Tremlett spent force? Based on what? Whole summer has been to build him up for ashes.
Copied verbatim from cricinfo .. I could not have put it better myself .. definitely not !!
It is not hard to understand what the England selectors see in Chris Tremlett. Tall, broad and lean, Tremlett has many of the natural attributes of a top fast bowler and the record to match: before injury struck, his 11 Tests had brought 49 wickets at a cost of 26.75 a piece. Even Shane Warne, often reluctant to lavish praise on England, suggested Tremlett could become the best seamer in the world.
But Tremlett owes his latest recall as much to reputation and wishful thinking as he does to achievement. This season, since returning from back and knee surgery, he has claimed only 19 Championship wickets at an average of 36.93. To some extent those figures can be explained away by the type of pitches that he has played - low, slow and lifeless - but it cannot be ignored that he has been recalled for the Test on that same Oval square.
On the surface, Tremlett looks the same now. Just as broad, just as fit, just as strong and lean. He looks magnificent. He still has the pleasing high action too and, given some assistance, can still gain steep bounce. The England players report he has bowled impressively in the nets and the England selectors have never found anyone who could completely replace his formidable array of skills: the bounce, the control, the swing and the pace.
But there is a suspicion that, through no fault of his own, Tremlett is not quite the same bowler. All the evidence of this season - and the vision of him being slogged into the stands on T20 finals day on Saturday, in particular - suggests he has lost that bit of pace that separates the decent from the dangerous.
The thought remains that he is not quite capable of replicating the lift and bounce he once could. Tremlett has not always won selection for Surrey at The Oval this season. Reasoning that pace through the air would be more useful than bounce, Surrey have sometimes opted for Stuart Meaker and Jade Dernbach ahead of Tremlett not on a rotation basis, but on merit.
Tremlett, of course, is desperate to play. It was the dream of experiencing international cricket again that persuaded him into the painful and frustrating business of rehabilitation after his operations and the selectors still hope that, on Australian pitches, his height could prove a key asset
I'm a Surrey fan, and usually agree with Lincs about once every five years, but even I think Tremmers has lost a little pace. However, the Aussies are scared witless of him - he should travel down under as a fourth or fifth seamer
So cricket infos opinion rather than yours. In the 4 day game he has bowled well,and yes that's from me seeing him
no sport .. cricketinfo's and my opinions coincide .. and if you have been watching Surrey 4 day games I suggest you were asleep or wearing your rose tinted glasses when Tremmers was bowling .. nowadays he's definitely Tremmers and not tremors
If we are going to have these series then we must take them seriously and not use them for a breeding ground. We've been pretty pathetic. Pathetic selection, pathetic captain and the most pathetic coach ever. Good lord Giles always seems on the edge of tears. Morgan is not worth his place and the captaining on the field has been done by KP and Bopara. We've been a specialist bowler short throughout and dear old Treaders has been found out. We should go back to these being a warm up for the Test series, 3 games and pick our best team like Australia do.
I don't mind specialist players for 20/20 gams, but for a 50 over match I think you need your best/better players, especially opening. I haven't seen too much of this ODI series, but from what I have seen Peterson has been wasted going in as an opener and some of the players last night were just a joke (who was that black fella coming in at 9 ?)
I disagree with Riviera about Morgan - I thought he has been one of the better players, but the bowlers have just not been up to it. Why no Broad or Swann ?? both are decent lower order batsmen and are better bowlers than mr black man and Tredders respectively.
Also, the Aussies know how to target someone - Tredders got the treatment but every time we tried to do anything they brought on a different bowler who then seemed to pick up a wicket.
I don't mind specialist players for 20/20 gams, but for a 50 over match I think you need your best/better players, especially opening. I haven't seen too much of this ODI series, but from what I have seen Peterson has been wasted going in as an opener and some of the players last night were just a joke (who was that black fella coming in at 9 ?)
I disagree with Riviera about Morgan - I thought he has been one of the better players, but the bowlers have just not been up to it. Why no Broad or Swann ?? both are decent lower order batsmen and are better bowlers than mr black man and Tredders respectively.
"Mr black man" is Chris Jordan, who I thought performed really well, as it was his debut & I think he's 19.
The reason the "top" players aren't playing, is that we're off to Australia next month, for the start of Ashes Part 2.
Personally, I think this 50 over series with the dates as they were, meant you had to play the reserves and blood new players.
At least the test team will be a bit fresher, when they leave for Oz.
Root was the only player yesterday for England, who started the 1st Test in June.
Why no Broad or Swann ?? both are decent lower order batsmen and are better bowlers than mr black man and Tredders respectively.
Both have had injury problems and Swann in particular is going to be micro-managed from here on to ensure that England get another three/four years of Test cricket out of him. If that means he doesn't feature very often in ODI slog fests then so be it.
The next Test series starts in less than three months, what I want to see is England play their A team in that Test and not to have to leave a player or two out because he got injured in a meaningless ODI game the result of which will be forgotten by the weekend.
Mitchell Starc is the latest Australian bowler to get injured - a stress fracture, he along with Pattinson and Harris are all doubtful for the Brisbane Test. Meanwhile Anderson, Broad and Swann are being rested as are one or two batsmen. We'll see which team has the wiser approach to playing their best players in January.
But these are not meaningless ODI's. Not to the public and not to the counties. An ODI V Australia is a guaranteed sell out and the revenue forms an important part of the county hosting cash flow. Joe Public will hold back buying tickets until the squads are announced at this rate and the ever struggling counties will suffer. Play them in May.
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It is not hard to understand what the England selectors see in Chris Tremlett. Tall, broad and lean, Tremlett has many of the natural attributes of a top fast bowler and the record to match: before injury struck, his 11 Tests had brought 49 wickets at a cost of 26.75 a piece. Even Shane Warne, often reluctant to lavish praise on England, suggested Tremlett could become the best seamer in the world.
But Tremlett owes his latest recall as much to reputation and wishful thinking as he does to achievement. This season, since returning from back and knee surgery, he has claimed only 19 Championship wickets at an average of 36.93. To some extent those figures can be explained away by the type of pitches that he has played - low, slow and lifeless - but it cannot be ignored that he has been recalled for the Test on that same Oval square.
On the surface, Tremlett looks the same now. Just as broad, just as fit, just as strong and lean. He looks magnificent. He still has the pleasing high action too and, given some assistance, can still gain steep bounce. The England players report he has bowled impressively in the nets and the England selectors have never found anyone who could completely replace his formidable array of skills: the bounce, the control, the swing and the pace.
But there is a suspicion that, through no fault of his own, Tremlett is not quite the same bowler. All the evidence of this season - and the vision of him being slogged into the stands on T20 finals day on Saturday, in particular - suggests he has lost that bit of pace that separates the decent from the dangerous.
The thought remains that he is not quite capable of replicating the lift and bounce he once could. Tremlett has not always won selection for Surrey at The Oval this season. Reasoning that pace through the air would be more useful than bounce, Surrey have sometimes opted for Stuart Meaker and Jade Dernbach ahead of Tremlett not on a rotation basis, but on merit.
Tremlett, of course, is desperate to play. It was the dream of experiencing international cricket again that persuaded him into the painful and frustrating business of rehabilitation after his operations and the selectors still hope that, on Australian pitches, his height could prove a key asset
More than enough to judge him.
Answer that and then argue the toss as to whether or not he has lost that edge of pace.
What's the score ? Seems a big total to chase.
We've been pretty pathetic. Pathetic selection, pathetic captain and the most pathetic coach ever. Good lord Giles always seems on the edge of tears. Morgan is not worth his place and the captaining on the field has been done by KP and Bopara.
We've been a specialist bowler short throughout and dear old Treaders has been found out.
We should go back to these being a warm up for the Test series, 3 games and pick our best team like Australia do.
I disagree with Riviera about Morgan - I thought he has been one of the better players, but the bowlers have just not been up to it. Why no Broad or Swann ?? both are decent lower order batsmen and are better bowlers than mr black man and Tredders respectively.
The reason the "top" players aren't playing, is that we're off to Australia next month, for the start of Ashes Part 2.
Personally, I think this 50 over series with the dates as they were, meant you had to play the reserves and blood new players.
At least the test team will be a bit fresher, when they leave for Oz.
Root was the only player yesterday for England, who started the 1st Test in June.
NB Rankin looks the part.
Both have had injury problems and Swann in particular is going to be micro-managed from here on to ensure that England get another three/four years of Test cricket out of him. If that means he doesn't feature very often in ODI slog fests then so be it.
The next Test series starts in less than three months, what I want to see is England play their A team in that Test and not to have to leave a player or two out because he got injured in a meaningless ODI game the result of which will be forgotten by the weekend.
Mitchell Starc is the latest Australian bowler to get injured - a stress fracture, he along with Pattinson and Harris are all doubtful for the Brisbane Test. Meanwhile Anderson, Broad and Swann are being rested as are one or two batsmen. We'll see which team has the wiser approach to playing their best players in January.
Joe Public will hold back buying tickets until the squads are announced at this rate and the ever struggling counties will suffer.
Play them in May.