Worked with his disabled daughter years ago. He gave her lots of support and I don't get the hate on here. Squeezes every last cent out of media for many ordinary people who by misfortune are thrust into spotlight.
Worked with his disabled daughter years ago. He gave her lots of support and I don't get the hate on here. Squeezes every last cent out of media for many ordinary people who by misfortune are thrust into spotlight.
Worked with his disabled daughter years ago. He gave her lots of support and I don't get the hate on here. Squeezes every last cent out of media for many ordinary people who by misfortune are thrust into spotlight.
I agree - is often seen around where I / he lives. Always comes across as fairly "normal"
What I want to know is how on earth you prove anything after such a long period of time? Can you really secure convictions based on what amounts to the vague recollections of people from, in some cases, 40 years ago? I'm not for one moment condoning any sort of sexual misconduct but I worry about how this will be resolved.
Not to labour this point, as I have already commented on it in the past, but the abuse I suffered is anything but 'vague' in my mind. In fact, I could still probably quote you, in detail, every single second of every single instance. That doesn't, of course, make it any more provable in a court of law - just felt it needed to be said.
What I want to know is how on earth you prove anything after such a long period of time? Can you really secure convictions based on what amounts to the vague recollections of people from, in some cases, 40 years ago? I'm not for one moment condoning any sort of sexual misconduct but I worry about how this will be resolved.
Not to labour this point, as I have already commented on it in the past, but the abuse I suffered is anything but 'vague' in my mind. In fact, I could still probably quote you, in detail, every single second of every single instance. That doesn't, of course, make it any more provable in a court of law - just felt it needed to be said.
Not necessarily talking about the victims recollections. I was more thinking of witnesses, both for defence and prosecution. Unlikely to be any forensic evidence so it boils down to witnesses and the word of the victim (and accused).
What I want to know is how on earth you prove anything after such a long period of time? Can you really secure convictions based on what amounts to the vague recollections of people from, in some cases, 40 years ago? I'm not for one moment condoning any sort of sexual misconduct but I worry about how this will be resolved.
Not to labour this point, as I have already commented on it in the past, but the abuse I suffered is anything but 'vague' in my mind. In fact, I could still probably quote you, in detail, every single second of every single instance. That doesn't, of course, make it any more provable in a court of law - just felt it needed to be said.
Not necessarily talking about the victims recollections. I was more thinking of witnesses, both for defence and prosecution. Unlikely to be any forensic evidence so it boils down to witnesses and the word of the victim (and accused).
This is why the police look to arrest suspects as often and as soon as possible, to gain DNA samples, arrest are made often on the flimsiest of evidence. That is why the accused need to be protected from the press coverage that follows this sort of thing until the matter has been tested in court. DNA is important because of the frequently serial nature of this type of crime
The police act in the best interests of the public by using their powers as fully as possible, I have no problem with that but it is just an investigation at that stage. He is now being tried in the media something that will affect him for the rest of his life guilty or not.
none of this sits very easily with me. Thirty years after the alledged incidents and it is one persons word against another. Why, as a victim, would you suddenly come forward now? If it was a traumatic incident that you would sooner forget would others coming forward really encourage you to come forward also? If however you have such a strong sense of injustice about it surely you would have come forward earlier irrespective of others now coming forward? I'm not saying some of these incidents didn't happen but I'm really concerned that there is a lot of jumping on the bandwagon from those who think they can make a quick buck or two out of it.
Some people seem to think hes guilty based on the fact that they dont like him.
On that basis, the likes of Ken "Champagne Socialist" Livingstone, George Galloway and Billy Bragg should all be banged up indefinitely, with no chance of parole!
none of this sits very easily with me. Thirty years after the alledged incidents and it is one persons word against another. Why, as a victim, would you suddenly come forward now? If it was a traumatic incident that you would sooner forget would others coming forward really encourage you to come forward also? If however you have such a strong sense of injustice about it surely you would have come forward earlier irrespective of others now coming forward? I'm not saying some of these incidents didn't happen but I'm really concerned that there is a lot of jumping on the bandwagon from those who think they can make a quick buck or two out of it.
That's pure speculation. In many cases, the victims did come forward but were ignored or a decision was made not to prosecute.
none of this sits very easily with me. Thirty years after the alledged incidents and it is one persons word against another. Why, as a victim, would you suddenly come forward now? If it was a traumatic incident that you would sooner forget would others coming forward really encourage you to come forward also? If however you have such a strong sense of injustice about it surely you would have come forward earlier irrespective of others now coming forward? I'm not saying some of these incidents didn't happen but I'm really concerned that there is a lot of jumping on the bandwagon from those who think they can make a quick buck or two out of it.
Not being funny mate but that is just so wrong.
What if the victim were a child and was traumatised? What if they did not understand what was happening until years later? It simply does not matter how long it takes to report it, allegations have to be taken seriously, surely no one would expect any less. The problem is that it is is in the public arena and it should not be until the allegations have been tested in a court. It's not perfect but it is the only validity test we have.
Some people seem to think hes guilty based on the fact that they dont like him.
On that basis, the likes of Ken "Champagne Socialist" Livingstone, George Galloway and Billy Bragg should all be banged up indefinitely, with no chance of parole!
; )
I'll leave that to GH, a box of matches and a can of petrol.
Some people seem to think hes guilty based on the fact that they dont like him.
On that basis, the likes of Ken "Champagne Socialist" Livingstone, George Galloway and Billy Bragg should all be banged up indefinitely, with no chance of parole!
; )
I'll leave that to GH, a box of matches and a can of petrol.
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The police act in the best interests of the public by using their powers as fully as possible, I have no problem with that but it is just an investigation at that stage. He is now being tried in the media something that will affect him for the rest of his life guilty or not.
Some people seem to think hes guilty based on the fact that they dont like him.
; )
What if the victim were a child and was traumatised? What if they did not understand what was happening until years later? It simply does not matter how long it takes to report it, allegations have to be taken seriously, surely no one would expect any less. The problem is that it is is in the public arena and it should not be until the allegations have been tested in a court. It's not perfect but it is the only validity test we have.
:P