To clarify my earlier comment: I am not in any way expressing any opposition to the idea of a black chairman if he/she happened to be the right person. I just happen to think that the number of black chairmen in the league is an utterly meaningless statistic.
So if there was a magazine called The Anglo-Saxon for instance concerning white girls hair dos it would not be stamped on by the race industry?
Take out Only and we may come close to agreement, non whites have been convicted of racial crimes against whites, therefore in the race industry not only white people are racist.
To clarify my earlier comment: I am not in any way expressing any opposition to the idea of a black chairman if he/she happened to be the right person. I just happen to think that the number of black chairmen in the league is an utterly meaningless statistic.
To clarify my earlier comment: I am not in any way expressing any opposition to the idea of a black chairman if he/she happened to be the right person. I just happen to think that the number of black chairmen in the league is an utterly meaningless statistic.
Spot on.
But it wouldn't be meaningless would it. Was the election of the first black President meaningless ? Would the appointment of the first black Chief Constable be meaningless ? I could go on. Every time ground is broken with high profile appointments of black people then perceptions are changed and we move hopefully towards a future where the colour of your skin genuinely is meaningless.
To clarify my earlier comment: I am not in any way expressing any opposition to the idea of a black chairman if he/she happened to be the right person. I just happen to think that the number of black chairmen in the league is an utterly meaningless statistic.
Spot on.
But it wouldn't be meaningless would it. Was the election of the first black President meaningless ? Would the appointment of the first black Chief Constable be meaningless ? I could go on. Every time ground is broken with high profile appointments of black people then perceptions are changed and we move hopefully towards a future where the colour of your skin genuinely is meaningless.
Sam, why the picture of Man Utd players? What's that got to do with Elliot.
Cos the article is about racism in football in general as the latter part of the title indicates. The fact that it's 2012 and only now is a club in english football about to announce the first black chairman is one of the key points I'm trying to make, how far have the likes of Kick it Out, Show Racism the Red Card really come? The fact that prior to Elliott (utmost apologies for forgetting the extra t) not one chairman in the game has been black is shocking in my opinion and additionally something that has surprised most I've told, and in doing so made them question the extent to which racism does still exist in the game right here in England.
But why should a person become chairmen of a football club just because they are black? And how many people are chairmen of football clubs just because they are white? I think it would be more shocking if someone was made a chairman of a club just because of their colour rather than what they can add to the club. FWIW, I think Paul Elliott would be great for our club because of who he is, what skills he can bring and not what colour he is!
That's not what I'm saying. Clearly he deserves the post regardless of race, I'm not saying the league should start having to fill a quota of black chairmen or anything along those lines; race should not be a factor. But my point is that clearly, and sadly, it is when it's 2012 and only now has the first black chairman been selected, and that is what I'm trying to bring to people's attention. As ShootersHillGuru said because racism does still exist it IS meaningful when the first black president, chief constable, chairman etc whatever position is elected as it shows progress is being made.
Have you bothered to stop and consider how many football club chairmen are appointed or even selected as opposed to being self-appointed? I would be willing to bet 90% of them are chairman by virtue of being the largest single shareholder. And let's face it, how many people are going to spend millions on buying a club - which is essentially a hobby - and then delegate the responsibility of chairmanship?
What you are seeing is a reflection of how few football clubs are owned by black people. Now why is that "shocking"?
I think the problem is this. Nobody believes Chris Powell was appointed Charlton manager because he was black. But some people believe that if Paul Elliott becomes Charlton chairman it will be in part because he's black - it will certainly be because the work he has done to show he might be a suitable candidate has largely been around anti-racism. That work is laudable, but without it he would not be considered a suitable candidate in my opinion. It may demonstrate that he has skills which can be transferred to other areas. It may not.
Paul was a very good footballer, but sadly and through no fault of himself did not feature for very long in a Charlton shirt. As such he would rank fairly low down in a list of modern Charlton heroes, compared say to Richard Rufus. He's not an obvious choice based on his playing career at The Valley or his business experience.
I don't have anything against Paul, but I fear he would be here for the money rather than because of a deep and longstanding personal commitment to CAFC. That is supported by the stand-off over salary which I understand is the background to the media speculation and delay. He would be an employee of the current regime and presumably therefore expected to do their bidding, not be a leader himself. That is a peculiar position for a chairman to be in. It smacks to me of window-dressing.
By the way, if we really want a former player as chairman, someone who is trusted and revered by supporters, and who has demonstrated both business and communication skills, I'd be looking at Garry Nelson. I suspect he'd come rather cheaper, too.
By the way, if we really want a former player as chairman, someone who is trusted and revered by supporters, and who has demonstrated both business and communication skills, I'd be looking at Garry Nelson. I suspect he'd come rather cheaper, too.
I think you are being harsh on Elliott with regards to his commitment to CAFC. His involvement with the Trust points to it being more than just being an ex-player.
Nor should expecting to be paid what he sees as a fair wage be held against him.
Yes he would be an employee so different from most Chairman but that does not automatically make him a puppet as is the inference I take from your statement.
I do have my doubts over the motives of Slater/jimenez in this situation but I don't think PE is anyone's patsy as his holding out for more money, if true, shows.
I'm cautious in my judgement of Paul because I don't know him, but I'm told he is basing his request on what Part-time Prothero is being paid. Pro rata that's about six times what they initially put the COO post out at (£50k). That can't be sensible.
firstly he remembers hearing the Beatles play at the valley whilst he played football in the park … and secondly that he lived in nelson Mandela (house) flats which is next to the valley
I've not listened but it sounds like the ball heading may have affected him. Everyone knows The Beatles never played at The Valley and they split just after his 6th birthday in any case. Nelson Mandela House was where The Trotters lived (Del boy).
I've not listened but it sounds like the ball heading may have effected him. Everyone knows The Beatles never played at The Valley and they split just after his 6th birthday in any case. Nelson Mandela House was where The Trotters lived (Del boy).
Even more bizarre is his claim that he made his debut against Palace at the Valley under Mike Bailey.
He did make his debut against the Nigels but it was at Selhurst under Alan Mullery.
firstly he remembers hearing the Beatles play at the valley whilst he played football in the park … and secondly that he lived in nelson Mandela (house) flats which is next to the valley
My guess is he is referring to the Who gig, which at that point was the loudest concert ever played. I don'r think it's unreasonable to think the DJ may have played some Beatles music at some point during the day.
I've not listened but it sounds like the ball heading may have effected him. Everyone knows The Beatles never played at The Valley and they split just after his 6th birthday in any case. Nelson Mandela House was where The Trotters lived (Del boy).
Even more bizarre is his claim that he made his debut against Palace at the Valley under Mike Bailey.
He did make his debut against the Nigels but it was at Selhurst under Alan Mullery.
I think he's right about that. I remember him playing with Paul Walsh at The Valley and they were sold to Luton in 1983. Lennie was our first manager at Selhurst. Mullery managed us at The Valley pre Selhurst.
I've not listened but it sounds like the ball heading may have effected him. Everyone knows The Beatles never played at The Valley and they split just after his 6th birthday in any case. Nelson Mandela House was where The Trotters lived (Del boy).
Even more bizarre is his claim that he made his debut against Palace at the Valley under Mike Bailey.
He did make his debut against the Nigels but it was at Selhurst under Alan Mullery.
I think he's right about that. I remember him playing with Paul Walsh at The Valley and they were sold to Luton in 1983. Lennie was our first manager at Selhurst. Mullery managed us at The Valley pre Selhurst.
Sorry I should have been more explicit.
He made his debut away to Palace when Mullery was our manager. He never played in the first time under Bailey.
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So if there was a magazine called The Anglo-Saxon for instance concerning white girls hair dos it would not be stamped on by the race industry?
What you are seeing is a reflection of how few football clubs are owned by black people. Now why is that "shocking"?
Paul was a very good footballer, but sadly and through no fault of himself did not feature for very long in a Charlton shirt. As such he would rank fairly low down in a list of modern Charlton heroes, compared say to Richard Rufus. He's not an obvious choice based on his playing career at The Valley or his business experience.
I don't have anything against Paul, but I fear he would be here for the money rather than because of a deep and longstanding personal commitment to CAFC. That is supported by the stand-off over salary which I understand is the background to the media speculation and delay. He would be an employee of the current regime and presumably therefore expected to do their bidding, not be a leader himself. That is a peculiar position for a chairman to be in. It smacks to me of window-dressing.
I think you are being harsh on Elliott with regards to his commitment to CAFC. His involvement with the Trust points to it being more than just being an ex-player.
Nor should expecting to be paid what he sees as a fair wage be held against him.
Yes he would be an employee so different from most Chairman but that does not automatically make him a puppet as is the inference I take from your statement.
I do have my doubts over the motives of Slater/jimenez in this situation but I don't think PE is anyone's patsy as his holding out for more money, if true, shows.
I've said before I think throwing about salary figures is wrong and weakens the point you're trying to make but I know you disagree.
firstly he remembers hearing the Beatles play at the valley whilst he played football in the park …
and secondly that he lived in nelson Mandela (house) flats which is next to the valley
Everyone knows The Beatles never played at The Valley and they split just after his 6th birthday in any case.
Nelson Mandela House was where The Trotters lived (Del boy).
He did make his debut against the Nigels but it was at Selhurst under Alan Mullery.
My guess is he is referring to the Who gig, which at that point was the loudest concert ever played. I don'r think it's unreasonable to think the DJ may have played some Beatles music at some point during the day.
Lennie was our first manager at Selhurst.
Mullery managed us at The Valley pre Selhurst.
He made his debut away to Palace when Mullery was our manager. He never played in the first time under Bailey.