitch.
bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20708310
bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20711610
Clearly there are, potentially, other factors but.......
Sounds great
you understand, I guess, that German standing is not like the old Valley, where you could walk round most of the ground, and where away fans could infiltrate the Covered End? Away fans are carefully segregated, standing or otherwise. I hope you don't wish to suggest that people who prefer to stand are more likely to cause trouble? As for your claim that we don't have any crowd trouble, I suspect Rio Ferdinand would beg to differ with you.
I said Germany has rises in trouble. I was talking about the statistical trends, not the actual numbers of incidents.
I'm not against standing, I just think that if we are to get it approved we need to be open to all discussions both about the benefits to those that want to stand and the obvious objections from those that don't want it.
@KHA: I'm not against standing, I just think that if we are to get it approved we need to be open to all discussions both about the benefits to those that want to stand and the obvious objections from those that don't want it.
Bring it on. I trust it will be a discussion based on facts rather than conjecture and prejudice.
Same here with abuse of players. Have the grounds suddenly changed? Of course not, what's happening is that everybody is feeling the economic pinch whilst players are getting paid more and more. The connection between fans and players becomes more and more broken, fans no longer see players as normal people, but as something to be refiled and attacked.