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Tube Strike

SolidgoneSolidgone
in General Charlton
I was hoping that there would just be a limited service on the Jubilee line today to get me from Kilburn to North Greenwich. But not a train in sight. Not a chance getting there now by bus due to heavy traffic. Looks like CAFC Player job for me which will be my first listening to a home match.
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    boggzyboggzy
    Overslept... I'm just leaving Victoria for Lewisham by bus, then bus from there.. may well turn back depending on traffic. As I haven't even bought a ticket yet, I might just make the second half!!!
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    Richard JRichard J
    In the same boat,need to get to Winchmore Hill for a gathering this afternoon.Would have been challenging even with the Tube running,without it impossible.
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    cafcnick1992cafcnick1992
    Sack all the drivers. Greedy bastards. Then they'd stop trying to ruin everyones boxing day
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    chilhamchilham
    The poor mites really are paupers on £45K a year.....and the ASLEF General Secretary Mick Whelan is on about £90K
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    Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    Did you guys make the game in the end?
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    Robbo on the wingRobbo on the wing
    Good luck to them.
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    cafcvfrcafcvfr
    I am very left-wing politically and am pro unions and pro strikes in the correct circumstances, but to me this is just greedy and unjustifiable.
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    guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    I think it's more a case of not wanting to work on Boxing Day and asking for something they know that they won't get. Therefore they can spend the time at home.
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    TelMc32TelMc32
    Enough! Do as the trains do. Make it a non-work day and they can have their day off & we all know where we stand!! No messing around...stop holding everyone to ransom!
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    randy andyrandy andy
    But making it a nonworking day would cripple all the London stores with sales. Hundreds of millions are spent in London on boxing day. All those people at the shops have to work, and for far less than tube drivers. Why should they be a special case? Why should every business and every customer in London change for them? There are millions of shift workers in this country, many will have to work many public holidays and/or unsociable hours, most of them for less than tube drivers. So I ask again, why are they so special?

    They seem to believe themselves both hard done by and untouchable, the first isn't true and the second comes closer to not being true with each year that computer automation advances and therefore becomes cheaper.
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    sam3110sam3110
    Can't wait for some of these drivers to get their comeuppance when a computer replaces them forever, and they have to get a shite job for next to nothing pay, whilst constantly being hampered by poor, overpriced, under maintained transport links and shoddy service
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    boggzyboggzy
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    Did you guys make the game in the end?

    Got To Lewisham about 12.50 and then missed the 180, ended up buying a jumper, having some food and going home again.

    Thank Christ!!!

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    TelMc32TelMc32
    randy andy said:

    But making it a nonworking day would cripple all the London stores with sales. Hundreds of millions are spent in London on boxing day. All those people at the shops have to work, and for far less than tube drivers. Why should they be a special case? Why should every business and every customer in London change for them? There are millions of shift workers in this country, many will have to work many public holidays and/or unsociable hours, most of them for less than tube drivers. So I ask again, why are they so special?

    They seem to believe themselves both hard done by and untouchable, the first isn't true and the second comes closer to not being true with each year that computer automation advances and therefore becomes cheaper.

    Andy...they seem to have managed for the last 3 years! Close the tube, the councils (Westminster, Camden etc) will have to work with the stores to make parking cheap/free, if it does apply today (not sure) remove the congestion charge.

    There are always alternatives and in the end that will be the death knell of the tube drivers. Brought on by their own greed. Or we can ALL just relax for a day and forget work & shopping, there's enough time in the rest of the year to shop mindlessly!!!
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    Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    edited December 2012
    boggzy said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    Did you guys make the game in the end?

    Got To Lewisham about 12.50 and then missed the 180, ended up buying a jumper, having some food and going home again.

    Thank Christ!!!

    Bit frustrating for you I'm sure, but not as frustrating as if you'd made the game. Fair play to you for trying though.
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    BIG_ROBBIG_ROB
    edited December 2012
    People in public service jobs shouldn't be allowed to strike, especially those who are on over 40k a year!
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    SolidgoneSolidgone
    I would have thought that they would have known when signing their contract/seeing that there were trains working on bank holidays that there would be a high probability that they would be required to work on Boxing day. It comes with the territory. I don't suppose they will refund my season ticket for yesterday's match?
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    Off_itOff_it
    Another step towards full automation, whereby none of the greedy fcukers will have a job. Well done the unions.

    Looking after members interests? Really?
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    TelMc32TelMc32
    BIG_ROB said:

    People in public service jobs shouldn't be allowed to strike, especially those who are on over 40k a year!

    Unfortunately Rob...everything's been privatised!!!
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    GoonerhaterGoonerhater
    Utilities --infastructure etc should never have been privitised and there should be no strike agreements---although complecated they can be done.
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    Robbo on the wingRobbo on the wing
    A lot of jealousy because they are a well organised unit.
    I bet those that are condoning them would love to be as organised, thereby getting what they consider a fair wage.
    After what we read about some peoples wages, you go into one over a train driver earning 45k?
    Good luck to them.
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    Off_itOff_it
    Jealousy? Behave.
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    randy andyrandy andy
    I don't think it's anything to do with jealousy.

    If, when they originally took the jobs, they didn't have to work boxing day, and then it was suddenly sprung on them, and not only that, but they were told they wouldn't earn extra for working it, then fair enough, under those circumstances a strike might just be justified.

    But that's not the situation, they took the job knowing full well that they might have to work boxing day (it depends on shift pattern, not all will have to work, and I doubt many have to work boxing day more than once every 3 years) and that they'd get paid extra for doing so. Now (and seemingly every year) the contract they willingly signed is somehow not only not good enough, but so grossly unfair that a strike is the only solution. If it wasn't for the union they would be sacked. Anybody else in any other line of work who threatened to break the terms of a contract they willingly entered into would have that contract torn up and be told where to go.

    I've had many jobs, and I've never had the luxury of dictating to my boss if and when I can be arsed to work. I've had to work all night on projects before now, going 36 hours without sleep. I'd have been well within my rights to walk out, but I wouldn't have expected the job to be there then next day.
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    ME14addickME14addick
    My husband works in the catering business and gets £7 per hour whether it is a bank holiday or not. Tube drivers don't know how lucky they are.
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    TelMc32TelMc32
    No jealousy Robbo. I consider myself an old-style Labour man and have always been a union man. I would like to see all workers as well paid as these guys, particularly those invovled in services who look after the wider public and who are not as ready to "down tools" because they knew what they were signing up for and have a conscious about the jobs they do.

    I also believe however that ASLEF/RMT have used up the goodwill of the public - and I believe also that this is crucial in any dispute where a particular role affects the public - in their tactics over many years. All power to them for highlighting saftey issues and bringing pressure to bear on the operating companies.

    I think they earn a very good wage though and they have a great deal in place over the next couple of years to raise their basic pay over the £52K mark and they get significant benefits on top of that.

    Fair play to them, but I don't support their current dispute.
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    Robbo on the wingRobbo on the wing
    In case you are unaware, LU/TLL are currently rolling out a major signalling upgrade program. This system is the same as that utilised on the DLR. It has already been successfully installed on the Victoria Line. The drivers know that time is running out and I believe that they are pushing for the best deal available now, before it is too late.
    And as for how lucky they are, you make your own luck in this world.
    Oh and btw, no I ain't a driver.
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    Off_itOff_it
    "You make your own luck in this world". Hilarious mate. Tell us another.
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    BIG_ROBBIG_ROB
    Not very socialist, preventing other "working class" people get to work!
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    ME14addickME14addick
    It's not that easy getting a job and has nothing to do with making your own luck. My husband was an engineer until being made redundant about 10 years ago. Since then he's only been able to get low paid jobs and now aged 58 it is even harder. He worked for 11 hours on Christmas Eve, will do the same today and tomorrow and again on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day for £7 per hour. People like the Tube drivers make me very angry - they don't know how lucky they are.
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    BIG_ROBBIG_ROB
    Its a very "pull the ladder up" mentality.
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    Robbo on the wingRobbo on the wing
    I was happily employed and had been for a number of years untill being made redundant.
    I was then forced into self employment.
    I worked bloody hard and when working alongside operatives who were PAYE, had to do all the shit jobs, in half the time.
    Now I feel that I have made a number of contacts in the industry who respect what I can bring to the table.
    So yes, I think you do make your own luck in this world.
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