During 2008/09 attendances were inflated on board level instructions to impress potential investors. This is done by increasing the number of comps recorded to reach 20,000. I believe the same may have happened yesterday.
Never seen a problem with basing attendances on tickets sold rather than through-the-turnstile as the club gets the revenue. Comps are a different matter, particularly if those given free tickets don't turn up! No different to printing tickets for all unsold seats, giving them away in Woolwich market on Saturday lunctime and announcing the attendance as 27,000!!!
Never seen a problem with basing attendances on tickets sold rather than through-the-turnstile as the club gets the revenue. Comps are a different matter, particularly if those given free tickets don't turn up! No different to printing tickets for all unsold seats, giving them away in Woolwich market on Saturday lunctime and announcing the attendance as 27,000!!!
I agree, unfortunately "tickets issued" is wide open to such abuse, plus the evidence suggests the actual usage of comps is under 50 per cent when they are issued to the community trust, etc. I doubt if there was 15,000 in the ground yesterday at the very most. We also have very large numbers of season ticket holders who don't attend consistently. Given the weather yesterday I'd have expect 2,000 of them to be missing, maybe more.
It's funny what airman says because that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the attendance yesterday
It's also "funny" that he wasn't shouting about it back in 2008/9. I wonder why?
Seriously, not happy with this constant sniping at the club which everyone takes as gospel. The fella was binned after all, so it wouldn't be a massive leap to think he had a grudge.
Just my opinion of course. I'm not one of those who pretends to know more than I do - which is f*ck all (like most on here).
During 2008/09 attendances were inflated on board level instructions to impress potential investors. This is done by increasing the number of comps recorded to reach 20,000. I believe the same may have happened yesterday.
That's actually quite a serious accusation in my view.
It's funny what airman says because that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the attendance yesterday
It's also "funny" that he wasn't shouting about it back in 2008/9. I wonder why?
Seriously, not happy with this constant sniping at the club which everyone takes as gospel. The fella was binned after all, so it wouldn't be a massive leap to think he had a grudge.
Just my opinion of course. I'm not one of those who pretends to know more than I do - which is f*ck all (like most on here).
It's funny what airman says because that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the attendance yesterday
It's also "funny" that he wasn't shouting about it back in 2008/9. I wonder why?
Seriously, not happy with this constant sniping at the club which everyone takes as gospel. The fella was binned after all, so it wouldn't be a massive leap to think he had a grudge.
Just my opinion of course. I'm not one of those who pretends to know more than I do - which is f*ck all (like most on here).
This.
Agree, stinks of sour grapes to me, but of course just my opinion.
Where is the sniping ? It's common knowledge to all of us that for years our attendances have been exaggerated by the use of comps.
Nothing wrong with that, though it means the announced attendance a bit of a farce. I'd happy fill the ground with kiddie comps every game to use up empty seats.
Can understand including paid ticket holding no shows in the attendance, including non attending freebies is stretching it a bit though.
Interestingly, my family tried to by an extra ticket during the week around them, but found there were none available, which seemed odd as its.normally a sparcely populated area. Turned up yesterday and there was hardly anyone around them.
Trouble is you accuse Airman of having a grudge and therefore being biased but then defend your own stance with the always lame "it's my opinion". So you can have an opinion but if Airman or someone else has a different view they "have a grudge" or are "biased"
Off-it, you also said "everyone takes (what AB says) as gospel" when quite clearly you and many others don't., even on this thread. Why do you have to pretend that you are some lone voice in the wilderness who is the only one who can see the truth?
Even people who sympathise with Airman being sacked and recognised what he has done for the Club, including me, disagree with him on some issues and some of his statements and have said so on here.
Many others just don't buy any of his views on the the way the club is run and have constantly said so.
Seems do be a big element of groupthink here. You take the stance that the board are great and so if there is any suggestion that they are less than perfect or the situation is not ideal not just that view but the person saying it must be undermined so what they say can be ignored.
And before you wade into me I'll state my view. Again.
Which is based mainly on what I have read on here and not on "inside" info.
1. I think everything was going well until around March at which time Kevin Cash decided to pull his financial feed to the Club. Reasons unknown.
That lead to a summer of uncertainty for the directors and Powell leading to little spending on new players, certainly less than the previous summer.
It also meant that Varney and Kavanagh fell out with Slater and Jimenez. PV and SK left on bad terms (evidenced by minimal mention of their departures and the lack of thanks).
2. With the departure of KC, Jimenez became the main man as proved by his increased shareholder as stated on the OS.
3. TJ has an uneasy relationship with Powell which even in public Powell has said he "has to manage" but he hasn't sacked Powell as some said he would despite having plenty of opportunities both in the season before last and this season after defeats to Watford and when we were in the bottom three for example. So in my view if he wasn't going to sack him then he won't sack him now or in the near future.
4. While the lost of Cash's money was a blow Jimenez has kept on pumping money which is greatly to his credit. We didn't flash the cash but we didn't sell our major assets either. Then again we didn't buy anyone but Wilson.
5. In recent weeks we have seen three premiership players come in on loan. Now seabourne and Hulse weren't even in their teams squads so may well have come cheap or even free. Frimpong? Would be on big wages by our standards but we don't know how much of them we are paying.
6. So the worst case scenarios of Seth Plum and Airman Brown have not come to pass. Which I didn't think they would.
Or at least they've not come to pass YET.
7. So where are we know?
Not in admin or with Powell sacked but not challenging either.
The board are communicating even less than last season. Slater has gone silent, TJ always was and the new vice chairman Prothero is almost invisable. So what? Does that really matter? Yes, it does but that's is not the key issue now.
8. So the what is the key issue?
For me it is that TJ is still putting money in but where is it coming from?
My gut feeling is that he has found, or is very confident that he will soon find, other backers to fill the gap left by Kevin Cash.
Will we every find out if that is the case? most likely not just as we never had it confirmed that Cash was the true owner.
Personally, I am unhappy with the way people like Kav where forced out, unhappy with the lack of communication and honesty with fans but I'm not worrying that the administrators will be calling at SE7 any time soon.
With luck Chris will keep us improving and we can dream of the play-offs this season.
Long term the ownership and finance needs to be sorted out, if it hasn't been already.
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The STs are counted every game.
So it was actually only 20,010.
Seriously, not happy with this constant sniping at the club which everyone takes as gospel. The fella was binned after all, so it wouldn't be a massive leap to think he had a grudge.
Just my opinion of course. I'm not one of those who pretends to know more than I do - which is f*ck all (like most on here).
But, so it appears, we couldn't trust the previous board to declare the right crowd either - only we didn't know that at the time.
Priceless.
Nothing to see here - move on.
Nothing wrong with that, though it means the announced attendance a bit of a farce. I'd happy fill the ground with kiddie comps every game to use up empty seats.
Can understand including paid ticket holding no shows in the attendance, including non attending freebies is stretching it a bit though.
Interestingly, my family tried to by an extra ticket during the week around them, but found there were none available, which seemed odd as its.normally a sparcely populated area. Turned up yesterday and there was hardly anyone around them.
Off-it, you also said "everyone takes (what AB says) as gospel" when quite clearly you and many others don't., even on this thread. Why do you have to pretend that you are some lone voice in the wilderness who is the only one who can see the truth?
Even people who sympathise with Airman being sacked and recognised what he has done for the Club, including me, disagree with him on some issues and some of his statements and have said so on here.
Many others just don't buy any of his views on the the way the club is run and have constantly said so.
Seems do be a big element of groupthink here. You take the stance that the board are great and so if there is any suggestion that they are less than perfect or the situation is not ideal not just that view but the person saying it must be undermined so what they say can be ignored.
And before you wade into me I'll state my view. Again.
Which is based mainly on what I have read on here and not on "inside" info.
1. I think everything was going well until around March at which time Kevin Cash decided to pull his financial feed to the Club. Reasons unknown.
That lead to a summer of uncertainty for the directors and Powell leading to little spending on new players, certainly less than the previous summer.
It also meant that Varney and Kavanagh fell out with Slater and Jimenez. PV and SK left on bad terms (evidenced by minimal mention of their departures and the lack of thanks).
2. With the departure of KC, Jimenez became the main man as proved by his increased shareholder as stated on the OS.
3. TJ has an uneasy relationship with Powell which even in public Powell has said he "has to manage" but he hasn't sacked Powell as some said he would despite having plenty of opportunities both in the season before last and this season after defeats to Watford and when we were in the bottom three for example. So in my view if he wasn't going to sack him then he won't sack him now or in the near future.
4. While the lost of Cash's money was a blow Jimenez has kept on pumping money which is greatly to his credit. We didn't flash the cash but we didn't sell our major assets either. Then again we didn't buy anyone but Wilson.
5. In recent weeks we have seen three premiership players come in on loan. Now seabourne and Hulse weren't even in their teams squads so may well have come cheap or even free. Frimpong? Would be on big wages by our standards but we don't know how much of them we are paying.
6. So the worst case scenarios of Seth Plum and Airman Brown have not come to pass. Which I didn't think they would.
Or at least they've not come to pass YET.
7. So where are we know?
Not in admin or with Powell sacked but not challenging either.
The board are communicating even less than last season. Slater has gone silent, TJ always was and the new vice chairman Prothero is almost invisable. So what? Does that really matter? Yes, it does but that's is not the key issue now.
8. So the what is the key issue?
For me it is that TJ is still putting money in but where is it coming from?
My gut feeling is that he has found, or is very confident that he will soon find, other backers to fill the gap left by Kevin Cash.
Will we every find out if that is the case? most likely not just as we never had it confirmed that Cash was the true owner.
Personally, I am unhappy with the way people like Kav where forced out, unhappy with the lack of communication and honesty with fans but I'm not worrying that the administrators will be calling at SE7 any time soon.
With luck Chris will keep us improving and we can dream of the play-offs this season.
Long term the ownership and finance needs to be sorted out, if it hasn't been already.