I'm sure I've heard that in the tests MacGill played with Warner, MacGill had the better record. He was a great leggie, no doubt, but better than Kumble for example? or Qadir?
Kumble was more of a top-spin bowler than leggie, he rarely bowled leg breaks.
Qadir could be great but his overall record is not as good as MacGill, he took 236 wickets at 32.8 at an SR of 72 - and he played half his games on dusty turners in Pakistan.
MacGill DID out bowl Warne when they played together, word is that Warnie REALLY did not like that!
He had a major falling out when Steve Waugh dropped him for MacGill in the Windies in 1999 and they never really made up.
Good points. Can you think of anyone better than MacGill though? Chandrasekhar? Muzzy? Danish "twat" Kaneria?
No, Warne then MacGill in terms of leggies, with Murali in between as overall spinners.
stuart macgill... hugely underrated leg spinner, damned to be around the same age as shane warne. Much like the likes of Jack Russell were around at the time of Alec Stewart.
Cannot really see that Jack Russell was affected by Alec Stewart being around? Jack Russell was a wicketkepper, Alec Stewart was a batsmen who took on the role as keeper/batsman for England to bolster our batting and effectively was played as an all-rounder. Stewart kept more for England than he did for Surrey - Fact.
Russell suffered from being born too late when the art of the specialist keeper had become diminished, look at the situation today, Russell would never have even got a county contract if he started now.
The player who suffered from Stewarts presence was our own Steve Marsh who was an excellent keeper and a bloody good number 7 or 8 and good enough for England as a keeper/batsmen but not as good as bat as Stewart maybe, but then he never got the opportunity. Read his autobiography, he mentions it once or twice.....
MacGill was wicket number nine, Headley had McGrath caught at slip in the next over.
Have to pull you up here Ormi, Miller was the third wicket of the hat-trick and the 9th to fall overall. MacGill was the preceding wicket. (As seen in your clip above!)
But if England had had a better middle order batting and bowling line up, they would have been happy to keep Russell as the wicket keeper, as it's not as if he was a bad batsman, and Stewart's batting suffered with the extra workload and having to drop down the order (he was better as an opener against the new ball, than in the middle order against the spinners)
My impression of MacGill is that he was really dangerous in favourable conditions, whereas Warne was highly effective in all conditions. In some ways MacGill suffered because of Australia's seamers too, as if their pace bowling had been poor, then they would have made all of their home pitches spinner's paradises and played both in every Test. But as they had McGrath, Gillespie, Lee etc they didn't have to do this!
stuart macgill... hugely underrated leg spinner, damned to be around the same age as shane warne. Much like the likes of Jack Russell were around at the time of Alec Stewart.
Cannot really see that Jack Russell was affected by Alec Stewart being around? Jack Russell was a wicketkepper, Alec Stewart was a batsmen who took on the role as keeper/batsman for England to bolster our batting and effectively was played as an all-rounder. Stewart kept more for England than he did for Surrey - Fact.
Russell suffered from being born too late when the art of the specialist keeper had become diminished, look at the situation today, Russell would never have even got a county contract if he started now.
The player who suffered from Stewarts presence was our own Steve Marsh who was an excellent keeper and a bloody good number 7 or 8 and good enough for England as a keeper/batsmen but not as good as bat as Stewart maybe, but then he never got the opportunity. Read his autobiography, he mentions it once or twice.....
Stewart was quite tidy behind the stumps, and I thought the reason he didn't play as much behind the stumps for surrey was because they already had a senior keeper since Stewart was playing test matches half the time.
MacGill was wicket number nine, Headley had McGrath caught at slip in the next over.
Have to pull you up here Ormi, Miller was the third wicket of the hat-trick and the 9th to fall overall. MacGill was the preceding wicket. (As seen in your clip above!)
stuart macgill... hugely underrated leg spinner, damned to be around the same age as shane warne. Much like the likes of Jack Russell were around at the time of Alec Stewart.
Cannot really see that Jack Russell was affected by Alec Stewart being around? Jack Russell was a wicketkepper, Alec Stewart was a batsmen who took on the role as keeper/batsman for England to bolster our batting and effectively was played as an all-rounder. Stewart kept more for England than he did for Surrey - Fact.
Russell suffered from being born too late when the art of the specialist keeper had become diminished, look at the situation today, Russell would never have even got a county contract if he started now.
The player who suffered from Stewarts presence was our own Steve Marsh who was an excellent keeper and a bloody good number 7 or 8 and good enough for England as a keeper/batsmen but not as good as bat as Stewart maybe, but then he never got the opportunity. Read his autobiography, he mentions it once or twice.....
I think claiming Jack Russell would not have even got a County contract if he started now is a bit OTT!
The bloke was a superb keeper and scored two Test tons - against decent bowling - and averaged 27 - the same average as an all time great Ian Healy.
He was a limited batsman but had huge courage and his stand with Athers in Jo'Burg to save the game in 1995 was amazing.
He was not a strong one day batsman, that is true, so perhaps that is where you are coming from?
No where I'm coming from is if he started now with the batting ablity he had when he started in the 80's he would not even be considered because the game has changed so much in regard to wicketkeepers. Nothing against Russell, he worked very hard at his batting, but counties are not interested in specialist wicket keepers. You have to be a batsman first and if you can do a reasonable job behind the stumps all well and good. There are many better wicket keepers playing good quality club cricket than there are in the English first class game.
No where I'm coming from is if he started now with the batting ablity he had when he started in the 80's he would not even be considered because the game has changed so much in regard to wicketkeepers. Nothing against Russell, he worked very hard at his batting, but counties are not interested in specialist wicket keepers. You have to be a batsman first and if you can do a reasonable job behind the stumps all well and good. There are many better wicket keepers playing good quality club cricket than there are in the English first class game.
I'm just pointing out how the game has changed.
suppose you could call it gilchrist syndrome ...
who would be our Number 2 keeper on the tour of 0z ? Davies? Buttler? Kieswetter? I guess Foster would be the modern day Jack Russell example ...
personally think Haddin has had a pretty poor series as a keeper thusfar
In my opinion Foster and Read are streets ahead of Prior; and Foster in all departments, but Englnad do not select strictly on ability these days. The balance of the personality of the squad is very important to those in charge in the modern game and Prior ticks the boxes.
Sadly Foster didn't fit their requirements for various reasons. Some his own fault and some not.
Prior is a test batsman and is a decent keeper, wouldn't call foster or read a test batsman, especially not read.
Jack Russell is a hero, I remember a game Kent vs Gloucestershire (which turned out to be his final ever game i believe) and he made the swarm of us youngsters looking for his autograph to line up in an orderly queue. Legend.
No where I'm coming from is if he started now with the batting ablity he had when he started in the 80's he would not even be considered because the game has changed so much in regard to wicketkeepers. Nothing against Russell, he worked very hard at his batting, but counties are not interested in specialist wicket keepers. You have to be a batsman first and if you can do a reasonable job behind the stumps all well and good. There are many better wicket keepers playing good quality club cricket than there are in the English first class game.
I'm just pointing out how the game has changed.
suppose you could call it gilchrist syndrome ...
who would be our Number 2 keeper on the tour of 0z ? Davies? Buttler? Kieswetter? I guess Foster would be the modern day Jack Russell example ...
personally think Haddin has had a pretty poor series as a keeper thusfar
It's a bit like picking a goalkeeper for their brilliant attacking distribution, but accepting the fact they might drop the ball more often! It probably made no difference to the result, but the Root chance which Haddin didn't go for not only cost Australia lots of runs as Root made his big century, but also filled Root with confidence for the rest of the summer. Another failure for Root and there might have been pressure to bring in a different opener.
The extra bowling can't have helped Pattinson's back either.
No where I'm coming from is if he started now with the batting ablity he had when he started in the 80's he would not even be considered because the game has changed so much in regard to wicketkeepers. Nothing against Russell, he worked very hard at his batting, but counties are not interested in specialist wicket keepers. You have to be a batsman first and if you can do a reasonable job behind the stumps all well and good. There are many better wicket keepers playing good quality club cricket than there are in the English first class game.
I'm just pointing out how the game has changed.
who would be our Number 2 keeper on the tour of 0z ? Davies? Buttler? Kieswetter?
Prior is a test batsman and is a decent keeper, wouldn't call foster or read a test batsman, especially not read.
Jack Russell is a hero, I remember a game Kent vs Gloucestershire (which turned out to be his final ever game i believe) and he made the swarm of us youngsters looking for his autograph to line up in an orderly queue. Legend.
That's hilarious! Russell was a complete nutter, apparently he never wanted ANYBODY - even his own team mates to know where he lived.
He would take it to such extremes as to actually BLINDFOLD people who he drove to his house (including a team of builders once) and do the same on the way back so nobody ever knew where he lived.
That's hilarious! Russell was a complete nutter, apparently he never wanted ANYBODY - even his own team mates to know where he lived.
He used to drink about 20 cups of tea a day - so addicted was he to drinking tea that he'd carry a primus stove and kettle around with him in case he needed a cuppa when he was nowhere near a kitchen.
That's hilarious! Russell was a complete nutter, apparently he never wanted ANYBODY - even his own team mates to know where he lived.
He used to drink about 20 cups of tea a day - so addicted was he to drinking tea that he'd carry a primus stove and kettle around with him in case he needed a cuppa when he was nowhere near a kitchen.
I am sure there was a great story about his keeping gloves too, I think he wore the same pair throughout his entire career and they were held together by bit of sticky tape!
That's hilarious! Russell was a complete nutter, apparently he never wanted ANYBODY - even his own team mates to know where he lived.
He used to drink about 20 cups of tea a day - so addicted was he to drinking tea that he'd carry a primus stove and kettle around with him in case he needed a cuppa when he was nowhere near a kitchen.
I am sure there was a great story about his keeping gloves too, I think he wore the same pair throughout his entire career and they were held together by bit of sticky tape!
He wore the same sunhat throughout his career - once on tour he washed it and put it in the oven to dry and nearly set fire to the hotel.
That's hilarious! Russell was a complete nutter, apparently he never wanted ANYBODY - even his own team mates to know where he lived.
He used to drink about 20 cups of tea a day - so addicted was he to drinking tea that he'd carry a primus stove and kettle around with him in case he needed a cuppa when he was nowhere near a kitchen.
I am sure there was a great story about his keeping gloves too, I think he wore the same pair throughout his entire career and they were held together by bit of sticky tape!
He wore the same sunhat throughout his career - once on tour he washed it and put it in the oven to dry and nearly set fire to the hotel.
Yes, maybe it was the sunhat, I remember it was some horrible tatty, frayed thing.
Jack Russell copied a lot of Alan Knott's eccentricities. Knotty had some very strange superstitions but didn't feel the need to tell everyone about them.
Jack Russell copied a lot of Alan Knott's eccentricities. Knotty had some very strange superstitions but didn't feel the need to tell everyone about them.
To be fair most of the stuff circulating about Russell was passed on by his team mates, he never tried to market himself as an eccentric like that dickhead Billy "Look at Me" Bowden.
Billy Bowden is no longer an elite umpire. Aleem Dar barring the odd strange decision is probably the best umpire out there along with Marais Erasmus - although the latter clearly missed the seminar on how DRS works.
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Russell suffered from being born too late when the art of the specialist keeper had become diminished, look at the situation today, Russell would never have even got a county contract if he started now.
The player who suffered from Stewarts presence was our own Steve Marsh who was an excellent keeper and a bloody good number 7 or 8 and good enough for England as a keeper/batsmen but not as good as bat as Stewart maybe, but then he never got the opportunity. Read his autobiography, he mentions it once or twice.....
I'm such a pedant. :-)
My impression of MacGill is that he was really dangerous in favourable conditions, whereas Warne was highly effective in all conditions. In some ways MacGill suffered because of Australia's seamers too, as if their pace bowling had been poor, then they would have made all of their home pitches spinner's paradises and played both in every Test. But as they had McGrath, Gillespie, Lee etc they didn't have to do this!
The bloke was a superb keeper and scored two Test tons - against decent bowling - and averaged 27 - the same average as an all time great Ian Healy.
He was a limited batsman but had huge courage and his stand with Athers in Jo'Burg to save the game in 1995 was amazing.
He was not a strong one day batsman, that is true, so perhaps that is where you are coming from?
Nothing against Russell, he worked very hard at his batting, but counties are not interested in specialist wicket keepers. You have to be a batsman first and if you can do a reasonable job behind the stumps all well and good. There are many better wicket keepers playing good quality club cricket than there are in the English first class game.
I'm just pointing out how the game has changed.
who would be our Number 2 keeper on the tour of 0z ? Davies? Buttler? Kieswetter?
I guess Foster would be the modern day Jack Russell example ...
personally think Haddin has had a pretty poor series as a keeper thusfar
Sadly Foster didn't fit their requirements for various reasons. Some his own fault and some not.
Jack Russell is a hero, I remember a game Kent vs Gloucestershire (which turned out to be his final ever game i believe) and he made the swarm of us youngsters looking for his autograph to line up in an orderly queue. Legend.
The extra bowling can't have helped Pattinson's back either.
He would take it to such extremes as to actually BLINDFOLD people who he drove to his house (including a team of builders once) and do the same on the way back so nobody ever knew where he lived.
A true eccentric.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/CricketUnited/m.html
He used to drink about 20 cups of tea a day - so addicted was he to drinking tea that he'd carry a primus stove and kettle around with him in case he needed a cuppa when he was nowhere near a kitchen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Russell_(cricketer_and_artist)
....gotta love the fact that the bloke drove around in a sleeping bag!