I once parked next to the vellodrome (where they ride the bikes round in circles) in a car park cost a fiver, its next to the massive supermarket a spit from the ground! get there early to avvoid disappointment.
Thought this was very interesting - Kevin De Bruyne's new contract with city he negotiated himself, without an agent, and hired Analytics FC to put together a report showing his contribution to the teams and how he was actually underpaid! As a result has a new 385k a week contract, without having to pay some scumbag agent. I think Sterling is doing the same thing as he's negotiating a new contract without an agent as well.
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
Although this line "The 29-year-old midfielder agreed the £83m deal without using an agent, but was advised by Brussels-based legal firm Atfield and his management company Roc Nation" to say he didn't use an agent is bending the truth a bit.
Thought this was very interesting - Kevin De Bruyne's new contract with city he negotiated himself, without an agent, and hired Analytics FC to put together a report showing his contribution to the teams and how he was actually underpaid! As a result has a new 385k a week contract, without having to pay some scumbag agent. I think Sterling is doing the same thing as he's negotiating a new contract without an agent as well.
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
Couldn't see another thread for this - not sure if it's been covered elsewhere!
I can think of quite a few players who would much rather use an agent - better for a club to be persuaded by an agent and a 30 second promo video that you might bring something to the table than have it proven that you don't by an analyst.
Thought this was very interesting - Kevin De Bruyne's new contract with city he negotiated himself, without an agent, and hired Analytics FC to put together a report showing his contribution to the teams and how he was actually underpaid! As a result has a new 385k a week contract, without having to pay some scumbag agent. I think Sterling is doing the same thing as he's negotiating a new contract without an agent as well.
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
Couldn't see another thread for this - not sure if it's been covered elsewhere!
I can think of quite a few players who would much rather use an agent - better for a club to be persuaded by an agent and a 30 second promo video that you might bring something to the table than have it proven that you don't by an analyst.
I'm sure it wouldn't be for every player - don't think it would help Bogle for example - but for some of the bigger players who can prove that they are undervalued, you're not paying an agent to debate with the owners/manager, you're presenting them with cold, hard facts.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams started using analysts to prove that they are being paid fairly or overpaid even. Could be a double edged sword.
Thought this was very interesting - Kevin De Bruyne's new contract with city he negotiated himself, without an agent, and hired Analytics FC to put together a report showing his contribution to the teams and how he was actually underpaid! As a result has a new 385k a week contract, without having to pay some scumbag agent. I think Sterling is doing the same thing as he's negotiating a new contract without an agent as well.
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
Couldn't see another thread for this - not sure if it's been covered elsewhere!
I can think of quite a few players who would much rather use an agent - better for a club to be persuaded by an agent and a 30 second promo video that you might bring something to the table than have it proven that you don't by an analyst.
I'm sure it wouldn't be for every player - don't think it would help Bogle for example - but for some of the bigger players who can prove that they are undervalued, you're not paying an agent to debate with the owners/manager, you're presenting them with cold, hard facts.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams started using analysts to prove that they are being paid fairly or overpaid even. Could be a double edged sword.
Or maybe just some good old-fashioned Job Evaluation. Can just imagine the players' faces when some time and motion analyst turns up at the training ground!
Thought this was very interesting - Kevin De Bruyne's new contract with city he negotiated himself, without an agent, and hired Analytics FC to put together a report showing his contribution to the teams and how he was actually underpaid! As a result has a new 385k a week contract, without having to pay some scumbag agent. I think Sterling is doing the same thing as he's negotiating a new contract without an agent as well.
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
Couldn't see another thread for this - not sure if it's been covered elsewhere!
I can think of quite a few players who would much rather use an agent - better for a club to be persuaded by an agent and a 30 second promo video that you might bring something to the table than have it proven that you don't by an analyst.
I'm sure it wouldn't be for every player - don't think it would help Bogle for example - but for some of the bigger players who can prove that they are undervalued, you're not paying an agent to debate with the owners/manager, you're presenting them with cold, hard facts.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams started using analysts to prove that they are being paid fairly or overpaid even. Could be a double edged sword.
Please don't think this isn't already commonplace.
I remember reading somewhere and some years ago that as the PFA knows what every player is paid at every club there’s a good chance that it can negotiate a better deal for a player and that players should then only use agents for the endorsement deals etc. I think Scott Minto was one who didn’t use an agent. Probably an element of being seen to have an agent might enhance the perception of the player’s status
Player is on £100 a week and an agent says 'sign with me and I'll get you more'.
Players signs, agent gets him £110 a week but takes 10%, player now gets £99 a week.
Does make you wonder why someone like Haaland needs Raiola, everyone knows he's a good player and wants to sign him, why does Haaland need him adding £20m to the deal?
Aren't his arguments to get the wage he wants better for not having his agent on the equivalent of about £100k a week over the course of the contract on top? Be a lot cheaper to employ a good contract lawyer.
Especially if he moves next year under the release clause.
I can understand why players who aren't quite as in demand go for an agent, but the very best players must know their worth.
I remember hearing that Chris Powell never used an agent and negotiated everything himself and I wondered at the time why more footballers didn’t do that. Obviously I know CP was/is far more intelligent than the average footballer, but still.
Also I had no idea KDB had signed to Roc Nation. They must be diversifying.
Have often wondered why players at lower levels need an agent. If you're a championship player on 10k a week and you want 15k why do you need an agent? It can't be that hard to negotiate.
But at the very top level, i get why. Football these days is a huge business and is way beyond just agreeing your weekly wage. Image rights, sponsorship deals, tv ad deals etc. These days there's now even digital media deals on top of that. The Haaland transfer won't just be 'what will he earn per week', there will be a multitude of layers to his contract wherever he signs, something that the player simply isn't going to have the time to sit and negotiate.
Have often wondered why players at lower levels need an agent. If you're a championship player on 10k a week and you want 15k why do you need an agent? It can't be that hard to negotiate.
But at the very top level, i get why. Football these days is a huge business and is way beyond just agreeing your weekly wage. Image rights, sponsorship deals, tv ad deals etc. These days there's now even digital media deals on top of that. The Haaland transfer won't just be 'what will he earn per week', there will be a multitude of layers to his contract wherever he signs, something that the player simply isn't going to have the time to sit and negotiate.
Indeed but surely someone could negotiate that on his behalf without the need to include £20m odd to Raiola? He doesn't need an agent with connections drumming up interest, he literally needs someone to go into contract negotiations for a few days.
I understood that if you’re up to date with your subs to the players union, the PFA, they can help as an alternative to having an agent. Maybe that is the socialist alternative to the agent driven capitalist approach to new contracts.
Was listening to a podcast yesterday about 90s football and they said that Notts Forest agreed to terminate Andrew (don't call me Andy) Cole's contract after performance analytics showed he had done less running over a few games than their keeper Lee Camp!
Was listening to a podcast yesterday about 90s football and they said that Notts Forest agreed to terminate Andrew (don't call me Andy) Cole's contract after performance analytics showed he had done less running over a few games than their keeper Lee Camp!
I remember a game years ago between Madrid and Valencia, the OG Ronaldo had run less than Santiago Cañizares. Still think he scored a hat trick though
Was listening to a podcast yesterday about 90s football and they said that Notts Forest agreed to terminate Andrew (don't call me Andy) Cole's contract after performance analytics showed he had done less running over a few games than their keeper Lee Camp!
He was old then. And it certainly wasn’t in the 90s!
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Is that a Man City endorsed shop?
The local lads on the council estates may offer to mind your car for you for a fee & they always know your from London!!
Wonder how many other players will be doing the same to prove their worth, and how long it will be until teams use it against players to show they are perhaps over-paid.
https://trainingground.guru/articles/how-analytics-fc-helped-de-bruyne-negotiate-new-man-city-deal
Couldn't see another thread for this - not sure if it's been covered elsewhere!
Players signs, agent gets him £110 a week but takes 10%, player now gets £99 a week.
Although this line "The 29-year-old midfielder agreed the £83m deal without using an agent, but was advised by Brussels-based legal firm Atfield and his management company Roc Nation" to say he didn't use an agent is bending the truth a bit.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams started using analysts to prove that they are being paid fairly or overpaid even. Could be a double edged sword.
Wonder how de Bruyne would arrange moving to a new club though - Its not like he can approach clubs himself
Aren't his arguments to get the wage he wants better for not having his agent on the equivalent of about £100k a week over the course of the contract on top? Be a lot cheaper to employ a good contract lawyer.
Especially if he moves next year under the release clause.
I can understand why players who aren't quite as in demand go for an agent, but the very best players must know their worth.
Also I had no idea KDB had signed to Roc Nation. They must be diversifying.
But at the very top level, i get why. Football these days is a huge business and is way beyond just agreeing your weekly wage. Image rights, sponsorship deals, tv ad deals etc. These days there's now even digital media deals on top of that. The Haaland transfer won't just be 'what will he earn per week', there will be a multitude of layers to his contract wherever he signs, something that the player simply isn't going to have the time to sit and negotiate.
Maybe that is the socialist alternative to the agent driven capitalist approach to new contracts.