England captaincy v Ireland.

Bournemouth Addick

Anyone else finding the way Hodgson has handled this all a bit disrepectful? Seems easy enough to me, if Cole only wants to be captain of his country if it's on his terms, then Lampard keeps the armband.

It should be one of any sportsmans greatest honours imo not something that gets chucked around to anyone that feels like having a go, or only if he gets to pick and chose which bits of the role he feels like doing.

ISawLeaburnScore

England's best player in the last 5 years or so. Deserves the honour.

Folev the red

Its very rare to get to 100 caps for your country though.
Compared to others who have got plenty of caps too, i bet nearly all of Cole's 100 have been starts.

ISawLeaburnScore

Folev the red said:

Its very rare to get to 100 caps for your country though.
Compared to others who have got plenty of caps too, i bet nearly all of Cole's 100 have been starts.

Spot on. Pretty sure I have read every single cap was a start.

Bournemouth Addick

I'm not saying he's not a good player or unworthy of his 100+ caps but it shows a lack of respect to say he'll be captain but only if he doesn't have to do this or that.

ValleyGary

What are his terms?

Callumcafc

I think he wanted to lead the team out but not take the armband.

Dizzle

Or do any media interviews about it

ISawLeaburnScore

He didn't want to do the press conference and fair enough in my book. He is a quiet guy and doesn't do many interviews he doesnt want to sit there and talk about how big his achievements are or how significant it is that he's overcome his off field silliness and how he's turned it around after being booed with the very journos that have stitched him up for years.

DA9

Ridiculous, he should not be able to dictate the terms of the captaincy, it does and should come with responsibilitys beyond leading the team out, that includes talking to the media and being the voice between the team and the fans. Bad mistake by Hodgson.
Fair play on getting 100 caps, but this is a farce.

cafctom

The England captain is first and foremost the leader of a Football team. If he can do that via his on-pitch displays, then that'll do for me.

He is a very shy person from what I've heard people say, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want to do the press conference. After the way the media have battered him for so many years, he doesn't owe them anything.

If you look at players in the Charlton team....The likes of Chris Solly would probably be captain material in years to come, purely for his efforts on the pitch. I couldn't see him actually being very forthcoming with interviews, conferences etc.

But then again, any reason for some to knock England.

JT

100 caps for your country & have had a serious piece of Cheryl Cole..

ValleyGary

cafctom said:

The England captain is first and foremost the leader of a Football team. If he can do that via his on-pitch displays, then that'll do for me.

He is a very shy person from what I've heard people say, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want to do the press conference. After the way the media have battered him for so many years, he doesn't owe them anything.

If you look at players in the Charlton team....The likes of Chris Solly would probably be captain material in years to come, purely for his efforts on the pitch. I couldn't see him actually being very forthcoming with interviews, conferences etc.

But then again, any reason for some to knock England.

100% Agree. Great post.

suzisausage

The media have battered him for non footballing reasons. Has he had much football related criticism ? I can't think of anything but might be wrong, as don't have much interest in our England team at the mo.

This is taking the attention away from the team at the moment.

Friend Or Defoe

He got blamed and booed (FFS...) for a goal at Wembley and also got criticised by arsenal fans for moving to Chelsea. Both are ridiculous, he's been England's best player for years and shouldn't have to do a press conference. If this was a long term things and not a one off for a friendly I would probably have a different opinion about the captaincy.

Greenster

suzisausage said:

The media have battered him for non footballing reasons. Has he had much football related criticism ? I can't think of anything but might be wrong, as don't have much interest in our England team at the mo.

This is taking the attention away from the team at the moment.

Yes, when he said Arsenal would only give him a £5k rise, so he went behind their backs & signed for Chelski !

BIG_ROB

Never liked Cole meself.....

ValleyGary

BIG_ROB said:

Never liked Cole meself.....

As a player??????

Curb_It

suzisausage said:

The media have battered him for non footballing reasons. Has he had much football related criticism ? I can't think of anything but might be wrong, as don't have much interest in our England team at the mo.

This is taking the attention away from the team at the moment.

He called the FA a bunch of twats on twitter last year I think which he got abused for.

suzisausage

ahhh sod him then. I've never liked him and forgot England were even playing.

Macronate

prefer Cheryl as a person & footballer.

BIG_ROB

Probably the best we got in that position, I wouldn't/couldn't argue with that. I don't like his attitude and his scowling towards officials which was born from his days at hard done by Goonershite. Not captain materials imo

redcarter

Greenster said:

suzisausage said:

The media have battered him for non footballing reasons. Has he had much football related criticism ? I can't think of anything but might be wrong, as don't have much interest in our England team at the mo.

This is taking the attention away from the team at the moment.

Yes, when he said Arsenal would only give him a £5k rise, so he went behind their backs & signed for Chelski !

Hasn't done bad since though.

Premier League: 2010 Champions League: 2012 FA Cup: 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012 League Cup: 2007 Europa League: 2013

Dave2l

He doesn't appear to be a leader type...just give it to lamps.

Bournemouth Addick

cafctom said:

The England captain is first and foremost the leader of a Football team. If he can do that via his on-pitch displays, then that'll do for me.

He is a very shy person from what I've heard people say, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want to do the press conference. After the way the media have battered him for so many years, he doesn't owe them anything.

If you look at players in the Charlton team....The likes of Chris Solly would probably be captain material in years to come, purely for his efforts on the pitch. I couldn't see him actually being very forthcoming with interviews, conferences etc.

But then again, any reason for some to knock England.

So you don't see players dictating what parts of the captains role they'll do as in anyway devaluing the honour then? I agree that on the pitch leadership comes first, that's a given. But as I understand it Lampard will be captain in all but name anyway and Cole has never been captain material at any time imo.

I understand you are younger than me and take an extremely supportive view of todays players in almost every case but you could try to understand that for many of us brought up with the likes of Moore, Keegan, Robson (and laterly Butcher and Adams) as captains it actually means something to us who leads our national team.

Those guys would run through walls for the job, Cole won't spend 30 mins with the press and Hodgson has handled it badly.

ValleyGary

Bournemouth Addick said:

cafctom said:

The England captain is first and foremost the leader of a Football team. If he can do that via his on-pitch displays, then that'll do for me.

He is a very shy person from what I've heard people say, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want to do the press conference. After the way the media have battered him for so many years, he doesn't owe them anything.

If you look at players in the Charlton team....The likes of Chris Solly would probably be captain material in years to come, purely for his efforts on the pitch. I couldn't see him actually being very forthcoming with interviews, conferences etc.

But then again, any reason for some to knock England.

So you don't see players dictating what parts of the captains role they'll do as in anyway devalueing the honour then? I agree that on the pitch leadership comes first, that's a given. But as I understand it Lampard will be captain in all but name anyway and Cole has never been captain material at any time imo.

I understand you are younger than me and take an extremely supportive view of todays players in almost every case but you could try to understand that for many of us brought up with the likes of Moore, Keegan, Robson (and laterly Butcher and Adams) as captains it actually means something to us who leads our national team.

Those guys would run through walls for the job, Cole won't spend 30 mins with the press and Hodgson has handled it badly.

'Moore, Keegan, Robson (and laterly Butcher and Adams)'

Cant see that any of these players would have had to handle the type of Media we have now though. Surely its a different type of relationship?

cafctom

Bournemouth Addick said:

cafctom said:

The England captain is first and foremost the leader of a Football team. If he can do that via his on-pitch displays, then that'll do for me.

He is a very shy person from what I've heard people say, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want to do the press conference. After the way the media have battered him for so many years, he doesn't owe them anything.

If you look at players in the Charlton team....The likes of Chris Solly would probably be captain material in years to come, purely for his efforts on the pitch. I couldn't see him actually being very forthcoming with interviews, conferences etc.

But then again, any reason for some to knock England.

So you don't see players dictating what parts of the captains role they'll do as in anyway devalueing the honour then? I agree that on the pitch leadership comes first, that's a given. But as I understand it Lampard will be captain in all but name anyway and Cole has never been captain material at any time imo.

I understand you are younger than me and take an extremely supportive view of todays players in almost every case but you could try to understand that for many of us brought up with the likes of Moore, Keegan, Robson (and laterly Butcher and Adams) as captains it actually means something to us who leads our national team.

Those guys would run through walls for the job, Cole won't spend 30 mins with the press and Hodgson has handled it badly.

I'm not aware what the source is that Cole has said he doesn't want to do the press conference, but I get the impression that some are interpreting it to be a case of him demanding the captaincy and saying "I want to be captain, on my terms". It just doesn't sound likely to me. What is a more likely scenario is Cole being asked by Hodgson to be the captain and him responding "Yes, I would love to do it...Its a chance I don't want to pass up - but here's what I'm really not keen on and here's why...."

Cole's been with the England set up for yonks and has a bit more respect than to go in 'calling the shots' like many want it to be.

Friend Or Defoe

Curb_It said:

suzisausage said:

The media have battered him for non footballing reasons. Has he had much football related criticism ? I can't think of anything but might be wrong, as don't have much interest in our England team at the mo.

This is taking the attention away from the team at the moment.

He called the FA a bunch of twats on twitter last year I think which he got abused for.

He should've got praised for it.

PL54

ISawLeaburnScore said:

He didn't want to do the press conference and fair enough in my book. He is a quiet guy and doesn't do many interviews he doesnt want to sit there and talk about how big his achievements are or how significant it is that he's overcome his off field silliness and how he's turned it around after being booed with the very journos that have stitched him up for years.

He's not that quiet when he's gobbing off about the FA on Twitter

ISawLeaburnScore

Most England members would shake his hand for calling the fa a bunch of twats. It is the truth. Out of touch self-praising money graabbing attention seeking high and mighty twats!

BIG_ROB

ISawLeaburnScore said:

Most England members would shake his hand for calling the fa a bunch of twats. It is the truth. Out of touch self-praising money graabbing attention seeking high and mighty twats!

Sounds a bit like Prem footballers that an all